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Even though "good Christian" Trumpy was treated with Regeneron, which contains stem cells.
The bishop is really "helping" in the midst of a pandemic.
FRESNO, Calif. (KMPH) Bishop Joseph Brennan with the Diocese of Fresno is calling on Catholics to wait-- and not jump on the COVID-19 vaccine bandwagon.
"I don't want to rain on anyone's parade," Brennan said Wednesday. "But from my point of view, a Catholic point of view, some [vaccines] could be truly problematic on an ethical, moral level for a Catholic Christian."
Brennan says he has some real concerns over how the vaccines are being developed -- and tested-- and he's calling on people to do their research, too.
"I wont be able to take a vaccine, brothers and sisters, and I encourage you not to, if it was developed with material from stem cells from a baby that was aborted or material that was cast off from artificial insemination," he said.
https://kmph.com/news/local/fresno-diocese-bishop-says-not-so-fast-to-coronavirus-vaccine
roamer65
(36,747 posts)The planet is better off without them.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)roamer65
(36,747 posts)Arne
(2,091 posts)hlthe2b
(102,379 posts)handmade34
(22,758 posts)LaMouffette
(2,039 posts)the lives of fully formed, very much wanted humans who made it out of the womb.
They'll go to the mat to protect the unborn, but they won't wear a mask or take a vaccine to protect their fellow Americans. They believe life begins at conception, but their concern for the lives of others ends at birth.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)This asshole is just trying to kill people.
Ms. Toad
(34,099 posts)The cells used by most of the companies now trying to find a Covid-19 treatment, called the 293T line, were derived from the kidney tissue of a fetus aborted in the 1970s. A similar cell line, Per.C6, was obtained in 1985 from the retinal cells of an aborted 18-week-old fetus.
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One concern regarding the ethical assessment of viral vaccine candidates is the potential use of abortion-derived cell lines in the development, production or testing, David Prentice, vice president of the Charlotte Lozier Institute, wrote in September.
His analysis identified 13 vaccine candidates for the coronavirus that rely on fetal cell lines.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/08/health/trump-covid-fetal-tissue.html
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,099 posts)That's the way stem cells work - once you have a good line you can generate additional cells from it for research.
One reason they are from so long ago is because of the ban on the use of federal funding for any project that uses stem cells derived from embryonic tissue after Aug 9, 2001.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2744932/#:~:text=On%20August%209%2C%202001%2C%20U.S.,still%20be%20eligible%20for%20funding.
Put yourself in the position of an advocate for Henrietta Lack - it is the same situation, but her cells were taken from her and used similarly, without her consent or compensation.
Today, these incredible cells nicknamed "HeLa" cells, from the first two letters of her first and last names are used to study the effects of toxins, drugs, hormones and viruses on the growth of cancer cells without experimenting on humans. They have been used to test the effects of radiation and poisons, to study the human genome, to learn more about how viruses work, and played a crucial role in the development of the polio vaccine.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/henriettalacks/
Whatever position you take about how tenuous the connection is needs to be the same in both situations. If you believe it is unfair that she was not compensated for the work her cells did - attenuated at least as far from her original cells as the vaccine development is from the embryonic stem cells - then you have to acknolwedge the same connection to the aborted fetuses/pre-embryonic cells for in vitro fertilization.
It's perfectly consistent to believe that banning research on stem lines from aborted fetuses is nonsense, but the conection between those cells and the vaccines being developed is the same connection between Henrietta Lacks' cells and the medical developments that were derived from those cells decades after her death.
woodsprite
(11,927 posts)That's possible. We had that opportunity when our son was born.
Alhena
(3,030 posts)KWR65
(1,098 posts)maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)Is the Bishop going to warn him his soul is in danger of the Judgment?
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)being dragged out by the Secret Service.
lindysalsagal
(20,733 posts)Kiss my atheist butt, you asshat.