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H2O Man

(73,993 posts)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:09 PM Nov 2020

Flagging Upstate New York

"If I am what I have and I lose what I have , who then am I?" -- Erich Fromm

He stood, bent over the railing of his deck, in between his Trump flag and his X-mas light American flag. I could not see his face, of course, because of the distance between my property and the place he rents downhill from me. More, his head hung as if he had been disgraced in an athletic competition that he had entered overconfident of victory.

Despite the pleasant weather we know as "Caucasian Summer" in the northeast, last night marked the first time in weeks that his extended klan had not had a loud, drunken party on that deck, complete with contests of who could be the loudest in predicting Trump's re-election. Hang-overs, as I recall, are less pleasant when you have lost. And, as long as he remained motionless, I feel safe in assuming he was hung-over.

Being more likely to be reading Q-anon than Fromm, he may not be ready to take his Trump flag down. And that is okay, at least from my perspective. It serves as a reminder of exactly why I enjoy keeping to myself. I head back up to my house.

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Flagging Upstate New York (Original Post) H2O Man Nov 2020 OP
Beautifully written nt intrepidity Nov 2020 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2020 #4
I love Erich Fromm's work! SheltieLover Nov 2020 #2
Fromm is as valuable today H2O Man Nov 2020 #5
always liked the area Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #3
Woodstock. H2O Man Nov 2020 #7
I believe he was just getting started then Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #10
Things are good. H2O Man Nov 2020 #12
We're still in a lousy fight Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #15
As I read aloud to my husband, I pronounced Trump as Flump. By golly! I think I ARPad95 Nov 2020 #6
I like it! H2O Man Nov 2020 #8
I think I know what happened. My brain got a little ahead of my mouth and "Trump flag" turned into ARPad95 Nov 2020 #24
The Journey Is Not Yet Completed Me. Nov 2020 #9
Correct. H2O Man Nov 2020 #11
Beautifully done malaise Nov 2020 #13
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2020 #14
The massive amount of idiocy on display since 2016 has been staggering. BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #16
Yes. H2O Man Nov 2020 #18
I went to college in Potsdam ... oh, those North Country winters! fierywoman Nov 2020 #17
That's a good college! H2O Man Nov 2020 #19
OMG! Thank you for the first belly laugh of the morning! fierywoman Nov 2020 #21
Love this. 🇺🇸❤️ mountain grammy Nov 2020 #20
My cousin and I H2O Man Nov 2020 #25
To respond to a small part of your great post... birdographer Nov 2020 #22
The deprogram of the Trump cult H2O Man Nov 2020 #26
As happy as we are coeur_de_lion Nov 2020 #23
In my extended family, H2O Man Nov 2020 #27
It is curious coeur_de_lion Nov 2020 #28
Right. H2O Man Nov 2020 #29
If course you're right coeur_de_lion Nov 2020 #30
It's like looking H2O Man Nov 2020 #31
Thankfully there were enough of us coeur_de_lion Nov 2020 #32
Room Full of Mirrors ...... H2O Man Nov 2020 #33

H2O Man

(73,993 posts)
4. Thank you!
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:32 PM
Nov 2020

I only have to see these neighbors when I take the dog for a walk in that direction. We wave the few times when we see one another. I do not think they are aware that I can hear their voices at night when they are highly intoxicated and identify my sons and I as "enemies" because we are not republicans.

H2O Man

(73,993 posts)
5. Fromm is as valuable today
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:34 PM
Nov 2020

as he ever was. His books are among the most important in my library.

Thanks!

Clearly fogged in

(1,896 posts)
3. always liked the area
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:31 PM
Nov 2020

In fall of 23 I'll drive through Catskill up to Hunter, Woodstock another day. Last time there the acid rain killed the lakes. How are they?

H2O Man

(73,993 posts)
7. Woodstock.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:38 PM
Nov 2020

I haven't been there in years. I used to meet up with David Peel there. But I've been largely a hermit for the past two decades.

Most of the lakes around here seem to be doing pretty well. My younger son likes swimming across local lakes as part of his training. He also enjoys running 30 miles on the hilly backroads. Ah, to be young! I have some fading memories of when I was his age!

Clearly fogged in

(1,896 posts)
10. I believe he was just getting started then
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:44 PM
Nov 2020

I think we were talking about Tyson training in tannersville at hurricane Carter's camp. How is everything?

H2O Man

(73,993 posts)
12. Things are good.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 02:06 PM
Nov 2020

My boy was disappointed the the finals of the NYS Golden Gloves were called off due to the virus. He's trained almost every day since then .... in fact, he is training right now, in one of the rooms he has turned into his gym in my house. If the virus allows for amateur boxing to start up again in time for the 2021 Gloves, he'll head the best team I've had since the mid-1970s. It's a small team, but every fighter I've brought has placed at least second over the decades.

Yeah, there were some outstanding camps and gyms back in the day! We used to be able to go to at least four between Binghamton and Oneonta to get sparring that was as high in quality as most fights. From north of Albany to Catskill was good, too. Bob Miller, who actually promoted Tyson's early pro fights (though his wife's name was used), kept the sport alive for years, including when two of his sons were solid regional fighters. And there was a good gym in a small town on Route 17, where a number of NYC fighters would come for sparring. But these days, Syracuse is the closest good gym, and work schedules make it hard to get there frequently.

Clearly fogged in

(1,896 posts)
15. We're still in a lousy fight
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 02:29 PM
Nov 2020

It sounds like things are good. No one needed the last four years and I wasn't sure we weren't out. My vision is a little bad, what round?

ARPad95

(1,671 posts)
6. As I read aloud to my husband, I pronounced Trump as Flump. By golly! I think I
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:36 PM
Nov 2020

inadvertently coined a new nickname for the LOSER! Fl as in FLOP.

ARPad95

(1,671 posts)
24. I think I know what happened. My brain got a little ahead of my mouth and "Trump flag" turned into
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 08:40 PM
Nov 2020

"Flump..."

H2O Man

(73,993 posts)
11. Correct.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:54 PM
Nov 2020

We are entering a new phase of the struggle. But we are uphill, and the opposition is heading downhill.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,609 posts)
16. The massive amount of idiocy on display since 2016 has been staggering.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 02:53 PM
Nov 2020

It's been with us forever, of course, but the depth and breadth of it has been monumental since then.

H2O Man

(73,993 posts)
18. Yes.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 03:08 PM
Nov 2020

Trump helped bring them out from under their rocks, and issued them license to be aggressively ignorant. My 90-year old aunt says that upstate New York morphed into Mississippi since 2016. While some of them will fade away, I think that we have our work cut out for us in the future.

H2O Man

(73,993 posts)
19. That's a good college!
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 03:12 PM
Nov 2020

A decade or so ago, one of my nieces from CA came here to attend Syracuse U. Now, winters are more brutal at Potsdam, but certainly Syracuse experiences very cold weather with plenty of snow. I asked her if she came prepared for that, and she said yes, she had brought a sweater. Yikes!

H2O Man

(73,993 posts)
25. My cousin and I
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:35 AM
Nov 2020

talk every day. Some of the people on his road had numerous Trump signs up. He is keeping track of how many have been taken down daily. A good sign was when a couple neighbors took their signs down before Tuesday.

After I finish my coffee, and feed the cats and birds, I'll venture down to the section of my property where I can see if the people across the highway are still flying their's.

birdographer

(1,443 posts)
22. To respond to a small part of your great post...
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 03:27 PM
Nov 2020

I have been wondering how long these trumpers will keep their signs and flags up. We think they will be up until they rot from the weather. They will always support him, even when he is in prison. And should he keel over, he will be god-like to them.

Love your post, particularly the perfect quote at the top.

H2O Man

(73,993 posts)
26. The deprogram of the Trump cult
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:42 AM
Nov 2020

will be a slow process. There are numerous overlapping levels of cult members. That will require more time and effort at different levels. Sad to say some Americans will be like those few members of the Manson cult who keep the faith -- because it is all that they have to add meaning to their lives.

I suppose I date myself by quoting Fromm -- something I tend to do frequently. The guy was genius.

coeur_de_lion

(3,703 posts)
23. As happy as we are
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 08:36 PM
Nov 2020

The deplorables are completely miserable.

Some of the deplorables are my siblings and cousins. I’m torn between wanting to poke them and chide them for supporting 45 — tell them to wake the hell up, their criminal president is soon to be history. The part of me that still loves them wants to comfort them once I have beat them senseless.

My sane sisters are attending the inauguration together. Sister 1 is retired because of the virus and sister 2 works in DC at the DOJ. I am so tickled that they are going together.

6 kids in our family and only 3 of us are sane enough to be happy right now.

Be glad you’re not on speaking terms with your 45 flag waving neighbor. Something tells me you two would not get on at all.

H2O Man

(73,993 posts)
27. In my extended family,
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:52 AM
Nov 2020

from Ireland to CA, only two individuals were Trump supporters. One of them accepts that Biden won fair & square. That leaves one who thinks that the election was stolen. Yikes!

It's a curious thing -- at least in my opinion -- that this election has brought both the best and worst of America to the surface.

coeur_de_lion

(3,703 posts)
28. It is curious
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 01:05 PM
Nov 2020

It’s as if 45 is another Hitler and 70 million people can’t see it. This phenomenon will be studied for years to come.

H2O Man

(73,993 posts)
29. Right.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 01:39 PM
Nov 2020

In my opinion, a large % of them are unaware of that reality. But I think an equally large number were aware of this, and supported the Trump program's attacks on the democratic foundations of our society.

H2O Man

(73,993 posts)
31. It's like looking
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 03:48 PM
Nov 2020

into a mirror .... everything is at an equal distance within as without. That's something I learned over the years when I was public in social activism -- just as many people hated me as loved me, disliked me as liked me.

coeur_de_lion

(3,703 posts)
32. Thankfully there were enough of us
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 04:59 PM
Nov 2020

who know how awful 45 is for the country.

We overcame the others on the opposite side of the mirror.

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