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Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:18 PM

Please do NOT pay any attention to these F**king polls.

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I will always believe that to some degree Hillary Clinton's "loss" in 2016 was due to just enough people in just enough places thinking that she had it in the bag and so decided that their vote simply wasn't needed.

I'm 65 years old and my first vote for president was in 1976 when I was 21. Ever since I was old enough to vote in 1973 the only year I didn't vote was in 1978 when I was going to grad school in Ohio and received my absentee ballot from Pennsylvania two days after the election.

As far as presidential elections go I've voted in some landslides, 10%+ margin (1980, 1984), some with comfortable margins of 4 to 9.9% (1988, 1992, 1996, 2004, 2008, 2012) and some close ones with under 4% margins (1976, 2000, 2016). The widest % margin in my life was LBJ's 61.1 vote in 1964. I would be fairly certain even LBJ would've said that he needed every single one of those votes.

We do NOT need a Democratic Tom Dewey in 2020 because Dolt45 desperately needs and deserves repudiation, and the only way that we can insure that it will happen is if WE get off of our crusty asses (and I have a BIG ass) and make it happen. This election will not be over until the votes are counted and, to paraphrase President Ford, our long national nightmare ends at Noon on 1/20/21.

My wife and I voted on 10/9. I'm taking our son up to cast his first vote tomorrow so we know that Biden/Harris will have at least 3 votes in Maine.

So, have you voted or do you have a plan to vote? If not, than please do. This election is just too damned important.

That's my 2 cents, and quite possibly over priced at that. Thank you for reading and please VOTE!

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Reply Please do NOT pay any attention to these F**king polls. (Original post)
MarianJack Oct 20 OP
Dem2 Oct 20 #1
Eliot Rosewater Oct 20 #2
Claustrum Oct 20 #3
MarianJack Oct 20 #6
dansolo Oct 21 #33
FakeNoose Oct 21 #38
Willto Oct 21 #35
WheelWalker Oct 20 #4
MarianJack Oct 20 #18
Tribetime Oct 20 #5
MarianJack Oct 20 #7
Tribetime Oct 20 #8
MustLoveBeagles Oct 20 #9
MarianJack Oct 20 #10
MustLoveBeagles Oct 20 #12
SMC22307 Oct 20 #11
MarianJack Oct 20 #14
SMC22307 Oct 20 #19
MarianJack Oct 20 #20
Hoyt Oct 20 #13
MarianJack Oct 20 #16
Silent3 Oct 21 #32
Hoyt Oct 21 #36
Silent3 Oct 21 #37
dchill Oct 20 #15
MarianJack Oct 20 #17
Polybius Oct 20 #21
MarianJack Oct 20 #22
BannonsLiver Oct 20 #23
MarianJack Oct 20 #24
BannonsLiver Oct 20 #25
MarianJack Oct 21 #26
BannonsLiver Oct 21 #27
MarianJack Oct 21 #47
BannonsLiver Oct 21 #48
Awsi Dooger Oct 21 #28
BannonsLiver Oct 21 #29
Silent3 Oct 21 #30
Willto Oct 21 #31
raccoon Oct 21 #34
Vivienne235729 Oct 21 #39
DavidDvorkin Oct 21 #40
DrToast Oct 21 #42
DrToast Oct 21 #41
MarianJack Oct 21 #43
Act_of_Reparation Oct 21 #44
DrToast Oct 21 #45
MarianJack Oct 21 #46
Act_of_Reparation Oct 21 #51
MarianJack Oct 21 #52
BannonsLiver Oct 21 #49
MarianJack Oct 21 #50

Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:19 PM

1. Not even going to read a post with that headline!

Was this supposed to help with my anxiety?

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:20 PM

2. You are correct of course,

You are correct of course, people need to remember in every election the Democrat has to win by five points more than the Republican because that is the average amount of votes that are prevented stolen suppressed etc.

For any Democrat to win in any election they have to win considerably more

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:20 PM

3. I kind of agree with you. But the confidence in Hillary's win isn't entirely from the polls.

It is just the general disbelieve that Trump is anywhere near electable. It wasn't because of the polls. It was simply because of the joke of the idea of a Trump presidency. You can time travel back to 2015 and tell me you know Trump is going to win as a fact. And I would have laughed at your face and call you crazy.

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Response to Claustrum (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:23 PM

6. True, I thought Michael Moore was nuts when he made his prediction.

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 05:23 AM

33. He was right, but for the wrong reasons

Overt mysogyny and leftover racism from Obama's presidency was the key to Trump's success.

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Response to dansolo (Reply #33)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 09:12 AM

38. I live in a totally blue area

... City of Pittsburgh in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. We did turn out for Hillary in 2016 but our numbers weren't high enough to overcome the racism and misogyny in other parts of PA.

We were sad to see that the black voters in Pittsburgh (for whatever reason) did not support Hillary in the same way they supported Obama in 2008 and 2012. It was disheartening, and it was enough to turn the state over to Chump. I'm not saying it was just the black voters, other groups were also to blame including white suburban women, etc.

As proud as I was to vote for Hillary Clinton, I'll never understand how those misguided people chose Chump over her. Some Dems stayed home and didn't vote at all, rather than vote for her. If only ... if only ... IF ONLY!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 05:59 AM

35. Well

Don't give Moore too much credit. When you always predict the same thing eventually you will be right. A broke clock is right twice a day.

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:20 PM

4. Damn fucking straight!

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Response to WheelWalker (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:02 PM

18. Thanx!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:22 PM

5. I thought 2004 was closer than 4 %

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Response to Tribetime (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:25 PM

7. Could be, my memory isn't perfect.

Pretty damn good, but not perfect

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:30 PM

8. You are not the only one😊

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:44 PM

9. Voter complacency was only one of many things that contributed to Hillary's "loss"

Most of those factors were beyond her control and not her fault. Joe's consistently good numbers against Typhoid Donnie make me hopeful that things will turn out differently. That said, polls are simply as snapshot in time and shouldn't be used as an excuse not to vote. I voted September 27th and dropped my ballot in an official drop box the next day.

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Response to MustLoveBeagles (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:47 PM

10. Yes, one of many factors.

Where did you vote?

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:51 PM

12. Illinois

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:50 PM

11. Thank you. I never read those threads. Ignore the polls and vote!

Beating Trump is good, but absolutely CRUSHING him is better.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #11)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:55 PM

14. Yes.

Are you from Pittsburgh? In the 70 when the Steelers were so dominant and the Eagles were crap I pulled for the Steelers a lot.

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:10 PM

19. Near Pittsburgh but lived just outside DC at that time...

and, wow, did we have fun when the Steelers were dominating (especially with the Dallas fans down the street!). Very fond childhood memory.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #19)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:50 PM

20. As we said in the 60s,...

...and I was there saying it (yikes), GROOVY!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:51 PM

13. I agree. Complacency is one of several problems that cost us 2016.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:58 PM

16. Complacency among Democrats, but IMHO...

...not on Hillary's part.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 04:54 AM

32. Even if complacency was a factor in 2016...

...it wasnít complacency among anyone on DU! No one HERE who bothers to spend time on a political forum like this is going to sit out an election, not if they feel assured of victory, not if they feel doomed to failure, and not for anything in between.

Iíll track the polls all I want to, thank you very much.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #32)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 08:47 AM

36. Well, love DU but not many voters are political junkies like us. I can tell you for sure, there were

a number of DUers who voted for trump, left it blank, or went 3rd Party because they were ticked off their guy didn't get the nomination. Ever heard of the Jackpine Radicals?

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #36)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 08:59 AM

37. Oh, I remember those idiots

And they're probably still voting Green or Libertarian or writing in Ralph Nader or their hamster this election.

I don't think they voted the way they did in 2016 out of complacency, because they read polls, or they didn't read polls. They were just being self-righteous assholes and "burn it all down!" fools.

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 08:56 PM

15. Also, if you haven't already voted...

WHY THE HELL NOT! HE'S TRYING TO KILL YOU. HE'S DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY!
DO IT NOW!

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Response to dchill (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:00 PM

17. ASAP

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:58 PM

21. You voted in 1890?

And I thought I was old!

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Response to Polybius (Reply #21)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 10:13 PM

22. OOOPs.

I missed that little boo boo!

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 10:21 PM

23. Sorry but data and polling is a valid part of political science

Iím going to be following the polling right until the end. Iíve already voted and can walk and chew gum at the same time anyway.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #23)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 10:26 PM

24. And so you know that nobody will be complacent because you aren't?

Amazing.

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #24)

Tue Oct 20, 2020, 10:29 PM

25. Straw man alert. Never said that.

Hereís an idea: You do you, and stop trying to tell other people what to do.

If you canít handle the polling. If it upsets you. If it makes you feel complacent, donít read the polls and keep on scrolling. Not that complicated.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #25)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 03:53 AM

26. The point of my post was to not be complacent.

I said nothing that would imply complacency on my part. the point of the post was to be a cautionary tale.

Reading with comprehension is a wonderful concept. You should try it sometime, especially before you say BS about someone else's posts. In the meanwhile, please feel free to piss off.

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #26)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 04:23 AM

27. So you don't think people who are interested in polls can also follow through and vote?

Thatís pretty silly. Most thinking adults can look at polls, process them and then follow up and vote. They can also inform their friends and family of the state of the race, and why itís important to vote.

Burying ones head in the sand can also be counterproductive.

An understanding of human nature and politics is a wonderful concept. You should try it sometime.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #27)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 12:04 PM

47. Christ on a crutch.

Before I retired I dealt with human nature for a living and the first political campaign I volunteered in was Bobby Kennedy's in 1968 shortly before my 13th birthday.

Cautionary tale, dude.

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #47)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 12:19 PM

48. All evidence to the contrary



Sorry, not a big fan of, or impressed with, people who encourage voters to be ACTIVELY UNINFORMED during an election as you have done in your OP. And that IS what you are doing.

Good luck with the head in the sand movement. I think itís got a great chance to really take off.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #25)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 04:33 AM

28. "Here's an idea: You do you, and stop trying to tell other people what to do"

 

Fantastically ironic advice

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Response to Awsi Dooger (Reply #28)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 04:43 AM

29. You might be right

I sometimes chuckle when I read the posts of pseudo campaign experts, reliving their glory days from long ago. As if they have some special insight or know something the Biden campaign doesnít. Though I guess thatís more in the realm of amusement and pity than irony.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #23)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 04:46 AM

30. +1 n/t

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 04:53 AM

31. I Think

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Posts like the OP are of little use here. For starters the people who visit DU every day are obviously people like myself that are very interested in politics and fired up to get Caligula out of the White House before he destroys our country. Does anyone seriously think that anybody here is going to become so complacent over a poll that they don't bother to vote? That because things are looking kind of good we are going to slack off doing everything in our individual power to see this through? Really?

I think any possibility of anyone not taking the threat of Trump seriously or thinking he had no chance to win went out the window back in 2016. Of course we need to stay vigilant. But I believe malignant pessimism hurts us worse than a little exuberant optimism. People who believe they can win stay involved and try to.

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 05:54 AM

34. Since 2016, I don't. Nt

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 09:56 AM

39. Oh hell yea I have had a plan to vote. And I did. This year, as SOON as I received my ballot

I filled it out. My mother did the same that night. The next day we went down the the county recorder's office to drop off our ballots. I have done this before and usually I am the only person there. This year, there was a steady stream of people coming and going to drop off their ballots too. In the 3 min I was there, I saw atleast 15-20 people.

The country recorder's office have come out and confirmed that our early voting is off the charts just like the rest of the country.

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 10:07 AM

40. I doubt if anyone on DU will skip voting because of the polls.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #40)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 10:09 AM

42. If I already voted can I pay attention to them?

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Response to MarianJack (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 10:09 AM

41. I'm gonna pay extra attention to them today just for you

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Response to DrToast (Reply #41)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 11:46 AM

43. The point of my post was to not skip voting because you think that one candidate has it in the bag.

Or, possibly because you know your candidate will lose. For example, in 1984 I knew (as did the whole country) that Fritz Mondale had ZERO at best chance of winning that election but I made damn sure to get my ass to the booth...and I have a BIG ass...yikes).

Voting matters 100% of the time. Especially when the incumbent is such a piece of excrement with legs that he almost makes Dubya look like an elder statesman.

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #43)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 11:48 AM

44. Do you honestly think anyone here is going to skip this election?

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #44)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 11:57 AM

45. +1

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #44)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 11:57 AM

46. Jesus.

Of course not. Have you ever heard of a concept of a cautionary tale?

Have you ever said goodbye to a friend or relative by telling them to drive carefully when you know goddamned that they will or wish them good luck before a game?

Apparently a lot of people who've read this post haven't and it's starting o get tiresome.

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #46)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:29 PM

51. No, I have not.

I am obviously stupid. Really, it's amazing I am able to dress myself most mornings.

Maybe ruminate a bit on why people who don't need your cautioning might not be so receptive to a cautionary tale, eh?

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #51)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:46 PM

52. I have an idea.

If you don't like a post, stop contributing to it.

WOW, what a concept.Did you ever hear of the guy who kept hitting himself in the head with a sledge hammer because it felt so good when he stopped?

Fortunately, DU gives us a tool to make pinheads go away. AMF!

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Response to DrToast (Reply #41)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 12:21 PM

49. +1



Seriously here is the OPís argument in a nutshell: ďDonít inform yourself. Be ignorant. Youíll vote harder.Ē

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #49)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:20 PM

50. That is a true crock of crap.

It certainly is my good fortune that .we can make pinheads go away. AMF!

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