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MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:18 PM Oct 2020

Please do NOT pay any attention to these F**king polls.

Last edited Tue Oct 20, 2020, 11:15 PM - Edit history (1)

I will always believe that to some degree Hillary Clinton's "loss" in 2016 was due to just enough people in just enough places thinking that she had it in the bag and so decided that their vote simply wasn't needed.

I'm 65 years old and my first vote for president was in 1976 when I was 21. Ever since I was old enough to vote in 1973 the only year I didn't vote was in 1978 when I was going to grad school in Ohio and received my absentee ballot from Pennsylvania two days after the election.

As far as presidential elections go I've voted in some landslides, 10%+ margin (1980, 1984), some with comfortable margins of 4 to 9.9% (1988, 1992, 1996, 2004, 2008, 2012) and some close ones with under 4% margins (1976, 2000, 2016). The widest % margin in my life was LBJ's 61.1 vote in 1964. I would be fairly certain even LBJ would've said that he needed every single one of those votes.

We do NOT need a Democratic Tom Dewey in 2020 because Dolt45 desperately needs and deserves repudiation, and the only way that we can insure that it will happen is if WE get off of our crusty asses (and I have a BIG ass) and make it happen. This election will not be over until the votes are counted and, to paraphrase President Ford, our long national nightmare ends at Noon on 1/20/21.

My wife and I voted on 10/9. I'm taking our son up to cast his first vote tomorrow so we know that Biden/Harris will have at least 3 votes in Maine.

So, have you voted or do you have a plan to vote? If not, than please do. This election is just too damned important.

That's my 2 cents, and quite possibly over priced at that. Thank you for reading and please VOTE!

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Please do NOT pay any attention to these F**king polls. (Original Post) MarianJack Oct 2020 OP
Not even going to read a post with that headline! Dem2 Oct 2020 #1
You are correct of course, Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #2
I kind of agree with you. But the confidence in Hillary's win isn't entirely from the polls. Claustrum Oct 2020 #3
True, I thought Michael Moore was nuts when he made his prediction. MarianJack Oct 2020 #6
He was right, but for the wrong reasons dansolo Oct 2020 #33
I live in a totally blue area FakeNoose Oct 2020 #38
Well Willto Oct 2020 #35
Damn fucking straight! WheelWalker Oct 2020 #4
Thanx! MarianJack Oct 2020 #18
I thought 2004 was closer than 4 % Tribetime Oct 2020 #5
Could be, my memory isn't perfect. MarianJack Oct 2020 #7
You are not the only one😊 Tribetime Oct 2020 #8
Voter complacency was only one of many things that contributed to Hillary's "loss" MustLoveBeagles Oct 2020 #9
Yes, one of many factors. MarianJack Oct 2020 #10
Illinois MustLoveBeagles Oct 2020 #12
Thank you. I never read those threads. Ignore the polls and vote! SMC22307 Oct 2020 #11
Yes. MarianJack Oct 2020 #14
Near Pittsburgh but lived just outside DC at that time... SMC22307 Oct 2020 #19
As we said in the 60s,... MarianJack Oct 2020 #20
I agree. Complacency is one of several problems that cost us 2016. Hoyt Oct 2020 #13
Complacency among Democrats, but IMHO... MarianJack Oct 2020 #16
Even if complacency was a factor in 2016... Silent3 Oct 2020 #32
Well, love DU but not many voters are political junkies like us. I can tell you for sure, there were Hoyt Oct 2020 #36
Oh, I remember those idiots Silent3 Oct 2020 #37
Also, if you haven't already voted... dchill Oct 2020 #15
ASAP MarianJack Oct 2020 #17
You voted in 1890? Polybius Oct 2020 #21
OOOPs. MarianJack Oct 2020 #22
Sorry but data and polling is a valid part of political science BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #23
And so you know that nobody will be complacent because you aren't? MarianJack Oct 2020 #24
Straw man alert. Never said that. BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #25
The point of my post was to not be complacent. MarianJack Oct 2020 #26
So you don't think people who are interested in polls can also follow through and vote? BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #27
Christ on a crutch. MarianJack Oct 2020 #47
All evidence to the contrary BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #48
"Here's an idea: You do you, and stop trying to tell other people what to do" Awsi Dooger Oct 2020 #28
You might be right BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #29
+1 n/t Silent3 Oct 2020 #30
I Think Willto Oct 2020 #31
Since 2016, I don't. Nt raccoon Oct 2020 #34
Oh hell yea I have had a plan to vote. And I did. This year, as SOON as I received my ballot Vivienne235729 Oct 2020 #39
I doubt if anyone on DU will skip voting because of the polls. DavidDvorkin Oct 2020 #40
If I already voted can I pay attention to them? DrToast Oct 2020 #42
I'm gonna pay extra attention to them today just for you DrToast Oct 2020 #41
The point of my post was to not skip voting because you think that one candidate has it in the bag. MarianJack Oct 2020 #43
Do you honestly think anyone here is going to skip this election? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2020 #44
+1 DrToast Oct 2020 #45
Jesus. MarianJack Oct 2020 #46
No, I have not. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2020 #51
I have an idea. MarianJack Oct 2020 #52
+1 BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #49
That is a true crock of crap. MarianJack Oct 2020 #50

Eliot Rosewater

(31,268 posts)
2. You are correct of course,
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:20 PM
Oct 2020

You are correct of course, people need to remember in every election the Democrat has to win by five points more than the Republican because that is the average amount of votes that are prevented stolen suppressed etc.

For any Democrat to win in any election they have to win considerably more

Claustrum

(4,855 posts)
3. I kind of agree with you. But the confidence in Hillary's win isn't entirely from the polls.
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:20 PM
Oct 2020

It is just the general disbelieve that Trump is anywhere near electable. It wasn't because of the polls. It was simply because of the joke of the idea of a Trump presidency. You can time travel back to 2015 and tell me you know Trump is going to win as a fact. And I would have laughed at your face and call you crazy.

dansolo

(5,376 posts)
33. He was right, but for the wrong reasons
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:23 AM
Oct 2020

Overt mysogyny and leftover racism from Obama's presidency was the key to Trump's success.

FakeNoose

(33,584 posts)
38. I live in a totally blue area
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 10:12 AM
Oct 2020

... City of Pittsburgh in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. We did turn out for Hillary in 2016 but our numbers weren't high enough to overcome the racism and misogyny in other parts of PA.

We were sad to see that the black voters in Pittsburgh (for whatever reason) did not support Hillary in the same way they supported Obama in 2008 and 2012. It was disheartening, and it was enough to turn the state over to Chump. I'm not saying it was just the black voters, other groups were also to blame including white suburban women, etc.

As proud as I was to vote for Hillary Clinton, I'll never understand how those misguided people chose Chump over her. Some Dems stayed home and didn't vote at all, rather than vote for her. If only ... if only ... IF ONLY!

Willto

(292 posts)
35. Well
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:59 AM
Oct 2020

Don't give Moore too much credit. When you always predict the same thing eventually you will be right. A broke clock is right twice a day.

MustLoveBeagles

(11,785 posts)
9. Voter complacency was only one of many things that contributed to Hillary's "loss"
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:44 PM
Oct 2020

Most of those factors were beyond her control and not her fault. Joe's consistently good numbers against Typhoid Donnie make me hopeful that things will turn out differently. That said, polls are simply as snapshot in time and shouldn't be used as an excuse not to vote. I voted September 27th and dropped my ballot in an official drop box the next day.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
11. Thank you. I never read those threads. Ignore the polls and vote!
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:50 PM
Oct 2020

Beating Trump is good, but absolutely CRUSHING him is better.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
14. Yes.
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:55 PM
Oct 2020

Are you from Pittsburgh? In the 70 when the Steelers were so dominant and the Eagles were crap I pulled for the Steelers a lot.

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SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
19. Near Pittsburgh but lived just outside DC at that time...
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 10:10 PM
Oct 2020

and, wow, did we have fun when the Steelers were dominating (especially with the Dallas fans down the street!). Very fond childhood memory.

Silent3

(15,643 posts)
32. Even if complacency was a factor in 2016...
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 05:54 AM
Oct 2020

...it wasn’t complacency among anyone on DU! No one HERE who bothers to spend time on a political forum like this is going to sit out an election, not if they feel assured of victory, not if they feel doomed to failure, and not for anything in between.

I’ll track the polls all I want to, thank you very much.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
36. Well, love DU but not many voters are political junkies like us. I can tell you for sure, there were
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 09:47 AM
Oct 2020

a number of DUers who voted for trump, left it blank, or went 3rd Party because they were ticked off their guy didn't get the nomination. Ever heard of the Jackpine Radicals?

Silent3

(15,643 posts)
37. Oh, I remember those idiots
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 09:59 AM
Oct 2020

And they're probably still voting Green or Libertarian or writing in Ralph Nader or their hamster this election.

I don't think they voted the way they did in 2016 out of complacency, because they read polls, or they didn't read polls. They were just being self-righteous assholes and "burn it all down!" fools.

dchill

(38,767 posts)
15. Also, if you haven't already voted...
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 09:56 PM
Oct 2020

WHY THE HELL NOT! HE'S TRYING TO KILL YOU. HE'S DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY!
DO IT NOW!

BannonsLiver

(16,704 posts)
23. Sorry but data and polling is a valid part of political science
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 11:21 PM
Oct 2020

I’m going to be following the polling right until the end. I’ve already voted and can walk and chew gum at the same time anyway.

BannonsLiver

(16,704 posts)
25. Straw man alert. Never said that.
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 11:29 PM
Oct 2020

Here’s an idea: You do you, and stop trying to tell other people what to do.

If you can’t handle the polling. If it upsets you. If it makes you feel complacent, don’t read the polls and keep on scrolling. Not that complicated.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
26. The point of my post was to not be complacent.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 04:53 AM
Oct 2020

I said nothing that would imply complacency on my part. the point of the post was to be a cautionary tale.

Reading with comprehension is a wonderful concept. You should try it sometime, especially before you say BS about someone else's posts. In the meanwhile, please feel free to piss off.

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BannonsLiver

(16,704 posts)
27. So you don't think people who are interested in polls can also follow through and vote?
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 05:23 AM
Oct 2020

That’s pretty silly. Most thinking adults can look at polls, process them and then follow up and vote. They can also inform their friends and family of the state of the race, and why it’s important to vote.

Burying ones head in the sand can also be counterproductive.

An understanding of human nature and politics is a wonderful concept. You should try it sometime.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
47. Christ on a crutch.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:04 PM
Oct 2020

Before I retired I dealt with human nature for a living and the first political campaign I volunteered in was Bobby Kennedy's in 1968 shortly before my 13th birthday.

Cautionary tale, dude.

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BannonsLiver

(16,704 posts)
48. All evidence to the contrary
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:19 PM
Oct 2020


Sorry, not a big fan of, or impressed with, people who encourage voters to be ACTIVELY UNINFORMED during an election as you have done in your OP. And that IS what you are doing.

Good luck with the head in the sand movement. I think it’s got a great chance to really take off.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
28. "Here's an idea: You do you, and stop trying to tell other people what to do"
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 05:33 AM
Oct 2020

Fantastically ironic advice

BannonsLiver

(16,704 posts)
29. You might be right
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 05:43 AM
Oct 2020

I sometimes chuckle when I read the posts of pseudo campaign experts, reliving their glory days from long ago. As if they have some special insight or know something the Biden campaign doesn’t. Though I guess that’s more in the realm of amusement and pity than irony.

Willto

(292 posts)
31. I Think
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 05:53 AM
Oct 2020

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Posts like the OP are of little use here. For starters the people who visit DU every day are obviously people like myself that are very interested in politics and fired up to get Caligula out of the White House before he destroys our country. Does anyone seriously think that anybody here is going to become so complacent over a poll that they don't bother to vote? That because things are looking kind of good we are going to slack off doing everything in our individual power to see this through? Really?

I think any possibility of anyone not taking the threat of Trump seriously or thinking he had no chance to win went out the window back in 2016. Of course we need to stay vigilant. But I believe malignant pessimism hurts us worse than a little exuberant optimism. People who believe they can win stay involved and try to.

Vivienne235729

(3,407 posts)
39. Oh hell yea I have had a plan to vote. And I did. This year, as SOON as I received my ballot
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 10:56 AM
Oct 2020

I filled it out. My mother did the same that night. The next day we went down the the county recorder's office to drop off our ballots. I have done this before and usually I am the only person there. This year, there was a steady stream of people coming and going to drop off their ballots too. In the 3 min I was there, I saw atleast 15-20 people.

The country recorder's office have come out and confirmed that our early voting is off the charts just like the rest of the country.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
43. The point of my post was to not skip voting because you think that one candidate has it in the bag.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 12:46 PM
Oct 2020

Or, possibly because you know your candidate will lose. For example, in 1984 I knew (as did the whole country) that Fritz Mondale had ZERO at best chance of winning that election but I made damn sure to get my ass to the booth...and I have a BIG ass...yikes).

Voting matters 100% of the time. Especially when the incumbent is such a piece of excrement with legs that he almost makes Dubya look like an elder statesman.

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MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
46. Jesus.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 12:57 PM
Oct 2020

Of course not. Have you ever heard of a concept of a cautionary tale?

Have you ever said goodbye to a friend or relative by telling them to drive carefully when you know goddamned that they will or wish them good luck before a game?

Apparently a lot of people who've read this post haven't and it's starting o get tiresome.

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Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
51. No, I have not.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:29 PM
Oct 2020

I am obviously stupid. Really, it's amazing I am able to dress myself most mornings.

Maybe ruminate a bit on why people who don't need your cautioning might not be so receptive to a cautionary tale, eh?

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
52. I have an idea.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:46 PM
Oct 2020

If you don't like a post, stop contributing to it.

WOW, what a concept.Did you ever hear of the guy who kept hitting himself in the head with a sledge hammer because it felt so good when he stopped?

Fortunately, DU gives us a tool to make pinheads go away. AMF!

BannonsLiver

(16,704 posts)
49. +1
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:21 PM
Oct 2020


Seriously here is the OP’s argument in a nutshell: “Don’t inform yourself. Be ignorant. You’ll vote harder.”

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
50. That is a true crock of crap.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:20 PM
Oct 2020

It certainly is my good fortune that .we can make pinheads go away. AMF!

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