52 million ballots requested, 23 million returned. 40% of African America ballots rejected

[Demovictory9]

heard on NPR today... in states where an exact process is required on ballot, (place in envelope, sign the envelope just right, witness fields filled out just so) - 40% of African American ballots rejected because disproportionately new voters. Common cause and other groups are calling these voters in the states where it's allowed to "cure" your ballot. some states, no fixing allowed.




https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/index.html

[msongs]

1. how is it known these ballots are from african americans. nt

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

2. My question also.

The real problem with a lot of absentee/mailed in ballots is that if they are not done exactly precisely as required, they won't be counted.

Which is why I'm going to vote in person next week.

[ihas2stinkyfeet]

5. from the follow up calls.

heard the same story.

[LisaL]

8. I don't know who said what.

There is no way 40 % of ballots are rejected.

[Fiendish Thingy]

10. It says 40% of AA ballots rejected, not all ballots

Depending on the location and overall turnout, that could be 5-10% of all absentees?

[LisaL]

11. Where does it say that?

NT

[Fiendish Thingy]

12. In the OP headline. Nt

[LisaL]

13. And OP heard it somewhere?

No link. I am just supposed to take OP's word for it?

[PTWB]

15. There is a link in the OP...

[LisaL]

18. Did you actually look at the link?

I don't think so.
Seriously, just stop.

[PTWB]

41. Yes, I did look at the link and didn't find anything supporting OP.

That’s why I was surprised you said the OP didn’t provide a link. He clearly provided a link. It would have been better for you to say that the link didn’t support his assertion, not that it didn’t exist.

[book_worm]

39. Check out the link and check out the states that are voting with large AA

voters like GA or NC and you'll see that nowhere near 40% are being rejected. In GA only 82 AA ballots were rejected.

[PTWB]

42. Right. The link doesn't support the assertion.

The person I was replying to said there was “no link” in the OP - not that the link didn’t support the claim.

[LisaL]

43. No link supporting the claim that 40% of ballots are rejected.

I thought that much was obvious.

[Faux pas]

4. Yeah

Good question

[CatMor]

6. I too wonder how they would know that.

[nclib]

21. When I look up my voter registration status on the NC gov. website,

it says what my race is. I think they get that information from my driver's license though I don't know for sure.

[TheBlackAdder]

40. Half of the stuff on GitHub is bullshit, the other half from foreigners.

[33taw]

3. Ask for help if you aren't sure what is required.

[LisaL]

7. 40% of ballots are not rejected.

That's absurd.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

9. If you put up enough hurdles anyone will trip

Come on man, we can see what is going on here...

[LisaL]

16. What's going on here is OP is posting something OP clearly misheard.

40% of ballots are not rejected. This is an absurd number.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

14. Is it possible...

...the story you heard said, "40% of rejected ballots are from African Americans."???

[LisaL]

17. Well, clearly 40 % of ballots are not rejected, so OP is posting false info.

I don't think that's a good idea to post false info. This is what I could find that has a 40% number in it. It clearly doesn't mean that 40 % of ballots submitted by African Americans get rejected.

"The analysis by ProPublica and WRAL News shows 40% of rejected ballots were submitted by voters who identify as Black or African American, Indian American or Alaska Native, Asian, two or more races, or “other.”"
https://www.propublica.org/article/in-north-carolina-black-voters-mail-in-ballots-much-more-likely-to-be-rejected-than-those-from-any-other-race

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

29. Sounds more like it...

..."...40% of rejected ballots were submitted by voters who identify...".

[GulfCoast66]

30. Which depending on the precinct might be average for all voters?

It could be 2% of the total rejected but 40% African American.

[LisaL]

33. Yes, exactly.

40% of ballots that were rejected were from voters who identify as African American or other minorities.
That is clearly not the same as 40% of ballots from African Americans are rejected.

[LisaL]

19. Please stop spreading false information.

People are already anxious enough.
You didn't understand correctly what you think you heard.

[stillcool]

20. I heard some things that you wouldn't believe

or maybe you would.

[Awsi Dooger]

22. The rejection rate is very low so far

At least in the states reporting those numbers

Less than 1% in North Carolina and next to nothing in Georgia, only 101 votes.

It's possible that 40% of the rejected are ballots from African Americans.

The rejection rate overall seems too low. I'm wondering if they are counting the ballots that have been sent back to fix. Probably not. If those aren't fixed the rejection rate will go up to more logical level.

[Hoyt]

26. If the 40% is close to true, I think you are right - it's 40% of ballots actually rejected.

Not 40% of all AA ballots were rejected.

[Hoyt]

23. Searched, but don't see anything from NPR on that. Skeptical of 40% amount.

I’m sure ballots are rejected, though. In other elections most common reason for rejection is late arrival. Of course, haven’t gotten to that point yet.

If headline is true, we’ll definitely hear more.

[LisaL]

24. Do you really think what OP posted is accurate?

Clearly 40 % of ballots from AA are not rejected. OP obviously misunderstood what they heard, but posted it nonetheless.

[Hoyt]

28. Obviously I don't believe it. That's why I searched for confirmation. I agree with you.

[Takket]

31. this is probably the report....

4 minute listen........ i can't listen to it right now.... hopefully someone else can and tell us what it says.......

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/16/924648168/voting-rights-groups-help-americans-cure-rejected-ballots

[LisaL]

34. 40 % of rejected ballots are from African Americans.

Which is not the same as 40 % of ballots from African Americans get rejected.
Lets make it real simple. If 1000 people send in ballots, and 200 of these people are from African Americans,
and 10 ballots get rejected (1 % rejection rate), 4 of the 10 ballots will be from African Americans.

[Hoyt]

35. Thanks. Big difference. Accuracy is important.

[rockfordfile]

25. If true then wow

[LisaL]

27. It's not true.

NT

[book_worm]

38. It's not true.

[getagrip_already]

32. a valid quote from the links....

I predict in the coming weeks the Democratic narrative will change from euphoria over the apparent large leads in early voting to concern that a disproportionately large number of younger voters have yet to return their mail ballots.

NOTHING new there. The youth vote is always more social media than ballot box.

ZOOMERS, prove me wrong. I dare you. I double "here, hold my beer and watch this" dare you.

Prove aoc is a real thing. vote. Not difficult, but can be habit forming.

[Codeine]

36. Delete this nonsense. nt

[book_worm]

37. Do you have a link for that 40% rejection rate? because if it is

that would be a major story.

Looking at your own link--Georgia a state with a large AA population is showing only 62 AA ballots being rejected in the state. Yes, it's more than the 28 white voters rejected, but it certainly isn't anywhere near 40%--not even 1%.

https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/GA.html

[Rice4VP]

44. Which state are you referring to

If you’re referring to NC, maybe you need to drill down into the numbers instead of creating panic. In NC, people are allowed to correct their ballot.

We’re not talking about millions of ballots being rejected.

[csziggy]

45. Here is a Washington Post article that supports what you heard - from Oct 12

A legal fight over how to fix ballot errors in North Carolina has left thousands of voters in limbo. Nearly half are people of color.

By Elise Viebeck
Oct. 12, 2020 at 8:01 a.m. EDT

A dispute over how North Carolina voters should correct problems with their mail ballots remains unresolved roughly three weeks before Election Day, leaving at least 6,800 votes — including more than 3,300 ballots from people of color — in limbo across a key presidential battleground state.

The legal fight intensified after the state Board of Elections said last month it would allow voters to “cure,” or fix, deficiencies in their mail ballots by completing and returning an affidavit to county election officials. The affidavit would neutralize a range of voter errors that could lead to ballots being tossed, including failure to provide a witness signature.

But a federal judge put the plan on hold Oct. 3, arguing it changed the rules too close to Election Day. And a second federal judge expressed concern that the affidavits would allow voters to essentially dodge the state’s witness requirement — the primary method used in North Carolina to prove mail ballots are authentic.



A total of 6,801 ballots were marked as “pending cure” as of Sunday, including 2,776 from Black voters, according to a Washington Post analysis of state election data.

More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/north-carolina-ballot-errors/2020/10/12/cd7bd50a-0981-11eb-a166-dc429b380d10_story.html