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NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 09:55 PM Oct 2020

22 days to go. My daily post to watch for late trends. Tracking two sites -

538 - https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

today's end of day numbers - Joe 86/100 chance of winning, 346 EVs, 53.5% of popular vote.

Sam Wang Princeton - https://election.princeton.edu/

today's end of day numbers - Joe metamargin +6.3, estimate 369 EVs.

I'll post this each night at around 10 - and see what sort of trend shows up daily, leading up to the big day.

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22 days to go. My daily post to watch for late trends. Tracking two sites - (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Oct 2020 OP
Thanks for doing this, my dear NRaleighLiberal! CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2020 #1
I am both a stats/numbers kind of guy, and really on edge/nervous about this election NRaleighLiberal Oct 2020 #2
Go do more gardening! Or something. GulfCoast66 Oct 2020 #11
Thanks... I'll be watching! Karadeniz Oct 2020 #3
Thanks, would be nice to see! nt USALiberal Oct 2020 #4
Thank you, thank you, thank you..... a kennedy Oct 2020 #5
Thank you for doing this! Will try to watch each day for it DonaldsRump Oct 2020 #6
The "meta-margin," for Sam Wang... regnaD kciN Oct 2020 #13
Wow....I grow increasingly aware of my lack of knowledge! DonaldsRump Oct 2020 #15
thank you.. chillfactor Oct 2020 #7
k&r BSdetect Oct 2020 #8
Thanks MustLoveBeagles Oct 2020 #9
I would not bank any, ANY EV count that includes Florida. My Pet Orangutan Oct 2020 #10
Agreed... regnaD kciN Oct 2020 #12
Unfortunately, I don't know enough about statistics to understand Wang's Site Poiuyt Oct 2020 #14
You might want to add this site... regnaD kciN Oct 2020 #16
thanks! Looking at the data mid day, but will be patient and do the update at 10 eastern tonight! NRaleighLiberal Oct 2020 #17
It's OK to call it like it is Johnny2X2X Oct 2020 #18

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
2. I am both a stats/numbers kind of guy, and really on edge/nervous about this election
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 09:59 PM
Oct 2020

I despise/hate/loathe trump and republicans so much that it isn't healthy....thankfully our regular walks and hikes help me deal with it!

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
11. Go do more gardening! Or something.
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 12:32 AM
Oct 2020

Remember stressing yourself does nothing to change the situation. It is just bad for you.

You stressing is not harming trump. Just yourself.

Personally I spent the day cutting back my Vitex and potting up Gerbers and herbs. And buying fishing clothes.

Washing the boat tomorrow.

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
6. Thank you for doing this! Will try to watch each day for it
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 10:22 PM
Oct 2020

One question, and apologies in advance for my ignorance: what does "metamargin" mean in this context?

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
13. The "meta-margin," for Sam Wang...
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 12:47 AM
Oct 2020

Is how far a candidate is ahead when you factor in the possibility for a popular/electoral vote split. Right now, demographics give the Republicans an edge in the EV, so this means that, according to Wang's model, should they make up that amount (the "meta-margin&quot in the polls, you'd have a race where there was a 50/50 chance for each candidate to win the Electoral College.

My Pet Orangutan

(9,244 posts)
10. I would not bank any, ANY EV count that includes Florida.
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 12:21 AM
Oct 2020

Florida is a cesspool of electoral wretchedness. 2018 - Biggest Blue Wave since Watergate - lose the Senate and Governor's races on yet another bloody, compromised count.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
12. Agreed...
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 12:44 AM
Oct 2020

If we win Florida, I'll be delighted, but it seems like that state has a habit of taking a "lean Democratic" race according to the polls and having it turn out to be a "narrow Republican victory," and taking a "toss-up" race according to the polls and having it turn out to be a "not-particularly-narrow Republican victory."

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
16. You might want to add this site...
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 12:59 AM
Oct 2020

The Economist - https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president

today's end of day numbers - Joe 91/100 chance of winning, 345 EVs, currently at 54.2% of popular vote (predicting 53.9% on 11/3).

I'd be a little leery of the projections from Princeton Election Consortium; Sam Wang was the big loser in 2016, having given Hillary Clinton a "99%+" chance of winning on the morning of Election Day, while declaring "if Donald Trump gets more than 240 electoral votes, I'll eat a bug" (which he then had to do on CNN after the election). Now, I'll grant that he's probably refined his methods since then -- which may be why he no longer gives percentage odds of a candidate winning -- but, until he shows some success with whatever formulas he's using now, he remains suspect as far as I'm concerned.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
17. thanks! Looking at the data mid day, but will be patient and do the update at 10 eastern tonight!
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 12:51 PM
Oct 2020

And I agree with the Sam Wang site. Let's see how he does this time around.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
18. It's OK to call it like it is
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 12:57 PM
Oct 2020

This is a landslide that is already happening right now. This is a Blue Wave that will shake the country for years.

2016 is the only reason this isn't the major narrative right now. People are still shocked from 2016. 2020 is not 2016, for a variety of reasons.

20.5 days to go now! Realistically, if the polls don't start moving towards Trump now, he's going to run out of time for a comeback completely no matter what happens.

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