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Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:06 AM

FOUND VOTER FRAUD!! BALLOTS DESTROYED!!

NEWARK, N.J. (AP) A postal employee in New Jersey dumped more than 1,800 pieces of mail, federal prosecutors said Wednesday.

Nicholas Beauchene, 26, of Kearny, faced arraignment later in the day on charges of delay, secretion or detention of mail and obstruction of mail. It was not known if he had retained a lawyer.

The mail included 99 ballots for the upcoming election, and more than 600 pieces of first class mail.

The approximately 1,875 pieces of discarded mail was recovered from trash dumpsters in North Arlington and West Orange on Oct. 2, and Oct. 5., prosecutors said. It had been scheduled to be delivered to addresses on certain postal routes in Orange and West Orange.


https://apnews.com/article/newark-new-jersey-archive-elections-7afeefdd76ca77120576946fc0204df8

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Reply FOUND VOTER FRAUD!! BALLOTS DESTROYED!! (Original post)
634-5789 Oct 8 OP
Eyeball_Kid Oct 8 #1
33taw Oct 8 #2
poli-junkie Oct 8 #3
pat_k Oct 8 #5
brush Oct 8 #10
pat_k Oct 8 #18
MissMillie Oct 8 #12
pat_k Oct 8 #4
greenjar_01 Oct 8 #6
H2O Man Oct 8 #7
Le Roi de Pot Oct 8 #8
Kingofalldems Oct 8 #9
The Magistrate Oct 8 #11
Kingofalldems Oct 8 #13
The Magistrate Oct 8 #14
sl8 Oct 8 #17
Silent3 Oct 8 #15
Silent3 Oct 8 #16
rockfordfile Oct 8 #19
Bobstandard Oct 8 #20
Awsi Dooger Oct 8 #22
lettucebe Oct 8 #21

Response to 634-5789 (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:08 AM

1. The AP item doesn't say that ballots were destroyed, only that they were "dumped." n/t

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Response to 634-5789 (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:10 AM

2. How do they know there were 99 ballots.

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Response to 634-5789 (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:11 AM

3. Isn't it called Election Fraud (not voter fraud)?

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Response to poli-junkie (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:14 AM

5. Absolutely!! We've GOT to get this right.

Voter Fraud -- an voter doing something fraudulent. So negligible not worth wasting time looking for.

Election Fraud -- action that corrupts the outcome through systematic or individual action (i.e., everything the republicans are doing to prevent votes being cast or counted from Democratic strongholds).

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Response to pat_k (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:33 AM

10. Is this even election fraud? Sounds more like a malingering postman who found a way...

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to get out of doing his job and just trashed his whole load, which included first class mail as well as some ballots. in dumpsters.

He of course needs to fired and prosecuted.

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Response to brush (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:58 AM

18. True. But a consequence corrupts the election.

We could write off as felony mail theft (he stole and dumped mail), but the fact there were ballots in the mix makes it a double crime (mail theft and electoral fraud).

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Response to poli-junkie (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:41 AM

12. That was exactly my thought....

the only person committing a crime here isn't doing it by VOTING.

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Response to 634-5789 (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:13 AM

4. Orange 72% Black, 13% White, 1.5% Native American, the rest "other"

Any bets on where the vast majority of the mail was going?

Orange, NJ

The racial makeup of the township was 12.80% (3,857) White, 71.83% (21,645) Black or African American, 0.57% (173) Native American, 1.51% (455) Asian, 0.02% (6) Pacific Islander, 9.95% (2,999) from other races, and 3.32% (999) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 21.67% (6,531) of the population.


West Orange

The racial makeup of the township was 67.6% White, 17.5% African American, 0.14% Native American, 8.09% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 3.52% from other races, and 3.20% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 10.04% of the population.

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Response to 634-5789 (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:14 AM

6. What are you doing?

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:14 AM

7. +1

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Response to 634-5789 (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:17 AM

8. my nightmare is that Ballot collection boxes will be targeted for Vandalism by white militias -- it

 

is such a soft target.

While mail in balloting is safe and a good way to vote - it is only so because we are a civilized civic minded country that mostly follows democratic norms.


If white militias feel threatened by democracy - there is no saying what they will do. Box stuffing, vandalism , destruction etc could all become tools for them to keep power. Trump is giving them Ideas and I am sure papa Putin and KGB will provide dozens more along with intel on which areas to target.

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Response to 634-5789 (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:23 AM

9. It doesn't say 'voter fraud' in the article headline.

Looks like something you inserted. Why?

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:37 AM

11. The Courteous Presumption, Sir

Is an attempt at sarcasm through hyperbolic expression of something mundane. It is not clear that presumption holds, though....

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:44 AM

13. This was a letter carrier

(and probably a temp) not wanting to deliver his route so he tossed the mail.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:48 AM

14. I Agree, Sir --- It Is Not So Infrequent As People Might Suppose

It is the sort of thing deliberately misinterpreted on the right at present, though, and the headline could be an effort at mocking this.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:56 AM

17. I think you're on to something.

If it was intended as sarcastic commentary, though, it would have worked better if it were clearly an added comment. By using it as a substitute headline/title, I think it confuses the issue.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:51 AM

15. I think the ALL CAPS, double-double-exclamation mark title...

...should be taken as a hint that the poster is being sarcastic, and imitating Republican frenzy over the issue.

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Response to 634-5789 (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:53 AM

16. They've got 99 ballots...

...and mine ain't one of them!

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Response to 634-5789 (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:02 AM

19. It seems perhaps they're doing this in other places?

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Response to 634-5789 (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:13 AM

20. Poster loves trollish headlines

Look at his other posts. A pattern emerges

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Response to Bobstandard (Reply #20)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:04 PM

22. I can't believe that point wasn't made until post #20

Easy handicapping whenever I see that user name...er numbers

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Response to 634-5789 (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:59 PM

21. That's not voter fraud -- it's Tampering with the US Mail, a felony, but has zero to do with voting

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