Dr. Sanjay Gupta of CNN just said unequivocally, "The president is sicker than they are telling us."

[Earthshine2]

And he goes into detail about the announcement of medications and the timing of events.

[TruckFump]

1. Like shit he's going to be released to go back to the WH tomorrow...

...unless it's like this:

[link:|

[brewens]

3. think of Mailordia trying to fight back the grin when they hand her that flag. :)

[Earthshine2]

7. Think of how much the publishing industry will pay her to write a tell-all book.

She'll get more from that than Donald's financially underwater estate.

[calimary]

15. And if it's after he dies, would she still be bound by some non disclosure agreement?

I bet we might finally hear from the exiled Marla Maples at such a time, too.

I bet Marla has a story to tell, also.

[wnylib]

33. Marla already told a story about him

in her divorce filing, about how he beat and raped her because she had recommeded the person who botched a hair transplant job on him. Then she retracted it and I can only imagine what threats he used to accomplish that.

Maybe she will un-retract it.

[HoosierDebbie]

40. I'm pretty sure that was Ivana.

[wnylib]

41. Oops. I think you're right. So hard to keep track of

his exes - the wives, mistresses, hired "companions."

[calimary]

91. Yeah. It WAS Ivana.

And she's been muzzled, too.

Can't wait til they finally speak. Just guessing that if/when he eventually passes, that would release them from non-disclosure "agreements" that they were probably forced to sign or face a LOT of grief, legal, financial, AND otherwise.

[treestar]

56. Now that we know he is broke

The payoff might be more than the lawsuit costs.

[generalbetrayus]

60. The publisher will have to hire someone

to rewrite it from the original Slovenian Eengleesh.

[Fritz Walter]

29. First, I really like that nickname

Stealing it!
Second, I think that grin will drop like a stone through a wet paper bag when she meets with the executor of his will. The estate -- what's left of it -- will be as miniscule as his heart. Then, she'll find out that his "adult" children will get the lion's share of any remaining assets.

Maybe she could write a tell-all book.
No, wait! What am I thinking? Mailordia writing something?!?

[wnylib]

39. That's one she won't be able to plagiarize

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from Michelle.

But, she might right (sic) book with Slovenian accent. "How I Met and Married Hateful Soul Mate."

[brewens]

71. It starts with, "I come to Amereeca weeth no thing but perfect breasts and fine pussy

to make fortune."

[COLGATE4]

81. Actually, I think you've given us the

text of the entire book.

[LoveMyCali]

52. She could wait for Marla to write one

and then steal it.

[Celerity]

83. Mailorder Mel, Duchess of Plastic, member of Ye Olde Order of the Orange

[Illumination]

45. But then sobbing uncontrollably when she finds out there's nothing left in their bank account &

she's been left penniless...

[csziggy]

55. Do presidents that never served in the military get/deserve a flag?

Seriously, it would be an insult to the flags that both my parents earned by serving during WWII to have a draft dodging piece of shit get one just because the Electoral College is fucked up.

[sarge43]

64. No he certainly does not deserve a flag or any other honor.

However, as CinC and head of state one would be required. RHIP.

RBG never served and she had one on her casket and yes, she damn well deserved one.

[AdamGG]

80. ...

https://images.app.goo.gl/3cPrrTPM3kmZyAVB8

[csziggy]

88. OK, he can have that flag

But after his revolting display, he should not be allowed to touch an American flag!

[lastlib]

72. ...Like she just won the lottery!

(it might take some time before it changes to "I owe WHO,WHAT??!?" Vladdy-Daddy is sure to remind her and demand payment soon!)

[Totally Tunsie]

76. LOL, "I-OWE-A" isn't just a state anymore!

[misanthrope]

82. Don't be so sure about that

She now knows there's no money for her, that Daddy Warbucks was in hock past his head. She is living soft right now based on their current status, which disappears if he kicks the bucket.

She also knows the nest of vipers he spawned will turn on her before the first shovelful of dirt hits Cadet Bone Spurs' coffin. Unless she has squirreled away some money, she will be SOL when he's gone.

[calimary]

92. I love that! "Mailordia"!

Did you come up with that one? It's hilarious! And hilariously clever!

Hey, it's not our fault that her parents gave her a name that was so easy to play with!

[brewens]

93. usually when I think I came up with a good one, I look online and someone beat me to it.

Not this time as far as I can tell. I've used it all over and it doesn't seem to catch on though. Oh well. I know that there's funny!

[calimary]

95. Yours is completely original (she said, with a touch of envy)!

[gollygee]

18. He waited to announce he's sick until after the stock market closed

and he will wait to announce he's too sick to go home until after the stock market opens so it doesn't start with a crash.

This is about the stock market. It's all he's got.

[TruckFump]

21. IMO, good observation.

He HAS TO WIN in his estimation because if he does not, he is looking at an orange jump suit. Yep, the stock market is his only plus...and that is not saying much.

[C Moon]

67. I never understood why government waited until Friday to announce a lot of big news.

Ah, that's why: the stock market.
I always thought it was because people pay less attention to the news on the weekends or something.

[Traildogbob]

26. Wrong Flag

It will be confederate/Russian combo.

[TruckFump]

31. Good point!

Yep, I am sure Melania will have the casket covered by the flag of the homeland to which she owes her loyalty when he's buried.

[SayItLoud]

42. Weird that they would set themselves up for more

in depth questions if tRUMP is not released to return to the WH tomorrow. If he's not they will have a lot more questions whose answers will also be lies.

Wonder why NO reporter has asked: Has the president* been given a drug he promoted to America? Hydroxychloroquine. If not WHY NOT?

[TruckFump]

44. IMO, the docs are giving more of POLITICAL rather than MEDICAL messages.

My best guess...their patient want only certain statements made and they his voice at the moment.

[vapor2]

53. I read where Dr Conley has promoted Hydroxychloroquine.

[BadgerMom]

61. This was my thought.

While it is unfeeling and unhealthy to set any expectation for a sick man in his 70s with co-morbidities, they have done it. There’s no walking it back. If he isn’t released tomorrow there will be so many questions. I’m betting he waits until after the stock market closes tomorrow and returns to the White House, come hell or high water. I feel sorry for White House staff who will be exposed further by caring for him in a non medical setting.

[pandr32]

2. They are trying to prop him up

DT gets the best top-tiered healthcare available in this country, experimental drugs not yet approved for others, copious amounts of steroids, attendees to fawn all over him while others are too often neglected, and a propaganda campaign machine that is still spinning.

DT wants his base to believe he's a tough guy duking it out for them.

[jimfields33]

4. What I gained from this is that President Biden needs to get that hospital suite

updated. I’m hoping with the media attention, the hospital will do it after trump is discharged. It definitely needs an overhaul.

[Kingofalldems]

12. Say what?

[generalbetrayus]

62. Updated? Overhaul?

What it will need is an extended fumigation.

[pandr32]

84. What for?

It is 5 star compared to what other people get. Have you ever been hospitalized? They aren't places of comfort and style.

[jimfields33]

86. Take a look at the pictures

[Boomerproud]

13. His cult believes every word of it.

NT

[pandr32]

85. They do

It is as though their brain cells are in a suspended state.

[Newest Reality]

5. Humpty Trumpty had a...

You know the rest.

[mucifer]

6. He speculating. He isn't trumps doctor. He has limited information trump has the most cutting edge

doctors thinking out of the box right now.

[Tanuki]

9. He may have some off-the-record inside information. I would be very

surprised if he hasn't heard a thing or two from highly placed colleagues.

[58Sunliner]

10. He is probably basing his opinion on the protocol for the meds he has been given.

Logical.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/04/trump-receiving-dexamethasone-steroid-usually-given-patients-with-severe-covid19/

[mucifer]

11. Doctors don't always use protocol especially in a case like this

[Quixote1818]

28. They do if the drug can do damage if administered too early. Did you read the article?

Dexamethasone is generally reserved for patients who have serious disease. The National Institutes of Health’s treatment guidelines for Covid-19 say dexamethasone should be used only in hospitalized patients who are on ventilators or who require supplemental oxygen, and specifically “recommends against using dexamethasone for the treatment of Covid-19 in patients who do not require supplemental oxygen.”

[Ms. Toad]

65. He did require supplemental oxygen. n/t

[58Sunliner]

32. Doctors have to justify their drug use-even with covid.

one should not use a drug with known contra-indications for his condition. And that is the big clue here. Dexamethasone, statistically, would be detrimental to a patient in early covid treatment. He/she has a medical license to protect. Unless you want to be sued. Many doctors would not put their practice at risk, especially for a high profile patient.

[Quixote1818]

68. Exactly as dexamethasone suppresses the immune system. If Trump takes a turn for the worst

now, then they probably would be taken to court for giving him something too early that did more bad than good.

[Historic NY]

73. Clorex and Lysol and a light blub enema are next....

hydroxychloroquine Dr is upset....


[link:https://www.newsweek.com/hydroxychloroquine-doctor-furious-donald-trump-took-experimental-antibody-stupidness-1536161|]

[Hortensis]

36. Some things are VERY obvious to people in the medical field,

and even to anyone who understands the critical difference between, for example, "or" and "and."

Those very good doctors are instructed to try to obfuscate and when that's not possible leave giant holes in their information, all of which they know other professionals treating Covid patients will have no trouble recognizing and inferring a very narrow range of possibilities from. Sometimes only one.

[Stallion]

8. Can't Wait for Movie!

[George II]

22. It's already been released years ago, in 1989:

[ffr]

14. Others in the press pool are mirroring the same message, things aren't adding up

tRump on third medicine since Thursday, a steriod that can reduce death in severe cases
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214209399

[NightWatcher]

16. If he cannot be photo'd sitting up in a chair, possibly speaking, they need to put Pence in

This looks bad for the US. It makes us look weak, like North Korea.

[Escurumbele]

20. Sorry but USA looks weak with trump on the chair, and even weaker with Pence

I just hope this incident is true and both trump and Pence need to retire, then we can have President Pelosi and come November Biden can be elected.

[wnylib]

46. Move them out of the WH so a HAZMAT team

can sanitize it between Nov 3 and Jan 20, before Biden moves in.

This morning I heard a report on poll numbers on NPR. They said Trump's numbers are below 40 and added the comment that they are at the level that Hoover had in 1932.

[panader0]

74. I'm sure Joe and Jill will make sure the place is cleaned up.

And the CIA and FBI and NSA can debug the place.

[DallasNE]

17. Pretty Rotten When Even The Doctors Are Liars n/t

[sarcasmo]

19. Weekend at Bernie's because it's 2020.

[BarbD]

27. The optics, the optics. How long can they prop him up?

[wnylib]

48. They propped up Ronnie for 8 years.

[Gymbo]

23. Wait a minute

The Washington Post just said the president could be released by Monday. I call fake on Trump. How do you go to the hospital with covid and then miraculously get released after a weekend?

[George II]

24. Through "immaculate deception"!

[Peregrine Took]

30. I bet he is insisting on being released.

Then he can say refer to his hospital stay as a "weekend" only - like no big deal.

[Liberty Belle]

37. Because the White House has its own doctors and nurses on staff and and a hospital-like setting

Capable of things like administering oxygen and IV medications if needed.

They don't have the sophisticated testing equipment like MRI or CT scan units, as far as I know, and needed to hospitalize him for those sorts of evaluations. Also had he needed a ventilator, a hospital is where he would need to be.

Anybody else would likely not be sent home so soon.

[wnylib]

50. I'm betting that they do not want to release him,

but he is insisting on it for the optics. Just like he initially refused to go into the hospital. He could end up offing himself with his pride and "tough guy" pretensions.

Not to mention that he will still be contagious. Could also relapse from re-exposure to Melania and WH staff.

But, hey, this is America. He gets to choose what he will do

[Ms. Toad]

66. You don't relapse if you aren't over it in the first place.

But the risk to others around him, given that it is abundantly clear how contagious the strain he has acquired is, is significant.

[wnylib]

89. Meriam Webster on relapse

https://www.meriamwebster.com/dictionary/relapse

2) a recurrence of symptoms of a disease after a period of improvement.


Doesn't say after getting over it, just after improvement.

[Ms. Toad]

90. If that's the definition you want to hang on to -

it would have nothing to do with exposure to anyone else who is positive, since that's not how viruses work.

My comment was based on you connecting the concept of relapse to re-exposure to the virus.

[Lasher]

54. Right, it's not like he would really be going "home."

He would be moved to the White House medical facilities.

[andym]

25. He probably is both sicker than they say,but has a much better chance at recovery than most

Why? He got the Regeneron treatment which confers a humoral immune response equal to somone who made very high affinity neutralizing antibodies again after three weeks of infection.. That by itself should help immensely.

[Earthshine2]

34. But it won't be a total recovery.

What doesn't kill him will still leave him weaker and damaged.

[bdamomma]

69. but I bet

he is stupid enough to have a rally, hmm... now that would be interesting.

He doesn't listen to anyone esp. his Drs. since he is such a stable genius.

[cwydro]

35. I think so too.

Gupta knows what he’s talking about.

[crimycarny]

38. Speaking as a hypochondriac -- I think Gupta wrong

More than one acquaintance of Trump has mentioned he is a bit of a hypochondriac and is “ freaking out” right now. My gut feeling, as a hypochondriac myself myself, is that Trump IS symptomatic but they have it under control...just not fast enough for Trump who is scared shitless. It would not surprise me if this third medicine is more a way to make him feel they aren’t leaving any stone unturned.

Frustrates the hell out of me that a man who has no qualms subjecting millions to this same disease, yet without his access to top (and lightening fast) medical care is now a quivering lump of fear demanding all stops be pulled—but will continue his battle to end ACA for the rest of the masses.

One thing he can’t control are long term effects. Even with all his amazing medical care he could have a difficult road back. I hope to hell he does.

[Earthshine2]

43. I think both you and Gupta are correct. Both of your educated opinions are completely compatible.

Trump is freaked and making the Drs use everything at their disposal.

Things are worse than they are telling us.

[crimycarny]

47. My only solace is this will take a toll regardless of science

I don’t think it’s wrong to feel satisfaction if Trump suffers long term effects from this. It feels like karma because it’s self inflicted. Trump has gotten away with sooooo much during his Presidency. COVID isn’t something he could bullshit away. Yes, his money and power probably saved his life where others would probably have died, but my hope is that this hits him right where it hurts the most—his fear of looking weak. You don’t “snap back” from something like this even with the best of care. So I think I can be forgiven for hoping he pays for his own recklessness by having a long road back. No energy for rallies, looking weak and tired in public, etc.

[radius777]

70. Agree, and he and his rich friends pay no taxes

yet have no problem helping themselves to the best taxpayer funded care - while many regular Americans died alone and went out in body bags.

[Earthshine2]

87. "I don't think it's wrong to feel satisfaction if Trump suffers long term effects from this. "

I agree. It's okay to have these types of evil thoughts and feelings as long as one does not act on them.

It is totally natural to feel what you feel -- and I feel the schadenfreude as well.

If he survives, it's probable his lungs and more will be scarred for life.

Peace to you.

[Illumination]

49. Trump is suffering? That's Karma in action! Absolutely heaven sent!...

[Jon King]

51. Regeneron has a less than stellar history.

With a MS in Microbiology and an avid follower of pharma companies, I would not automatically think that because Trump got the Regeneron cocktail he has a big advantage. The company has a track record of cherry picking data going back to their previous treatments and little of it so far with the Covid cocktail has been reviewed independently. The Regeneron CEO and his son are Trump supporters and members of one of his golf clubs. Trump's financial disclosure showed large capital gains from Regeneron stock in 2017.

The Regeneron cocktail monoclonal science will likely be a blueprint for great future treatments, but likely is not a miracle in its current form. My hunch is it may just delay the inevitable second wave of virus symptoms that will hit Trump within the next week. The virus replicates and targets various organs over time. The cocktail may just postpone what is coming for Trump. As we learned in virology, viruses are quite resilient and bide their time.

[crimycarny]

58. Very enlightening

Thanks so much for posting. I don’t know much about the science behind monoclonal antibodies and I had no idea about the ties between Regeneron and Trump. Very interesting...

[flamingdem]

63. Interesting, so the worst is yet to come?

What meds are left to try if that's the case?

[panader0]

75. People like you are one of the reasons I love DU.

There are experts in many fields here.
Great post.

[SheltieLover]

57. K&R!

[BusyBeingBest]

59. They're obviously treating him much more aggressively than most of us would

be treated unless we were ready to be intubated--it's hard to say how much of that is his actual condition and how much of that is precaution. You'd have to look at the dangers and side effects of the medications and treatments for someone in his age group and prior health status to really say for sure what's going on. Maybe Gupta knows that the docs weighed the risks of the meds and still thought they had to proceed aggressively because he was deteriorating.

[Warpy]

77. The silly photo op told the tale

Signing his name with a Sharpie in the middle of a random piece of blank paper, ethernet and USB cords dangling, unplugged, his face not made up and looking a little drawn. The quality was poor so I couldn't tell if he was a little dusky around the edges, but I would imagine he is since he's dumped his O2 sat. twice in the last 24 hours.

he seems to be as ill as I was when I had "preumptive." I'd feel sorry for him but he's done too much to piss me off.

[kwijybo]

78. That was obvious from the video Twitler released

I only watch a minute of it, but in that time he gasped for breath a couple of times. He sounded like my father on a very bad day (84M, AFIB, obese, COPD, etc). He will talk (deep breath) like this and (deep breath) this and so on.

[iluvtennis]

79. Dr Conley is gaslighting us. He said trump is on remdesivir and has had 2 treatments thus far.

He then later said to reporter trump is on a 5 dose remdesivir treatment. So, to me that mean 3 more daily doses which means earliest he would go home would be Wednesday.

Dr Conley is a LIAR just like his boss Don the Con.

[tblue37]

94. One can only hope. nt