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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:21 PM

Dr. Sanjay Gupta of CNN just said unequivocally, "The president is sicker than they are telling us."

And he goes into detail about the announcement of medications and the timing of events.

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Reply Dr. Sanjay Gupta of CNN just said unequivocally, "The president is sicker than they are telling us." (Original post)
Earthshine2 Oct 2020 OP
TruckFump Oct 2020 #1
brewens Oct 2020 #3
Earthshine2 Oct 2020 #7
calimary Oct 2020 #15
wnylib Oct 2020 #33
HoosierDebbie Oct 2020 #40
wnylib Oct 2020 #41
calimary Oct 2020 #91
treestar Oct 2020 #56
generalbetrayus Oct 2020 #60
Fritz Walter Oct 2020 #29
wnylib Oct 2020 #39
brewens Oct 2020 #71
COLGATE4 Oct 2020 #81
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csziggy Oct 2020 #55
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Totally Tunsie Oct 2020 #76
misanthrope Oct 2020 #82
calimary Oct 2020 #92
brewens Oct 2020 #93
calimary Oct 2020 #95
gollygee Oct 2020 #18
TruckFump Oct 2020 #21
C Moon Oct 2020 #67
Traildogbob Oct 2020 #26
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SayItLoud Oct 2020 #42
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vapor2 Oct 2020 #53
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jimfields33 Oct 2020 #4
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58Sunliner Oct 2020 #10
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ffr Oct 2020 #14
NightWatcher Oct 2020 #16
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wnylib Oct 2020 #46
panader0 Oct 2020 #74
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sarcasmo Oct 2020 #19
BarbD Oct 2020 #27
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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:28 PM

1. Like shit he's going to be released to go back to the WH tomorrow...

...unless it's like this:

[link:|

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:30 PM

3. think of Mailordia trying to fight back the grin when they hand her that flag. :)

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Response to brewens (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:36 PM

7. Think of how much the publishing industry will pay her to write a tell-all book.

She'll get more from that than Donald's financially underwater estate.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:58 PM

15. And if it's after he dies, would she still be bound by some non disclosure agreement?

I bet we might finally hear from the exiled Marla Maples at such a time, too.

I bet Marla has a story to tell, also.

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Response to calimary (Reply #15)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:11 PM

33. Marla already told a story about him

in her divorce filing, about how he beat and raped her because she had recommeded the person who botched a hair transplant job on him. Then she retracted it and I can only imagine what threats he used to accomplish that.

Maybe she will un-retract it.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #33)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:17 PM

40. I'm pretty sure that was Ivana.

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Response to HoosierDebbie (Reply #40)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:21 PM

41. Oops. I think you're right. So hard to keep track of

his exes - the wives, mistresses, hired "companions."

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Response to wnylib (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 11:19 AM

91. Yeah. It WAS Ivana.

And she's been muzzled, too.

Can't wait til they finally speak. Just guessing that if/when he eventually passes, that would release them from non-disclosure "agreements" that they were probably forced to sign or face a LOT of grief, legal, financial, AND otherwise.

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Response to calimary (Reply #15)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:54 PM

56. Now that we know he is broke

The payoff might be more than the lawsuit costs.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:03 PM

60. The publisher will have to hire someone

to rewrite it from the original Slovenian Eengleesh.

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Response to brewens (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:08 PM

29. First, I really like that nickname

Stealing it!
Second, I think that grin will drop like a stone through a wet paper bag when she meets with the executor of his will. The estate -- what's left of it -- will be as miniscule as his heart. Then, she'll find out that his "adult" children will get the lion's share of any remaining assets.

Maybe she could write a tell-all book.
No, wait! What am I thinking? Mailordia writing something?!?

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Response to Fritz Walter (Reply #29)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:16 PM

39. That's one she won't be able to plagiarize

Last edited Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:11 PM - Edit history (1)

from Michelle.

But, she might right (sic) book with Slovenian accent. "How I Met and Married Hateful Soul Mate."

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Response to wnylib (Reply #39)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:48 PM

71. It starts with, "I come to Amereeca weeth no thing but perfect breasts and fine pussy

to make fortune."

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Response to brewens (Reply #71)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:26 PM

81. Actually, I think you've given us the

text of the entire book.

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Response to Fritz Walter (Reply #29)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:50 PM

52. She could wait for Marla to write one

and then steal it.

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Response to Fritz Walter (Reply #29)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:33 PM

83. Mailorder Mel, Duchess of Plastic, member of Ye Olde Order of the Orange


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Response to brewens (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:28 PM

45. But then sobbing uncontrollably when she finds out there's nothing left in their bank account &

 

she's been left penniless...

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Response to brewens (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:53 PM

55. Do presidents that never served in the military get/deserve a flag?

Seriously, it would be an insult to the flags that both my parents earned by serving during WWII to have a draft dodging piece of shit get one just because the Electoral College is fucked up.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #55)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:08 PM

64. No he certainly does not deserve a flag or any other honor.

However, as CinC and head of state one would be required. RHIP.

RBG never served and she had one on her casket and yes, she damn well deserved one.

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Response to AdamGG (Reply #80)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:22 PM

88. OK, he can have that flag

But after his revolting display, he should not be allowed to touch an American flag!

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Response to brewens (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:51 PM

72. ...Like she just won the lottery!

(it might take some time before it changes to "I owe WHO,WHAT??!?" Vladdy-Daddy is sure to remind her and demand payment soon!)

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Response to lastlib (Reply #72)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 03:04 PM

76. LOL, "I-OWE-A" isn't just a state anymore!

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Response to brewens (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:33 PM

82. Don't be so sure about that

She now knows there's no money for her, that Daddy Warbucks was in hock past his head. She is living soft right now based on their current status, which disappears if he kicks the bucket.

She also knows the nest of vipers he spawned will turn on her before the first shovelful of dirt hits Cadet Bone Spurs' coffin. Unless she has squirreled away some money, she will be SOL when he's gone.

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Response to brewens (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 02:58 PM

92. I love that! "Mailordia"!

Did you come up with that one? It's hilarious! And hilariously clever!

Hey, it's not our fault that her parents gave her a name that was so easy to play with!

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Response to calimary (Reply #92)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 04:02 PM

93. usually when I think I came up with a good one, I look online and someone beat me to it.

Not this time as far as I can tell. I've used it all over and it doesn't seem to catch on though. Oh well. I know that there's funny!

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Response to brewens (Reply #93)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 04:15 PM

95. Yours is completely original (she said, with a touch of envy)!

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:01 PM

18. He waited to announce he's sick until after the stock market closed

and he will wait to announce he's too sick to go home until after the stock market opens so it doesn't start with a crash.

This is about the stock market. It's all he's got.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:05 PM

21. IMO, good observation.

He HAS TO WIN in his estimation because if he does not, he is looking at an orange jump suit. Yep, the stock market is his only plus...and that is not saying much.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:16 PM

67. I never understood why government waited until Friday to announce a lot of big news.

Ah, that's why: the stock market.
I always thought it was because people pay less attention to the news on the weekends or something.

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:07 PM

26. Wrong Flag

It will be confederate/Russian combo.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #26)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:09 PM

31. Good point!

Yep, I am sure Melania will have the casket covered by the flag of the homeland to which she owes her loyalty when he's buried.

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Response to TruckFump (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:21 PM

42. Weird that they would set themselves up for more

in depth questions if tRUMP is not released to return to the WH tomorrow. If he's not they will have a lot more questions whose answers will also be lies.

Wonder why NO reporter has asked: Has the president* been given a drug he promoted to America? Hydroxychloroquine. If not WHY NOT?

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Response to SayItLoud (Reply #42)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:24 PM

44. IMO, the docs are giving more of POLITICAL rather than MEDICAL messages.

My best guess...their patient want only certain statements made and they his voice at the moment.

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Response to SayItLoud (Reply #42)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:51 PM

53. I read where Dr Conley has promoted Hydroxychloroquine.

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Response to SayItLoud (Reply #42)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:05 PM

61. This was my thought.

While it is unfeeling and unhealthy to set any expectation for a sick man in his 70s with co-morbidities, they have done it. Thereís no walking it back. If he isnít released tomorrow there will be so many questions. Iím betting he waits until after the stock market closes tomorrow and returns to the White House, come hell or high water. I feel sorry for White House staff who will be exposed further by caring for him in a non medical setting.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:30 PM

2. They are trying to prop him up

DT gets the best top-tiered healthcare available in this country, experimental drugs not yet approved for others, copious amounts of steroids, attendees to fawn all over him while others are too often neglected, and a propaganda campaign machine that is still spinning.

DT wants his base to believe he's a tough guy duking it out for them.

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:34 PM

4. What I gained from this is that President Biden needs to get that hospital suite

updated. Iím hoping with the media attention, the hospital will do it after trump is discharged. It definitely needs an overhaul.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:56 PM

12. Say what?

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:06 PM

62. Updated? Overhaul?

What it will need is an extended fumigation.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:34 PM

84. What for?

It is 5 star compared to what other people get. Have you ever been hospitalized? They aren't places of comfort and style.

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #84)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 05:04 PM

86. Take a look at the pictures

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:56 PM

13. His cult believes every word of it.

NT

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Response to Boomerproud (Reply #13)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:35 PM

85. They do

It is as though their brain cells are in a suspended state.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:35 PM

5. Humpty Trumpty had a...

You know the rest.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:36 PM

6. He speculating. He isn't trumps doctor. He has limited information trump has the most cutting edge

doctors thinking out of the box right now.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:51 PM

9. He may have some off-the-record inside information. I would be very

surprised if he hasn't heard a thing or two from highly placed colleagues.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:52 PM

10. He is probably basing his opinion on the protocol for the meds he has been given.

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #10)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:54 PM

11. Doctors don't always use protocol especially in a case like this

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Response to mucifer (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:08 PM

28. They do if the drug can do damage if administered too early. Did you read the article?

Dexamethasone is generally reserved for patients who have serious disease. The National Institutes of Healthís treatment guidelines for Covid-19 say dexamethasone should be used only in hospitalized patients who are on ventilators or who require supplemental oxygen, and specifically ďrecommends against using dexamethasone for the treatment of Covid-19 in patients who do not require supplemental oxygen.Ē

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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #28)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:10 PM

65. He did require supplemental oxygen. n/t

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Response to mucifer (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:10 PM

32. Doctors have to justify their drug use-even with covid.

one should not use a drug with known contra-indications for his condition. And that is the big clue here. Dexamethasone, statistically, would be detrimental to a patient in early covid treatment. He/she has a medical license to protect. Unless you want to be sued. Many doctors would not put their practice at risk, especially for a high profile patient.

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #32)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:24 PM

68. Exactly as dexamethasone suppresses the immune system. If Trump takes a turn for the worst

now, then they probably would be taken to court for giving him something too early that did more bad than good.

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #10)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:57 PM

73. Clorex and Lysol and a light blub enema are next....

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Response to mucifer (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:12 PM

36. Some things are VERY obvious to people in the medical field,

and even to anyone who understands the critical difference between, for example, "or" and "and."

Those very good doctors are instructed to try to obfuscate and when that's not possible leave giant holes in their information, all of which they know other professionals treating Covid patients will have no trouble recognizing and inferring a very narrow range of possibilities from. Sometimes only one.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:44 PM

8. Can't Wait for Movie!

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Response to Stallion (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:05 PM

22. It's already been released years ago, in 1989:

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:56 PM

14. Others in the press pool are mirroring the same message, things aren't adding up

tRump on third medicine since Thursday, a steriod that can reduce death in severe cases
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214209399

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:58 PM

16. If he cannot be photo'd sitting up in a chair, possibly speaking, they need to put Pence in

This looks bad for the US. It makes us look weak, like North Korea.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #16)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:03 PM

20. Sorry but USA looks weak with trump on the chair, and even weaker with Pence

I just hope this incident is true and both trump and Pence need to retire, then we can have President Pelosi and come November Biden can be elected.

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #20)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:28 PM

46. Move them out of the WH so a HAZMAT team

can sanitize it between Nov 3 and Jan 20, before Biden moves in.

This morning I heard a report on poll numbers on NPR. They said Trump's numbers are below 40 and added the comment that they are at the level that Hoover had in 1932.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #46)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:57 PM

74. I'm sure Joe and Jill will make sure the place is cleaned up.

And the CIA and FBI and NSA can debug the place.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:00 PM

17. Pretty Rotten When Even The Doctors Are Liars n/t

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:02 PM

19. Weekend at Bernie's because it's 2020.

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #19)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:07 PM

27. The optics, the optics. How long can they prop him up?

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Response to BarbD (Reply #27)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:31 PM

48. They propped up Ronnie for 8 years.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:06 PM

23. Wait a minute

The Washington Post just said the president could be released by Monday. I call fake on Trump. How do you go to the hospital with covid and then miraculously get released after a weekend?

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Response to Gymbo (Reply #23)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:07 PM

24. Through "immaculate deception"!

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Response to Gymbo (Reply #23)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:08 PM

30. I bet he is insisting on being released.

Then he can say refer to his hospital stay as a "weekend" only - like no big deal.

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Response to Gymbo (Reply #23)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:14 PM

37. Because the White House has its own doctors and nurses on staff and and a hospital-like setting

Capable of things like administering oxygen and IV medications if needed.

They don't have the sophisticated testing equipment like MRI or CT scan units, as far as I know, and needed to hospitalize him for those sorts of evaluations. Also had he needed a ventilator, a hospital is where he would need to be.

Anybody else would likely not be sent home so soon.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #37)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:38 PM

50. I'm betting that they do not want to release him,

but he is insisting on it for the optics. Just like he initially refused to go into the hospital. He could end up offing himself with his pride and "tough guy" pretensions.

Not to mention that he will still be contagious. Could also relapse from re-exposure to Melania and WH staff.

But, hey, this is America. He gets to choose what he will do

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Response to wnylib (Reply #50)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:13 PM

66. You don't relapse if you aren't over it in the first place.

But the risk to others around him, given that it is abundantly clear how contagious the strain he has acquired is, is significant.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #66)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:33 PM

89. Meriam Webster on relapse

https://www.meriamwebster.com/dictionary/relapse

2) a recurrence of symptoms of a disease after a period of improvement.


Doesn't say after getting over it, just after improvement.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #89)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:35 PM

90. If that's the definition you want to hang on to -

it would have nothing to do with exposure to anyone else who is positive, since that's not how viruses work.

My comment was based on you connecting the concept of relapse to re-exposure to the virus.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #37)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:52 PM

54. Right, it's not like he would really be going "home."

He would be moved to the White House medical facilities.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:07 PM

25. He probably is both sicker than they say,but has a much better chance at recovery than most

Why? He got the Regeneron treatment which confers a humoral immune response equal to somone who made very high affinity neutralizing antibodies again after three weeks of infection.. That by itself should help immensely.

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Response to andym (Reply #25)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:11 PM

34. But it won't be a total recovery.

What doesn't kill him will still leave him weaker and damaged.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Reply #34)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:30 PM

69. but I bet

he is stupid enough to have a rally, hmm... now that would be interesting.

He doesn't listen to anyone esp. his Drs. since he is such a stable genius.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:11 PM

35. I think so too.

Gupta knows what heís talking about.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:14 PM

38. Speaking as a hypochondriac -- I think Gupta wrong

More than one acquaintance of Trump has mentioned he is a bit of a hypochondriac and is ď freaking outĒ right now. My gut feeling, as a hypochondriac myself myself, is that Trump IS symptomatic but they have it under control...just not fast enough for Trump who is scared shitless. It would not surprise me if this third medicine is more a way to make him feel they arenít leaving any stone unturned.

Frustrates the hell out of me that a man who has no qualms subjecting millions to this same disease, yet without his access to top (and lightening fast) medical care is now a quivering lump of fear demanding all stops be pulledóbut will continue his battle to end ACA for the rest of the masses.

One thing he canít control are long term effects. Even with all his amazing medical care he could have a difficult road back. I hope to hell he does.

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Response to crimycarny (Reply #38)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:21 PM

43. I think both you and Gupta are correct. Both of your educated opinions are completely compatible.

Trump is freaked and making the Drs use everything at their disposal.

Things are worse than they are telling us.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Reply #43)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:30 PM

47. My only solace is this will take a toll regardless of science

I donít think itís wrong to feel satisfaction if Trump suffers long term effects from this. It feels like karma because itís self inflicted. Trump has gotten away with sooooo much during his Presidency. COVID isnít something he could bullshit away. Yes, his money and power probably saved his life where others would probably have died, but my hope is that this hits him right where it hurts the mostóhis fear of looking weak. You donít ďsnap backĒ from something like this even with the best of care. So I think I can be forgiven for hoping he pays for his own recklessness by having a long road back. No energy for rallies, looking weak and tired in public, etc.

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Response to crimycarny (Reply #47)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:33 PM

70. Agree, and he and his rich friends pay no taxes

yet have no problem helping themselves to the best taxpayer funded care - while many regular Americans died alone and went out in body bags.

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Response to crimycarny (Reply #47)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 05:54 PM

87. "I don't think it's wrong to feel satisfaction if Trump suffers long term effects from this. "

I agree. It's okay to have these types of evil thoughts and feelings as long as one does not act on them.

It is totally natural to feel what you feel -- and I feel the schadenfreude as well.

If he survives, it's probable his lungs and more will be scarred for life.

Peace to you.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:34 PM

49. Trump is suffering? That's Karma in action! Absolutely heaven sent!...

 

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:44 PM

51. Regeneron has a less than stellar history.

With a MS in Microbiology and an avid follower of pharma companies, I would not automatically think that because Trump got the Regeneron cocktail he has a big advantage. The company has a track record of cherry picking data going back to their previous treatments and little of it so far with the Covid cocktail has been reviewed independently. The Regeneron CEO and his son are Trump supporters and members of one of his golf clubs. Trump's financial disclosure showed large capital gains from Regeneron stock in 2017.

The Regeneron cocktail monoclonal science will likely be a blueprint for great future treatments, but likely is not a miracle in its current form. My hunch is it may just delay the inevitable second wave of virus symptoms that will hit Trump within the next week. The virus replicates and targets various organs over time. The cocktail may just postpone what is coming for Trump. As we learned in virology, viruses are quite resilient and bide their time.

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Response to Jon King (Reply #51)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:00 PM

58. Very enlightening

Thanks so much for posting. I donít know much about the science behind monoclonal antibodies and I had no idea about the ties between Regeneron and Trump. Very interesting...

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Response to Jon King (Reply #51)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:08 PM

63. Interesting, so the worst is yet to come?

What meds are left to try if that's the case?

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Response to Jon King (Reply #51)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 03:02 PM

75. People like you are one of the reasons I love DU.

There are experts in many fields here.
Great post.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 01:58 PM

57. K&R!

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 02:01 PM

59. They're obviously treating him much more aggressively than most of us would

be treated unless we were ready to be intubated--it's hard to say how much of that is his actual condition and how much of that is precaution. You'd have to look at the dangers and side effects of the medications and treatments for someone in his age group and prior health status to really say for sure what's going on. Maybe Gupta knows that the docs weighed the risks of the meds and still thought they had to proceed aggressively because he was deteriorating.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 03:15 PM

77. The silly photo op told the tale

Signing his name with a Sharpie in the middle of a random piece of blank paper, ethernet and USB cords dangling, unplugged, his face not made up and looking a little drawn. The quality was poor so I couldn't tell if he was a little dusky around the edges, but I would imagine he is since he's dumped his O2 sat. twice in the last 24 hours.

he seems to be as ill as I was when I had "preumptive." I'd feel sorry for him but he's done too much to piss me off.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 03:22 PM

78. That was obvious from the video Twitler released

I only watch a minute of it, but in that time he gasped for breath a couple of times. He sounded like my father on a very bad day (84M, AFIB, obese, COPD, etc). He will talk (deep breath) like this and (deep breath) this and so on.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 03:22 PM

79. Dr Conley is gaslighting us. He said trump is on remdesivir and has had 2 treatments thus far.

He then later said to reporter trump is on a 5 dose remdesivir treatment. So, to me that mean 3 more daily doses which means earliest he would go home would be Wednesday.

Dr Conley is a LIAR just like his boss Don the Con.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 04:04 PM

94. One can only hope. nt

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