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Thu Sep 17, 2020, 08:27 PM

Dr Fauci disappointed me during his interview with Chris Hayes.

He is trying to have it both ways. All he is doing is confusing people. Like arguing that in theory we would have a lot of doses by November and that we should trust the fda approval process.

Anybody with a brain can see that the fda has been coopted by political appointees.

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Reply Dr Fauci disappointed me during his interview with Chris Hayes. (Original post)
drray23 Sep 17 OP
LizBeth Sep 17 #1
montanacowboy Sep 17 #2
drray23 Sep 17 #10
LisaL Sep 17 #12
drray23 Sep 17 #14
tblue37 Sep 17 #15
Eliot Rosewater Sep 17 #3
samnsara Sep 17 #4
bdamomma Sep 17 #5
LisaL Sep 17 #7
tblue37 Sep 17 #16
LuckyCharms Sep 17 #6
LisaL Sep 17 #8
SunSeeker Sep 17 #24
LisaL Sep 17 #25
SunSeeker Sep 17 #27
LuckyCharms Sep 17 #30
TheRealNorth Sep 17 #9
Baitball Blogger Sep 17 #11
NRaleighLiberal Sep 17 #13
DrToast Sep 17 #18
NRaleighLiberal Sep 17 #26
DrToast Sep 17 #17
drray23 Sep 17 #19
DrToast Sep 17 #20
SophieJean Sep 17 #22
DrToast Sep 17 #28
radius777 Sep 18 #33
DrToast Sep 17 #21
Demonaut Sep 17 #23
SunSeeker Sep 17 #29
Mike Nelson Sep 18 #31
radius777 Sep 18 #32

Response to drray23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 08:28 PM

1. They all do.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 08:30 PM

2. It Was Pathetic

I am sick and tired of these Trump employees having it both ways.

Have some goddamn integrity. This bullshit is getting tiresome.

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Response to montanacowboy (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 08:55 PM

10. exactly. what does he have to lose ?

he had a long and illustrious carreer. He could retire, walk away from his job. I think hkm standing up to Trump and forcing him to fire him would have more impact than trying to stay and being overruled by political appointees.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:00 PM

12. Trump can't fire him.

Trump is not in charge of Fauci's job.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #12)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:01 PM

14. does not matter. he certainly will assert that right

even if not true. it would end up in court or Fauci would resign under pressure. Trump is not bothered by technicalities.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:02 PM

15. Trump doesn't have firing authority over Fauci's position.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 08:40 PM

3. The other MIND BOGGLING interview today...google Chris Rock

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 08:46 PM

4. i think hes trying to keep his job..if he goes we have no one

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Response to samnsara (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 08:49 PM

5. Yes he

is trying to hold on to his job. But he reiterated about wearing masks, washing hands, and social distancing.

I'm listening to the health experts.

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Response to samnsara (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 08:50 PM

7. Trump is not in charge of Fauci's job.

NT

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Response to samnsara (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:04 PM

16. Trump can't fire Fauci:

Under federal law, Trump doesn't have the power to directly fire Fauci, a career civil servant, and remove him from government. And while Trump could try ordering his political appointees to dismiss the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Fauci could appeal -- a time-consuming process.

The President does, however, have the power to sideline Fauci, keeping him away from press briefings and media interviews -- as has happened in recent weeks, though Fauci has proven adept at pushing his message through different channels.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/can-trump-fire-fauci-technically-no/ar-BB16H9nG

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 08:49 PM

6. A confusing statement concerning basketball.

Dr, Fauci said that he could be playing pickup basketball with Chris Hayes by the third or fourth quarter of this year.

Either I heard that wrong, or he meant to say next year. "This year" does not jibe with the other statements he made during the interview, and we are already almost into the fourth quarter of this year.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 08:51 PM

8. Definitely not this year.

As for next year, we have no clue if any vaccine is going to provide effective immunity and how long this immunity is going to last. Covid itself likely doesn't provide long lasting immunity.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:33 PM

24. Chris Hayes announced at the end of the show that Fauci misspoke, he meant 3rd/4th Q 2021.

Fauci mean to say next year, not this year.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:34 PM

25. Even that might be overly optimistic.

So far we don't know if they are going to have safe and effective vaccine.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:35 PM

27. Agreed, especially if Trump is reelected.

But if Biden is elected, he can push each state to have a mask mandate, and he can order it on all federal property. If 90% of us wore masks, that would bring the pandemic under control in 6-12 weeks. Even without a vaccine.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:46 PM

30. Thank you for this.

I was hoping that there would be a correction/explanation.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 08:52 PM

9. My guess is Fauci had orders from the top

Otherwise, I don't see them letting him do an interview for Chris Hayes.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 08:58 PM

11. I don't like people that try to play it both ways.

Especially when they have important jobs in science. We are in a fight for our lives over science vs. political co-option.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:01 PM

13. they all lack courage...seduced by the $$$. Sad.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:07 PM

18. lol yes, career civil servant chasing that money

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Response to DrToast (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:35 PM

26. they've all been disgusting at times, bowing to trump.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:07 PM

17. Oh no Fauci won't go along with your conspiracy theories

Biden and Harris trust Fauci, but what do they know, huh?

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Response to DrToast (Reply #17)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:08 PM

19. what the hell are you talking about ?

what conspiracy theory ? did you watch the interview ?

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Response to drray23 (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:14 PM

20. We will have a lot of doses available by then

And until there is reason not to, you SHOULD trust the FDA approval process.

Hell, the FDA cant even approve a vaccine until its submitted for approval. So its not even up to the FDA until that happens.

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Response to DrToast (Reply #20)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:28 PM

22. There's no reason to trust the FDA

Under Hahn's "leadership, " he's already proven who he is loyal to, and it's not the American people.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-08-25/hahn-plasma-credibility

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Response to SophieJean (Reply #22)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:38 PM

28. Hahn does not approve vaccines

It's done under the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research at the FDA, which is led by Peter Marks.


Marks told Reuters he has not faced any political pressure and that the FDA would be guided by science alone. Should that change, I could not stand by and see something that was unsafe or ineffective that was being put through, Marks said.

You have to decide where your red line is, and thats my red line, he said. I would feel obligated (to resign) because in doing so, I would indicate to the American public that theres something wrong.


Also: Senior FDA career executives: We're following the science to protect public health in pandemic


And as I said, it's not even up to the FDA until its submitted for approval.

Basically Trump is trying to have this fantasy where he can get a vaccine approved early and ya'll are falling for it hook line and sinker.

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Response to DrToast (Reply #28)

Fri Sep 18, 2020, 04:53 AM

33. Big pharma corps (which are pro-GOP) control the trials

and could rush or manipulate the trials to the get data they need that would help Trump get his October surprise.

Any vaccine approval released before the election is de facto political in nature and not to be trusted.

If these companies and gov't agencies care so much about the public buying into the vaccine (and vaccination) they would wait until after the election to do any approval.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:17 PM

21. "Yes. I trust Dr. Fauci." -Kamala Harris

Maybe, just maybe Fauci knows a thing or two about this stuff. Hes only been doing it his entire career.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:30 PM

23. so you got a brain

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:40 PM

29. Fauci misspoke. Chris Hayes announced at the end of the show that Fauci meant 3rd/4th Q next year.

Not this year.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2020, 03:52 AM

31. Well...

...it is disappointing to see him pass on disclosing some information. He could tell us what he really thinks about Crooked Donald, and resign... but it's still good he has his regular job and can blow the whistle if they try to push something that is not safe.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Fri Sep 18, 2020, 04:06 AM

32. I don't trust Fauci - he's another Mueller type

who 'the Resistance' views as some type of savior but is just another establishment white guy who wants to keep his spot at the country club - fuck him.

A true patriot would come out and condemn Trump and Hahn's attempts to politicize the FDA and the CDC, and should denounce the release of any vaccine before Election Day as it would be viewed as a political stunt and thus distrusted by half of the electorate.

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