Thu Sep 17, 2020, 05:10 PM
Roland99 (53,230 posts)
trump is DANGEROUSLY pushing misinfo about 100 million doses of a Covid vaccine within 6 weeksLink to tweet is spreading false and dangerous information. NO vaccine in the US has passed Phase 3 trials. To have 100 million doses ready in the next 6 weeks is beyond irresponsible and dangerous!
https://nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html This is maddening to see a sitting US president so scared and so threatened that he is pushing incredibly dangerous misinformation and propaganda to help ensure more support in the upcoming election!
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Author | Time | Post |
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Roland99 | Sep 2020 | OP |
Klaralven | Sep 2020 | #1 | |
TheBlackAdder | Sep 2020 | #2 | |
Klaralven | Sep 2020 | #6 | |
TheBlackAdder | Sep 2020 | #8 | |
ProfessorGAC | Sep 2020 | #14 | |
lame54 | Sep 2020 | #15 | |
Roland99 | Sep 2020 | #3 | |
Thekaspervote | Sep 2020 | #4 | |
tulipsandroses | Sep 2020 | #5 | |
Klaralven | Sep 2020 | #10 | |
underpants | Sep 2020 | #12 | |
jcgoldie | Sep 2020 | #13 | |
cwydro | Sep 2020 | #7 | |
beachbumbob | Sep 2020 | #9 | |
underpants | Sep 2020 | #11 |
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 05:21 PM
Klaralven (7,510 posts)
1. The leading manufacturers have been given $billions to begin high volume manufacturing
The major manufacturers are all making vaccine “at-risk,” meaning they are already working to produce at commercial scale, even before they determine whether their vaccine candidate actually works. The goal is to have large amounts available for use as soon as the Food and Drug Administration green-lights a vaccine. If some candidates fail to clear the FDA’s bar, that product will be destroyed.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/20/covid19-vaccines-merck-moderna-congress/ |
Response to Klaralven (Reply #1)
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 05:27 PM
TheBlackAdder (26,603 posts)
2. What are the odds Trump's FDA green lights almost all, even with no efficacy, to meet 100M mark?
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And, if a vaccine has some efficacy, they really won't know how much it actually is in the field. You'll have a bunch of people receiving vaccines that are anywhere from 0-40 plus percent effective and walking around as though they are now immune from contracting it--only to subject themselves and their families and others to infection. . |
Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #2)
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 05:41 PM
Klaralven (7,510 posts)
6. Pretty good.
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Response to Klaralven (Reply #6)
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 05:46 PM
TheBlackAdder (26,603 posts)
8. The Old IT saying: Do you want it Delivered Quickly, Correctly or Inexpensively. Pick 2 of the 3.
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That's a good visual Venn of this. . |
Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #8)
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 03:40 PM
ProfessorGAC (59,108 posts)
14. Not Just IT, BA
I've heard civil engineers say that for decades in the early phases of a big expansion, or rebuild! (Especially during the estimating phase.)
Also, project managers operate in that way on most capital projects. So, it's quite pervasive, and they're all totally correct. We can only have 2 of the three. |
Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #2)
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 03:43 PM
lame54 (34,001 posts)
15. No more need for a mask
Response to Klaralven (Reply #1)
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 05:29 PM
Roland99 (53,230 posts)
3. The scary part of that article
In the U.S., manufacturers are shielded from liability if a vaccine or drug developed in response to a health emergency causes injuries to people who receive it. That protection comes from the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act of 2005.
If that protection were not in place, would vaccine manufacturers be willing to roll out vaccines on such a slight evidence base? Will they make them available to countries that don’t offer similar protection against liability? |
Response to Klaralven (Reply #1)
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 05:37 PM
Thekaspervote (29,656 posts)
4. 9 drug co. Working on the vaccine issued a joint statement saying they would not be pushed
Politically to release a vaccine whose safety and efficacy has not been proven- including moderna.
It is SOP for a drug companies to begin some production of a drug or vaccine ahead of time, production costs pennies. That means nothing as to when it will be released Moderna also said said maybe ...it will have results of phase 3 by thanksgiving. That is not a vaccine ready for use. https://www.businessinsider.com/moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-phase-3-clinical-trial-2020-7 |
Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 05:40 PM
tulipsandroses (4,634 posts)
5. So lets just say he's right. How does he plan to implement distribution? We still don't have enough
testing for crying out loud. But we are going to be effective at getting millions vaccinated under these bumbling idiots?
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Response to tulipsandroses (Reply #5)
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 06:02 PM
Klaralven (7,510 posts)
10. Yes, and there's a problem distributing vaccines at -80 degrees Celsius
Now, ‘freezer farms’ for potential Covid-19 vaccine delivery
https://pharmaceuticalcommerce.com/cold-chain-focus/now-freezer-farms-for-potential-covid-19-vaccine-delivery/ |
Response to Klaralven (Reply #10)
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 03:32 PM
underpants (176,754 posts)
12. I'd heard that UPS has been planning on this
The vehicles still are problematic
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Response to tulipsandroses (Reply #5)
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 03:33 PM
jcgoldie (10,526 posts)
13. He's awesome at distribution
Nobody distributes like Trump...
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 05:44 PM
cwydro (50,511 posts)
7. Anyone who believes anything he says must be insane.
There's nothing he could say about anything that I'd believe.
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 05:57 PM
beachbumbob (9,263 posts)
9. who cares? Nobody around here is going to trust what comes out under trump admin
ZERO trust
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 03:26 PM
underpants (176,754 posts)
11. I thought this was going to be part of their strategy
and really should be. I mean it’s not like facts or not wanting to get caught lying ever holds them back.
Get the message out that they do have a vaccine. The cult will repeat ANYTHING they are told. I’m surprised I’m not seeing more of it. |