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Laelth

(32,017 posts)
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 08:47 PM Sep 2020

I nominate General James Mattis for Secretary of Defense in the Biden administration.

If you have read Bob Woodward’s book, Rage, you will fully understand. Mattis is a true patriot, the epitome of what it means to be a GOOD public servant and a tireless steward of America’s military might who is committed to civilian control of the military.

I don’t know whether or not this is what the author intended, but Mattis is the STAR of the first half of Woodward’s latest book.



-Laelth

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I nominate General James Mattis for Secretary of Defense in the Biden administration. (Original Post) Laelth Sep 2020 OP
No. NT enough Sep 2020 #1
I'm with you on this! A Big Fucking NO! Nothing from this Shithole Trump Administration. TheBlackAdder Sep 2020 #18
Trump fired him, you know. Laelth Sep 2020 #22
He's fired almost everyone he hired. No one w/strings attached, no matter how small or burnt. TheBlackAdder Sep 2020 #23
I hear you. Laelth Sep 2020 #27
It's a good thing we can respect someone for doing the right thing... ahoysrcsm Sep 2020 #68
NO, Mattis' mother would be a better pick. But we have many good people already JI7 Sep 2020 #2
His mother asked why he would work for a beast like Trump. Laelth Sep 2020 #5
That doesn't mean he should be defense sec for Biden. JI7 Sep 2020 #7
No. Clean house, and no redux. Totally Tunsie Sep 2020 #3
THIS! 👍 TheBlackAdder Sep 2020 #19
+1 K&R onetexan Sep 2020 #45
Mattis is intense anti-Iran hawk. He was real problem for Obama during Kerry's nuclear negotiations hlthe2b Sep 2020 #4
He WAS an anti-Iran hawk, at one point. Laelth Sep 2020 #29
ThAT was what attracted TRUMP/caused him to hire him! hlthe2b Sep 2020 #33
I am reading Woodward's new book. Laelth Sep 2020 #39
There's no evidence of that assertion. TwilightZone Sep 2020 #36
Really? I hear you, but people can and do change their minds. Laelth Sep 2020 #37
Biden wouldn't be that stupid. tman Sep 2020 #6
The only possible holdover may be Wray at the FBI Wanderlust988 Sep 2020 #8
Fuck that. Comey had a term. Everyone must go. GusFring Sep 2020 #66
No. Hell No. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #9
no thank you ornotna Sep 2020 #10
We at least ought to change the name back to the War Department. Ron Green Sep 2020 #11
I mean. We can do worse (and have) jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #12
No, he helped Trump get elected. LisaM Sep 2020 #13
I want a freaking DEMOCRAT in all cabinet positions rurallib Sep 2020 #14
If Biden puts ANY repugs in the cabinet SharonClark Sep 2020 #52
Mattis has a wealth of knowledge and should be used in an advisory capacity for that reason Snake Plissken Sep 2020 #15
It's not just a wealth of knowledge. Laelth Sep 2020 #20
He made an excellent point. BGBD Sep 2020 #51
Precisely. Laelth Sep 2020 #63
No, he had his chance. dawg day Sep 2020 #16
Absolutely blueinredohio Sep 2020 #32
No!!!! jrthin Sep 2020 #17
I can appreciate that, but i'll leave the choice to Biden. nt BootinUp Sep 2020 #21
Naturally, I agree. This is Joe's choice and Joe's decision. Laelth Sep 2020 #26
He's a holdover WhiteTara Sep 2020 #24
Malcolm Nance superpatriotman Sep 2020 #25
I admit that Nance would make a good Sec. of Defense. Laelth Sep 2020 #46
HARD pass. awesomerwb1 Sep 2020 #28
Wesley Clark gulliver Sep 2020 #30
Clark is 75 and definitely retired. Laelth Sep 2020 #43
Well, you nominated Mattis. How old is he? SharonClark Sep 2020 #53
70 ribrepin Sep 2020 #56
Mattis is 70. Definitely no Spring chicken. n/t Laelth Sep 2020 #59
Tammy Baldwin? panader0 Sep 2020 #67
NO MORE FUCKING REPUBLICANS IN DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATIONS. milestogo Sep 2020 #31
totally agree !! RicROC Sep 2020 #35
No. Obama fired him because he wanted aggressive action against Iran, while the Obam administration still_one Sep 2020 #34
No! Just no! VMA131Marine Sep 2020 #38
Please elaborate. Laelth Sep 2020 #41
Nope. Nope. Autumn Sep 2020 #40
No thanks. 2naSalit Sep 2020 #42
Nope..nt helpisontheway Sep 2020 #44
No. We have had enough of him. Polly Hennessey Sep 2020 #47
Good Lord, NO! Bucky Sep 2020 #48
LOL. I am reading Woodward's book. Laelth Sep 2020 #62
No. CentralMass Sep 2020 #49
No, he did the nation no favor. No, he is on board with the right just Trump wasn't nice enough to LizBeth Sep 2020 #50
Add me to the no column Rice4VP Sep 2020 #54
In public he's a coward by HIS silence. GeorgeGist Sep 2020 #55
I like having him in Washington state ribrepin Sep 2020 #57
Mattis - No Stavridis - Yes whistler162 Sep 2020 #58
Interesting option. Laelth Sep 2020 #60
HELL NO! mindfulNJ Sep 2020 #61
No, please, no NewJeffCT Sep 2020 #64
Lol nope. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2020 #65
Thankfully, this will never happen eissa Sep 2020 #69

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
22. Trump fired him, you know.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:16 PM
Sep 2020

Trump fired him because he was more loyal to the Constitution and to the people of the United States than he was to Trump.

Chapter 1 of Woodward’s book is focused entirely on Mattis. In chapter 17, Mattis is a bad-ass. The book is worth reading.

-Laelth

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
27. I hear you.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:24 PM
Sep 2020

But I hope you read Woodward’s new book. I have gained tremendous respect for Mattis as a result of doing so.

-Laelth

ahoysrcsm

(888 posts)
68. It's a good thing we can respect someone for doing the right thing...
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 10:54 PM
Sep 2020

However, we should not bring anyone that has been with Trump administration. We do not need extra baggage with tainted individuals.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
5. His mother asked why he would work for a beast like Trump.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 08:56 PM
Sep 2020

Mattis replied by saying, in effect, “Mom, I am working for the Constitution, not Trump.” Mom relented and said, “All right. All right.”

If you have read Woodward’s book, you will know why we were very fortunate to have Mattis as our Secretary of Defense during the early years of the Trump administration.

Note: the Senate approved Mattis’ 2017 nomination 98-1. He even got Bernie Sanders’ support. I have not yet determined who that one dissenting Senator was.

-Laelth

hlthe2b

(103,462 posts)
4. Mattis is intense anti-Iran hawk. He was real problem for Obama during Kerry's nuclear negotiations
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 08:52 PM
Sep 2020

So, I suspect Biden may have issues with him.

Still, I do respect Mattis for his past service.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
29. He WAS an anti-Iran hawk, at one point.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:26 PM
Sep 2020

I suspect that his position on that matter has changed.

-Laelth

hlthe2b

(103,462 posts)
33. ThAT was what attracted TRUMP/caused him to hire him!
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:31 PM
Sep 2020

WHAT evidence do you have for making that assumption?

TwilightZone

(26,010 posts)
36. There's no evidence of that assertion.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:43 PM
Sep 2020

You might want to review why Obama fired him in the first place. Expecting that he's done a 180 since then simply isn't realistic.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
37. Really? I hear you, but people can and do change their minds.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:50 PM
Sep 2020

I highly recommend Woodward’s new book.

-Laelth

tman

(1,052 posts)
6. Biden wouldn't be that stupid.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 08:57 PM
Sep 2020

There was a reason he was let go during the Obama admin.

I don't trust Woodward.

 

Wanderlust988

(522 posts)
8. The only possible holdover may be Wray at the FBI
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 08:57 PM
Sep 2020

and that's only cause he has a term. I highly doubt there will be ANY holdovers or retreads from the Trump era. Powell at the Fed will probably be a holdover due to him having a term as well.

LisaM

(28,002 posts)
13. No, he helped Trump get elected.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 08:59 PM
Sep 2020

It's like Colin Powell and Bush. He gave Candidate Trump legitimacy that he did not deserve (a Trump voter from my hometown was raving about Mattis before the 2016 election, though she went radio silent on him later).

He does not deserve any reward.

rurallib

(62,685 posts)
14. I want a freaking DEMOCRAT in all cabinet positions
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:00 PM
Sep 2020

especially Defense and Treasury.

We have tons of experienced people.

SharonClark

(10,043 posts)
52. If Biden puts ANY repugs in the cabinet
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 12:46 AM
Sep 2020

he’ll be betraying all the Dems who brought him to the dance.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
15. Mattis has a wealth of knowledge and should be used in an advisory capacity for that reason
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:00 PM
Sep 2020

But this opinions on how we should position ourselves in the Middle East are unrealistic and very dated.

He would want nothing more that a large scale military conflict with Iran, which as we all know would never end and accomplish nothing but even more misery.

We need a Secretary of Defense who understands that what's in the best interest of the United States is to get out of that region of the world and focus energy independence to reduce the influence of that region of the world, and not to increase our presence there.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
20. It's not just a wealth of knowledge.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:13 PM
Sep 2020

Chapter 17 of Woodward’s book explains how Mattis manhandled his Chinese counterpart, and it’s a thing of beauty. Mattis’ handling of the affair almost certainly prevented a war with China.

-Laelth

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
51. He made an excellent point.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:05 PM
Sep 2020

The Chinese have absolutely no officers with combat experience in their military.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
63. Precisely.
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:04 AM
Sep 2020

Mattis let his counterpart know, in no uncertain terms, that if it came to war, the US would kick China’s a**.

-Laelth

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
16. No, he had his chance.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:02 PM
Sep 2020

If he would have come out loudly and publically and told us what he knew about Trump when he resigned, I would have more respect for him...
and Dan Coats...
And John Kelly...
And Kjirsten Nielsen...

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
26. Naturally, I agree. This is Joe's choice and Joe's decision.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:22 PM
Sep 2020

But make no mistake. Mattis is the star of the first half of Woodward’s new book, and we could do a lot worse.

Mattis was confirmed by the Senate 98-1. He even had Bernie Sanders’s support, and Woodward’s book makes it clear that we were very fortunate to have him as our Secretary of Defense during the early years of the Trump administration.

-Laelth

WhiteTara

(29,822 posts)
24. He's a holdover
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:21 PM
Sep 2020

war criminal from the Iraq war foisted off on the world by *co. He used phosphorous in Fallujah.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
46. I admit that Nance would make a good Sec. of Defense.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:20 PM
Sep 2020

Clark is 75 and definitely retired. I don’t see that happening.

-Laelth

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
43. Clark is 75 and definitely retired.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:12 PM
Sep 2020

Don’t we have someone younger who would make a good Secretary of Defense?



-Laelth

RicROC

(1,211 posts)
35. totally agree !!
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:34 PM
Sep 2020

...and no reaching across the aisle until we have this mess straightened out. Those men mentioned in this original post knew what Trump was like, JUST AS WE DID. Yet, they joined his administration. Sorry...but every crumb needs to be swept out.

still_one

(93,667 posts)
34. No. Obama fired him because he wanted aggressive action against Iran, while the Obam administration
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:31 PM
Sep 2020

was negotiating the Iran nuclear deal

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
41. Please elaborate.
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:54 PM
Sep 2020

Who are our better options for Secretary of Defense? I am genuinely curious.



-Laelth

Bucky

(54,495 posts)
48. Good Lord, NO!
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:38 PM
Sep 2020

What are you smoking, Laelth?

Mattis is a loyal and patriotic American, and I'm grateful that he tried to curtail the worst of Trump's excesses for as long as he could. But he's also a champion for Trump's absurd and obscene military buildup that kicked off this four year long heartbreaking shit-charade

But we need a Democrat with defense department oversight experience who can get in there and slash the ridiculously bloated military budget.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
62. LOL. I am reading Woodward's book.
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 08:59 AM
Sep 2020

I might smoke it when I am done.



Mattis is portrayed very favorably by Woodward. The Senate confirmed Mattis 98-1. I am not the only Democrat who likes him.

-Laelth

LizBeth

(9,989 posts)
50. No, he did the nation no favor. No, he is on board with the right just Trump wasn't nice enough to
Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:01 PM
Sep 2020

him. No.

Rice4VP

(1,235 posts)
54. Add me to the no column
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 12:57 AM
Sep 2020

He had a chance to publicly expose Trump while he was in there and didn’t

ribrepin

(1,746 posts)
57. I like having him in Washington state
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 04:50 AM
Sep 2020

He does public service announcements for wearing a mask. I like having General Mattis home. He's earned his retirement.

mindfulNJ

(2,378 posts)
61. HELL NO!
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 08:55 AM
Sep 2020

No one who has EVER propped up Trump in ANY way should EVER be anywhere NEAR the White House. Where is Mattis NOW????

NewJeffCT

(56,832 posts)
64. No, please, no
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 09:09 AM
Sep 2020

Mattis is a good general, but Biden should bring in his own people

Sec Def - Pete Buttigieg

eissa

(4,238 posts)
69. Thankfully, this will never happen
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 11:05 PM
Sep 2020

Biden won’t appoint someone who was fired by Obama. I don’t care how “patriotic” Mattis is portrayed to be, I question the morals and judgment of anyone who endorsed this SOB and then chose to work for him. There are plenty of other qualified people out there without trump’s shit smeared over them. Mattis can do the patriotic thing and spend the rest of his days atoning for the mess he helped create.

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