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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJFC - Fuck Bob Woodward too!
I don't want to change the subject from this absolutely devastating book and the tapes that go along with it, but fuck!!!!!
How could you be a fucking journalist and NOT fucking put these tapes out months ago?
How many Americans died because the president lied to the country... and a fucking reporter KNEW?
Donnie Shit for Brains not only needs to get his ass kicked this November, he needs to be charged with negligent homicide!
If this revelation doesn't kill the entire Retrumplican Party, this country deserves to fucking die!
And now, they'll fucking normalize this shit by saying; "he didn't want to cause a panic".
My God, this evil fuckstick and his asspickle enablers and defenders need to be fucking removed from society so they can't do any more damage.
They are nothing but a fucking threat to humanity.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
Traildogbob
(8,797 posts)I know he did magic tricks, but Jesus fucking Christ would be difficult. Some species are asexual but I am impressed with this trick from Gods boy. If we could do this, rape would absolute.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Did you skip that lesson in Sunday School?
-Laelth
Traildogbob
(8,797 posts)Works in strange ways as they say.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)You definitely need to bone up, so to speak, on your kiddie-level Christian dogma.
-Laelth
Traildogbob
(8,797 posts)I lost interest in the cult as soon as I could think on my own. I do remember in the Olden days of Sunday school we were forced to attend that Jesus and Gods love and protection from evil was the highlighted messaging, fear of fire was a big part to lure you and keep you. We sure could use some mysterious Fish And Bread magic and caring for poor, sick, and elderly about now. But that dont sell. The dream of being a Devos, Graham, Falwell and Olsteen millionaire is the new message in the book of mysterious magic. But ya gotta hate, get rid of colored people standing in you way to get there, then get to streets of gold, Mansions on hills, and 70+ teenage virgins for eternity. Never could understand how that did not sell Trump to religion. Then I realized, he would never play second fiddle to power of God or Jesus.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
onecaliberal
(32,894 posts)ihas2stinkyfeet
(1,400 posts)like he needs the money from another book?!?!
Laffy Kat
(16,386 posts)There's really only one reason: to sell books.
BComplex
(8,064 posts)This should have come to light almost 200,000 deaths ago.
What a money-grabbing POS.
ananda
(28,876 posts)And don't watch normalizing TV!
BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)Well what about Bob Woodward, he knew Trump said it, what about him? or something along those lines.
Im not saying you arent right to be mad. Im saying the Trumpian defense will be along similar lines.
maxrandb
(15,351 posts)How many lives could have been saved if these tapes had come out 150K deaths ago?
And let's never forget... the Retrumplican Party had an opportunity to remove this asspickle from office and they didn't even call one fucking witness
BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)Celerity
(43,499 posts)They much later did post-mortem testing that kicked it back to February 6th. Trump COMPLETELY knew in January how extremely dangerous it was but was still publicly insinuating or giving a wink and a nod that it was a hoax until near APRIL. He fucked off for at least 2 months, knowing how bad it was the whole time. I am sure he eas under orders from the Kremlin.
He needs to be given a fair trial and executed if that is proven. Not locked away, hung like the traitor he is. Many others should join him on the gallows. I am NOT having a laugh. I am deadly serious. If he skates the country is DONE. The next bad POTUS will start out at or near Trump level madness and extend it further.
AdamGG
(1,294 posts)If Putin wanted our federal COVID response to be maximally mishandled to create maximum damage and chaos, there isn't a single thing that would be changed. Hydroxychloroquine? Injecting disenfectant and internal blacklights?
The fact that Trump still polls within 10 points in any swing state is a disgrace. He is still far more in the game than any interpretation of reality should allow.
Celerity
(43,499 posts)He is every that is bad about the US rolled up into a sociopathic, narcissistic fat ball of orange carnival barker.
He is a 'worst of all that is bad about us' magnet AND megaphone.
He unleashed and then expands the inner demons of 100 million suckers, violent, racist, sexist, brainwashed, drunk with religious delusion, greedy, and hateful, fearful selfish suckers and fuckers.
sigh and yet rage as well I do
ace3csusm
(969 posts)Woodward didnt have first hand knowledge of events, who else was in the room when they where told that it was 5 times more deadly, please dont let the President and his cabinet off the hook this..It was Feb 7th unless Woodward is a fortune teller how could he know what we where heading toward, dont forget Woodward wasnt voted into off its all on The President...
BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)Talk to the OP.
ace3csusm
(969 posts)Well what about Bob Woodward, he knew Trump said it, what about him? just agreeing with you on that others would say about Bob, just trying to add that this isnt on him and not let Trump try and push that narrative to blame others...Sorry it you took it in any other way...
BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)maxrandb
(15,351 posts)It's perfectly acceptable to hold Donnie Shit for Brains and the entire Retrumplican Party accountable for negligent homicide , while also holding Woodward accountable for withholding tapes that could have saved 100K+ American lives.
That's my point. It's why my first reaction to this was JFC!!!!
How could you be a journalist and withhold this info?
Hell, how could you be a fucking human being and withhold this info???
I posted a comment earlier today in another thread about this and got the 'poor bob woodward innocent as the sky is blue' response.
Thanks for the OP - needs to be said loudly and proudly.
hjh3rd
(25 posts)I agree it would not have been appropriate to say something last spring before everything blew up, but when things went to hell, he should have come forward. I am sick of all these reporters on holding off reporting serious issues until they could put it in a book (hello NY Times political reporters). That also goes for people like Peter Strzok as well. Dont come out and say I know something devastating about Trump, but I cant tell you. Well Mr Strzok can just sit back down and keep quiet since he isnt contributing to the overall discourse and lends credence that all the information about Trump is all a lie. I am so sick of these faux patriots come forth to make a buck while the country burns. Rant over...
mjvpi
(1,389 posts)Calling out Woodward in no way lets the President off of the hook
Griefbird
(96 posts)When did Trump ever tell the truth?
dchill
(38,532 posts)... costs Trump a vote. Or two or three.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)Trump would have done what he did anyhow, and his minions would have gone along with it. He and the GOP would have just claimed the tape was fake or doctored.
mtngirl47
(991 posts)But Woodward should have told us what Trump said.
still_one
(92,394 posts)how dangerous the virus in
In addition, there is much more in this book, and the full story had to be told
demmiblue
(36,885 posts)rurallib
(62,448 posts)and make up lies.
My first thought when hearing this was 'why didn't he say something earlier?' I will have to admit the timing here should come close to the knockout punch for Trump.
There is now little time to make up lies to counter Woodward's story. After the news on what he said about our troops, most news media is being more skeptical about what Trump says.
He seems to have little room for diversion either right now.
While I feel Woodward maybe should have sounded an alarm, I doubt the administration nor any of the fucking Republican governors who have greatly failed their states would have done anything different.
So maybe the timing is for the better.
SophieJean
(83 posts)except too many people no longer can. But Woodward will make money from his book, and that's all that matters in shithole Amerika.
rurallib
(62,448 posts)I just don't think that exposure earlier would have stopped anything and the master of diversion would have had it buried within couple of days. Maybe some would have been saved, but I doubt masking would have been required or PPE provided etc.
There were times last summer when I thought that Trump had finally stepped in it big time only to have a something else divert attention and the original problem was buried. I can vaguely remember what some of the incidents were.
For one I thought the huge outbreak of protests spontaneously across the country would be a death knell. Couple of months later they are but another blip on the continuum of Trump fuck-ups.
Also by now America's short term memory would have forgotten about a statement back in February.
I don't give two hoots about Woodward. These statements coming right before the election will be hard to bury. Coming on the heels of his statements about "sucker and loser" soldiers really exposes him. I am so hopeful that the two together will finally seal the coffin on his presidency.
Maybe his statements will also cause a bunch of senators to be beaten and the scourge of today's Republican Party will finally fall apart.
Believe me, I have much sympathy for every family that has suffered a covid loss. Each a tragedy that should never have happened.
calimary
(81,466 posts)There are now 191,755 people who no longer can. No longer can - do ANYTHING. They're dead from COVID.
With almost 6.4 MILLION confirmed cases. That's the most recent data as of this writing anyway (shortly after 8pm, Pacific time).
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)that were available at the time. The extent to which it is airborne (as opposed to droplet-borne) was still being debated as recently as July, but the fact that it is a respiratory disease that is transmitted from person to person through breathing, coughing, etc., was public knowledge in February. I started avoiding people as soon as cases were reported in my state in early March.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Always has been.
LeftInTX
(25,551 posts)agingdem
(7,857 posts)more than likely if the book and tapes had come out earlier we would have forgotten all about it..we were kind of preoccupied with Trump's deadly virus and the George Floyd murder..can anyone remember anything about Bolton's book other than he was congressional hearing subpoena defying no-show?.. Woodward is a prick but now is the right time...
Docreed2003
(16,875 posts)Klaralven
(7,510 posts)The top levels of the White House and National Security establishment would have known the true situation as well.
ace3csusm
(969 posts)They could have come forward ...
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)to tell the truth about what Trump knew because they were part of his administration. They knew it, too, and they didn't come forward either.
Claustrum
(4,846 posts)This shows they are hypocrites and putting a different stance in front of the camera and in private. It might have forced them to admit and treat COVID seriously. Or at least, not as anti-mask and anti-science as they stood.
George II
(67,782 posts)still_one
(92,394 posts)The book covers a lot more than just the handling of the virus
Getting the full story out was critical
I dont know if it will, but this should destroy trump and the republicans who gave him a free pass
The quotes from Fauci, Mattis, and others in this book are damning
If this doesnt destroy Trump, and the republicans who backed him, the country is finished
intheflow
(28,501 posts)Publishers love to control the marketing. I wouldn't assume this is on Woodward alone,
still_one
(92,394 posts)things before coming forward due to trumps history of exaggeration and lies
Botany
(70,581 posts)TeamPooka
(24,254 posts)James48
(4,440 posts)What book?
What tapes?
What did I miss?
still_one
(92,394 posts)with trumps permission, he indicts himself
It is damning
I wont be surprised if he resigns and Pence becomes president, and Pence pardons him
PaulRevere08
(449 posts)to feel he could. And if it gets to the SCOTUS, who knows what could happen.
still_one
(92,394 posts)OldManTarHeel
(435 posts)Not gonna happen.
still_one
(92,394 posts)He can take a lot of republicans down with this if he stays in
niyad
(113,552 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)In addition to the Swift Boat Veterans kerfuffle, which got PLENTY of media time for a bullshit hit job on John Kerry, the media were mildly interested in the shenanigans of the Bush administration and the possibility it was spying on American citizens. But the story never got any real traction, and remained a very minor side issue through election day.
Then, in December (with the election safely salted away for W) the New York Times broke the story that the Bush administration had indeed been using the CIA to spy on private citizens. The Times had sat on this bombshell story for months before the election. The stated rationale was that they didn't want to unduly influence the election outcome by publishing such a damning revelation that might have forced a reckoning of the Bush administration. Oh, they gave plenty of space to thoroughly air the Swift Boat lies, because, uh, journalism, but domestic spying by the incumbent administration wasn't something the American people really needed to know about in advance of casting their ballots.
And now, 16 years later, Bob Woodward has information that not just the Trump administration but Trump himself knew what was going on in the early days of the pandemic. But instead of telling the world about it to possibly prompt action that could have saved thousands of lives, Woodward sat on the information so he could sell more books several months later.
200,000 pandemic victims were not available for comment.
still_one
(92,394 posts)about the virus in the book.
There is no ambiguity how dangerous the virus is now, and look how many people still dont wear masks or social distancing
A lot of other information in this book needed to be brought out regarding just how dangerous he is. The book needed to be completed.
The book being released 2 months before the election should be a game changer
I would not be surprised if he resigned, and had Pence pardon him
Squidly
(783 posts)could be the direct cause of 2 presidents resigning...and the only 2 in history to do so.
still_one
(92,394 posts)Tribetime
(4,702 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)depraved indifference
and if his editor knew this, its a conspiracy
lock them all up
Thekaspervote
(32,793 posts)Look..
How many people b4 Woodward said the very same things and it made NO difference to his blinded cult or the complicit gop??!!
Can we just not pile on...please!
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)It takes time to edit the tapes and write the book.
I think the timing is working fine.
Nothing new really. Just proof of what we already knew.
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)There was a lot of preparation for this bombshell. But its out there now, lets run with it and use it to our advantage.
And lets not shoot the messenger prematurely.
I do respect the righteous rant!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Thank you. It's nice to see that instead of continual hand-wringing and overwrought hair-on-fire-O-M-G rants that one typically encounters on the internet.
Kaleva
(36,342 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)Silent3
(15,265 posts)I'm not sure. The Republicans have become so adept at rationalizing everything away, I doubt this would have made any difference, and by now it would be just another ho-hum, half-forgotten Trump scandal among far too many.
These revelations will probably have more impact now, closer to the election, before they sink into the memory hole.
Texin
(2,597 posts)I am sitting here and shaking my head that a so-called journalist kept silent about this. I actually had seen videos coming out of China via Twitter at the end of December and moving into January, so it doesn't surprise me that there was a brewing knowledge about this virus threat and how lethal it could be. But to actually hear that tRump had been apprised about it evidently earlier than February 7 and misled Americans (those not up on this virus threat at least) about its severity and how much of a raging contagion it is, is absolutely enraging. It's always been about "window dressing" for him. He ought to be dragged out of the WH by his outrageous orange monstrosity of a head and strung upside down Mussolini-style on the south lawn to be bird fodder and target practice for raging mobs.
KS Toronado
(17,317 posts)maxrandb
(15,351 posts)aquamarina
(1,865 posts)He should have made this info public ASAP. He single-handedly could have saved thousands of lives by forcing this information into the public arena. This reveal is shocking on so many levels.
Efilroft Sul
(3,581 posts)KS Toronado
(17,317 posts)he and his cronies were to busy figuring out how to make money off of this pandemic.
It's why he talks like it's under control, open schools, wearing masks don't help, etc.
Appears he's doing everything to keep the virus alive and well, to enrich himself.
Celerity
(43,499 posts)deny it all.
KS Toronado
(17,317 posts)King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)PaulRevere08
(449 posts)about the average citizen in this country.
Stardust
(3,894 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Woodward coming out with these tapes would have made zero difference. The information was being reported in other media sources and by scientists.
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)FUCK HIM.
GREEDY BASTARD.
guyfromla
(49 posts)What were they thinking bumping up the ego of this ego-maniac??
tblue37
(65,487 posts)won't get it. Remember, Abe of Japan nominated him last year.
LaMouffette
(2,039 posts)This information would probably not have had the same impact that it's having today if he had publicized it early on, like in March. Many people, especially Trump supporters, still would have been unimpressed by the virus as long as Trump was publicly downplaying it.
But If Woodward had come out with this information and the audiotapes in June or July when places like New York were being hardest hit, maybe he could have had an impact and saved tens of thousands of lives.
maxrandb
(15,351 posts)while the Retrumplican Senate was exonerating the fuckstick
IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,077 posts)... I said that 20 years ago. eom.
djacq
(1,634 posts)I agree that Bob Woodward should have spoken up immediately. We also know that every time that Trump opens his mouth, he lies.
Having said that, more and more damaging news about Trump will keep coming until Election Day.
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,675 posts)Selling books at the expense of american lives.
People matter more Bob get that through your thin skull !!!!!!
live love laugh
(13,129 posts)pnwmom
(108,994 posts)doesn't mean it would kill 2 or 3 hundred thousand people before the election. Trump supporters would have found some reason not to believe Trump meant anything particularly bad.
But NOW we do know how many people have died. And the election is imminent. This revelation now may be more impactful, possibly.
llmart
(15,552 posts)They speak to the anger and frustration I've felt since this orange asshole stole the election and he and his grifting family looted our treasury. Now he's been shown to have killed almost 200,000 citizens. Your righteous anger shows you are paying attention.
benld74
(9,909 posts)DSandra
(999 posts)Not counting future deaths from heart failure from the permenant heart damage caused by the virus in many.
Nixon interrupted peace talks in Vietnam which could have saved 30,000 American soldier lives. Reagan didnt take AIDS seriously early on, leading to 100,000 deaths by 1990. Anyone see a pattern?
Efilroft Sul
(3,581 posts)Casey, on his deathbed, supposedly told Woodward that he ordered questionable covert operations because, "I believed
I believed."
"Then he was asleep," Woodward writes, "and I didnt get to ask another question."
alfredo
(60,075 posts)potential damage it could do to him. It is all about him.
Afraid wed panic? If he had visited a grocery after the plague hit, youd know we were panicking. His lies only made us less confident. Before long we all understood that we were all on our own. Our government has failed us.
SeattleVet
(5,479 posts)I just went over and checked, and that is EXACTLY how they are justifying this crap over in freeperville.
Fuck 'em.
The_REAL_Ecumenist
(729 posts)SENATE, (NOT Romney & anyone else who REFUSED to convict and remove the asshole) need to be tried for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY at the WORLD COURT!! The first time I read about them placing sanctions against the WORLD COURT, I thought, they have an idea of what's coming and is trying to defang them....
Mickju
(1,805 posts)Trump is guilty of murder.
gordianot
(15,244 posts)Even though the death count is spectacular.
BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)Given that 10 days is almost 1/5 of the time left before the election. Ill take Trump playing defense for 10 days at this stage of the race 7 days a week and twice on Sundays.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)maxrandb
(15,351 posts)is busy trying to scare the ever-loving-shit out of suburbia that scary black men and MS13 are coming to rape and kill your daughters.
The guy who "doesn't want to cause a panic" is doing everything he can to have incel dipshits with AR15s drive their ISIS pickup trucks into cities to kill some Democrats.
Is there really anyone in America with a functioning brain cell that believe he "didn't want to cause a panic"?
Some of these fuckers need to go to fucking jail for the rest of their miserable lives.
Except for Steven Miller. He needs to be dropped naked into the middle of Kandahar Province with just a MAGA hat and Breitbart cartoons of Mohammed.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Roy Rolling
(6,933 posts)The alternative you suggestWoodward write a story that the president is a hypocritewould be useless.
In a perfect world, Woodward releases off-the-record recordings when it matters most. Now.
Sadly, a revelation of Trumps neglect is more powerful with 190,000 dead than 30,000.
But Woodward revealing that Trump knew what medical professionals knew about lethality wouldnt have reduced the number of deaths. Epidemiologists knew the seriousness, only Trump supporters didnt.
And they needed a haircut and didnt care.
Goodheart
(5,339 posts)SmartVoter22
(639 posts)When one enters a book contract, usually before it's written, there are levels of confidentiality made to not release information that could reduce the book's marketing potential.
If you were writing a book on Trump, and had 18 hours of recordings of Trump making statements, would you sacrifice your book contract? Risk a definate legal suit, for breeching the contract!
...And if you were as well known as, say a Bob Woodward, who could get a couple of million in an advance on that book, would you risk the finacial security of your and your family becuase you think the content should be 'public record'?
How releasing these audio tapes earlier, would have changed anything Trump would have done is a real strtch of the imagination.
I think you are showing a very extreme emotional reaction to this breaking news, before you actually though the process through.
It's ok, you will change you mind, once you have time to think about the restrictions Woodward is probably under, with a book contract.
Because that is all this is. A book.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)How many additional lives were lost because he kept this secret for SIX MONTHS? How many lives lost is his family's "security" worth?
intheflow
(28,501 posts)Many, MANY people were and have been speaking the truth about the pandemic right along, and right along 45's followers have discredited and dismissed science and common sense. Woodward is just another voice. I mean, it's not like we didn't know 45 was lying in February and March.
druidity33
(6,446 posts)I'll let Charlie Pierce speak for me:
"Let us be clear. Both of these men knew before anyone else that the president* was lying in public about the most serious public health crisis in a century. Both of these men knew before anyone else how serious that threat was, and how deadly the disease could be. Both of these men knew before anyone else that a potential disaster was not only possible, but increasingly likely. BOTH OF THESE MEN KNEW! The president* knew and lied because he wanted to get re-elected. Woodward knew and kept it to himself because he had a book to sell. Whos worse? Far too measured a choice for this reporter, but, as someone who in his own small way practices the same craft as Bob Woodward, I have to wonder how Woodward watched the president* lie for six months as the body count ratcheted skyward without his conscience tearing out his heart. I have to wonder if, in some small way, journalism as public service died as collateral damage in that struggle."
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a33969935/bob-woodward-trump-covid-19/
SmartVoter22
(639 posts)The West Wing would have had many people who knew about CoVid's dangerous threat. I doubt if only two, trump & Woodward would be the only two who were informed.
Trying to find a scapegoat, is what this thread is about, and using the Trump blame someone approach, seems to sway some in DU.
But I prefer to be a realist and try to understand that, in government, information, even secret infomation, is known amongst many people.
Whether that info can or should be distributed, is an entirely different question that is not asked in this thread.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)I think the timing is perfect. We have to make sure this Orange begins to go away the night of November 3rd and is shown the door to the jail cell after that.
I hate to say it but the American voters have a short memory.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Fuck him!
Many 10's of thousands are likely dead do to his greed.
100's of thousands have permanent disability do to his greed.
You are godamn right, fuck him and his greed.
I will not apologize for abject greed.
the orange mango shithole is another matter all together.
Fuck these greedy motherfuckers!
NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)that could have made a difference to the American people had it been shared before it was too late. Woodward's sin of omission may have contributed to the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans, helped tank the economy and contributed to the hunger and homelessness that families are now experiencing. And now he's got a book ready to become a best seller where he'll review the dastardly deeds of this administration. Far too late to make a difference to anything except his bank account.
Isn't it interesting how being in proximity to Trump creates the risk of tainting even the good guys?
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)The story needs to be about Trump's lack of leadership and abdication of duty. Woodward is not elected to anything, and many people wouldn't listen to him, but they would Trump.
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)The RW is going to come out attacking Woodward to take the attention off the Orange Anus. Don't help them out.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)A bootleg copy online if i can find one
but i will not buy it.
Not one penny.
stillrockin67
(29 posts)We should thank Woodward for waiting. Americans have such a short memory. Delivering news of Trump's sins two months ago would have have blunted the impact. Timing, timing, timing!
JoeDuck
(79 posts)Fox News suggested we should blame the author and not the president.
40RatRod
(532 posts)... was timed on purpose and believe Woodward intends to continue to release tapes periodically to destroy Donnie.
turbinetree
(24,720 posts)You hit it right on the head..............
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)trump destroys everything and everyone he touches; everyone who is trying to make money on him also turn to shit.
bucolic_frolic
(43,286 posts)Going public with his tapes would have ended the interviews, and all the contradictions across time.
Helping to topple 2 Republican presidents, across almost 50 years, is quite a feat!
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)And I'm sure that happened before Woodward was given this particular news. Indeed, if Woodward didn't find this out until weeks after Trump was briefed it would had he been too late to do much good. Besides, there were a lot of people in government that knew this in a timely enough manner that whistleblowers could have saved thousands of lives. I would redirect at those individuals rather than Woodward.