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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 05:17 AM Sep 2020

You know how Trump has suggested that his supporters vote twice?

If you missed it – he said last night: “Let them send it in and let them go vote and if the system is as good as they say it is then obviously they won’t be able to vote” (in person). This was then backed up by lacky Barr saying he was not aware of voting twice being illegal... They are just in your face authoritarian democracy stealers without a hint of shame. But, hey, if they want to urge their base to commit a felony on behalf of their desperate clinging on to a power, when they know the gig is up without an outrageous level of cheating, I think we should encourage it. After all we know that the systems are set up to catch anyone trying to commit this felony and ergo one must assume that if they try this nonsense neither of their votes will count, the integrity of the system will be upheld and a bunch of unhinged morons will end up behind bars. Win, win, win. Heh.

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You know how Trump has suggested that his supporters vote twice? (Original Post) Soph0571 Sep 2020 OP
The good guys and gals North Shore Chicago Sep 2020 #1
No respect for the law. gademocrat7 Sep 2020 #2
Only way he can win.....voter fraud ashredux Sep 2020 #3
I already posted on our local right wing web site, gab13by13 Sep 2020 #4
Hell, go for the gusto and ronatchig Sep 2020 #6
Vote twice for Trump bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #7
Great - except it won't happen that way FakeNoose Sep 2020 #14
Trump will lose again, the only question being will he cheat enough to win this time too? /nt bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #5
The republicans have thought this coup through. They will flood some states with fake ballots. johnthewoodworker Sep 2020 #8
You're right of course. It even has a chance of succeeding. Native Sep 2020 #11
Law of unintended consequences markbark Sep 2020 #9
LOL interesting perspective onetexan Sep 2020 #10
Question idziak4ever1234 Sep 2020 #12
My first thought too. Doubtful in my mind, where I live in TX, the system is so Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 #13
OK- So this is potentially a disaster in a potential swing state. idziak4ever1234 Sep 2020 #15
IMHO, yes. Ok, it's a federal crime to try it, but it Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 #24
In another thread, Gothmog said that in Texas Maeve Sep 2020 #30
Actually, it's pretty easy Maeve Sep 2020 #20
Easy in Ohio? What about everywhere else? Could be different right? Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 #25
Most states have similar systems Maeve Sep 2020 #29
Ohio poll worker, here--The board of elections flags those who have requested an absentee ballot Maeve Sep 2020 #17
That is encouraging. Thank you for sharing that! idziak4ever1234 Sep 2020 #18
Need to require signed statement that they have not/will not cast a mail-in ballot Sucha NastyWoman Sep 2020 #16
Here is how it works peanuthead Sep 2020 #19
Do you know if it is prohibited to mail-in plus try to vote in person at the polls? Danascot Sep 2020 #21
Yes it is illegal, of course - if you are trying to deceive them. lagomorph777 Sep 2020 #23
I worry that the reaction "this is illegal," will inhibit new mail-in voters from... LAS14 Sep 2020 #22
So you are saying it might be a good idea for us to Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 #26
It's described in the Mass voting web site. I'm not suggesting... LAS14 Sep 2020 #27
I'm sure Trump will pay the legal fees for any arrested for this crime. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2020 #28
You mean you're only supposed to vote once? Cosmo Blues Sep 2020 #31

gab13by13

(20,508 posts)
4. I already posted on our local right wing web site,
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 06:29 AM
Sep 2020

that Trumpers were to obey him. I challenged their loyalty to Trump. I told them to do what he ordered, vote by mail and vote in person. You can be heroes proving how corrupt mail in voting is, Do it.

I left out the part of it being a felony and I think a $5,000.00 fine.

bucolic_frolic

(42,147 posts)
7. Vote twice for Trump
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 06:47 AM
Sep 2020

Late mail in ballots could tip the balance - mail on election day!

Vote in person too - on special Trump Wednesday the day after election day!

FakeNoose

(32,067 posts)
14. Great - except it won't happen that way
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:04 AM
Sep 2020

Anyone whose mailed-in vote is already counted will be turned away on November 3rd. They won't be given a chance to vote a 2nd time. However it will create mass chaos at the polls on election day, maybe that would be Chump's real reason for telling people to do this.

By simply mailing in our votes and avoiding the polls on election day, we'd be diminishing the chaos. I plan to use my mail-in ballot and personally hand it to the County Election Board officials, that way I don't have to depend on the "good will" of the US Postal Service.





 

johnthewoodworker

(694 posts)
8. The republicans have thought this coup through. They will flood some states with fake ballots.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 06:53 AM
Sep 2020

This will muddy the waters and help make the election looked rigged (probably use China as the fall guy). In the days after the election they will file a multitude of legal challenges in the state they are losing. In Bush vs. Gore the court said vote counting had to end on December 14th, in order for the electoral college to hold their vote. So, if that date holds, the states and courts will have about 40 days to figure everything out. So we have about 60 days before the election, and 40 days after, until we determine the president. These next 100 days should be quite memorable.

markbark

(1,550 posts)
9. Law of unintended consequences
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:07 AM
Sep 2020

If you vote twice and are caught, you are then a felon.
Felons can't vote.
Red hats voluntarily removing themselves from the voter rolls..... is there a downside to this?

idziak4ever1234

(1,257 posts)
12. Question
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:30 AM
Sep 2020

This may be a dumb question, but do the poll workers have the ability to flag people who voted by mail and then show up on election day to vote again? Is it a crime to TRY to vote twice rather than showing up and being turned away?

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
13. My first thought too. Doubtful in my mind, where I live in TX, the system is so
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:59 AM
Sep 2020

Antiquated as it is.

You would have to take the master dbase of all voters and match it against a dbase of all mail in voters and compare it. Constantly during early voting and election. Doubt they do it.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
24. IMHO, yes. Ok, it's a federal crime to try it, but it
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 12:07 PM
Sep 2020

strikes me that a person could just say that the president told them to? Pretty good defense?

Let's just say a state finds that a person votes by mail and in person. Do you throw both votes out? Or which one survives.

I suspect each state is different? It creates more chaos. Exactly what IQ wants.


Maeve

(42,168 posts)
30. In another thread, Gothmog said that in Texas
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 03:12 PM
Sep 2020

they do have a similar situation--if you've been sent an absentee ballot, you can't be checked in to vote in person
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214015911#post14

Hope that helps

Maeve

(42,168 posts)
20. Actually, it's pretty easy
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:18 AM
Sep 2020

Every county BOE has a data base of all registered voters. If someone requests and is sent an absentee ballot, they are flagged in the appropriate poll book and must vote provisionally. The check to see if they already voted is done during the counting.
Ohio now uses electronic poll books, but it was fairly simple even in the paper book days. The poll books are printed just before election day and there is a supplemental sheet sent out before the polls open, so each precinct knows who has already voted.

Maeve

(42,168 posts)
29. Most states have similar systems
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 01:38 PM
Sep 2020

If two votes come in for the same person...say absentee and provisional...rhe first dated one is counted. It takes time to go thru things which is why official count isn't certified until weeks after election day.

Maeve

(42,168 posts)
17. Ohio poll worker, here--The board of elections flags those who have requested an absentee ballot
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:09 AM
Sep 2020

Also those who have voted in person early. This is in the poll book when people check in. Those people have to vote provisionally and if it is found that there is a previous vote cast, the provisional ballot is tossed. Yes, it is illegal and they can be prosecuted (but don't know how often such cases are followed up)

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,711 posts)
16. Need to require signed statement that they have not/will not cast a mail-in ballot
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:08 AM
Sep 2020

Before giving them a ballot at the polls.

And also the same thing needs to be required with a mail-in ballot.

peanuthead

(4 posts)
19. Here is how it works
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:16 AM
Sep 2020

Here's what happens in New York:

You are sent a mail in or absentee ballot (maybe you use it, maybe you don't)
In the poll book that election inspectors use on election day, you are marked VOTING ABSENTEE
you can STILL go in and vote in person, in which case you sign the poll book, are given your ballot, which is accounted for (not your VOTE, just the number of the ballot) Election Inspectors/Poll workers have 2-3 methods by which they MUST account for every ballot that leaves their hands, whether it goes into the machine, gets spoiled, or is used for an affidavit vote or emergency vote.
THEN, at the Board of Elections, if you had also returned your absentee/mail ballot, that would be checked against the poll records as they do the count -- if you had come in to vote in person, you've already voted and your "extra" vote is not counted.


Danascot

(4,622 posts)
21. Do you know if it is prohibited to mail-in plus try to vote in person at the polls?
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 10:01 AM
Sep 2020

Is there a fine? If not, the states might want to consider putting in place some consequences for people trying to corrupt the vote. I'm glad to hear there are mechanisms in place to catch it but people doing it will slow things down and create confusion ... which of course is what Trump wants.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
23. Yes it is illegal, of course - if you are trying to deceive them.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 10:06 AM
Sep 2020

However if you never received your ballot, or it never arrived, in most states you can cast a provisional ballot which will be used only if your mail-in ballot never shows up in the system.

LAS14

(13,733 posts)
22. I worry that the reaction "this is illegal," will inhibit new mail-in voters from...
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 10:04 AM
Sep 2020

... tracking their ballots and going to their polling places in person if they believe (whether correctly or mistakenly) that their mail in ballot was not counted. It's not illegal to submit a provisional ballot or to show up at the polling place to see if you're already checked off.

I sometimes have difficulty remembering if I got my flu shot. I can imagine wondering if I really did send in that mail in ballot.

It's OK to go to the polling place to be sure you're counted.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
26. So you are saying it might be a good idea for us to
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 12:11 PM
Sep 2020

Do mail in AND provisionally? In person, you can ask for a provisional ballot? Ugh, can see my dumb poll place freaking out over that.

LAS14

(13,733 posts)
27. It's described in the Mass voting web site. I'm not suggesting...
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 01:14 PM
Sep 2020

... do it just as a backup. But, yes, if you believe that your mail in didn't make it, explain at the polls at fill out a provisional ballot.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,238 posts)
28. I'm sure Trump will pay the legal fees for any arrested for this crime.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 01:16 PM
Sep 2020

He's quick to come to the financial aid of those who, uh, who, wait, no, never mind.

Vote twice, but if you're arrested, you're on your own.

Cosmo Blues

(2,398 posts)
31. You mean you're only supposed to vote once?
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 06:35 PM
Sep 2020

As Mayor Daley of Chicago used to say, "vote early and often". I have to say the moment I heard what the president had said I thought the same thing, great, their vote doesn't count and they go to jail for a felony. Cynically I thought Republicans playing politics with Public Health benefited Democrats too, except that affects the innocent also

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