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But the lib in me still loves him.
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hlthe2b
(102,468 posts)at all.
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hlthe2b
(102,468 posts)I'm not fooled.
Hekate
(90,934 posts)I wonder if he never got his pony.
I am almost 73, and in my opinion Barack Obama is the best POTUS of my lifetime. Imagine what he could have accomplished with 8 years of a Democratic Senate.
Cha
(297,898 posts)"our parents warned us about it.. " WTAF.
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JI7
(89,281 posts)socialist warrior on the internet
Maru Kitteh
(28,344 posts)StrictlyRockers
(3,858 posts)I mean, comparatively.
couldn't have said it better.
Cha
(297,898 posts)about it.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)since FDR.
The ACA establishes federal control over all of the health care industry, roughly 1/6th of the economy.
Centrism? No just patronizing nonsense.
Celerity
(43,655 posts)President Barack Obama firmly resists ideological labels, but at the end of a private meeting with a group of moderate Democrats on Tuesday afternoon, he offered a statement of solidarity.
I am a New Democrat, he told the New Democrat Coalition, according to two sources at the White House session.
The group is comprised of centrist Democratic members of the House, who support free trade and a muscular foreign policy but are more moderate than the conservative Blue Dog Coalition. Obama made his comment in discussing his budget priorities and broader goals, also calling himself a pro-growth Democrat during the course of conversation.
The self-descriptions are striking given Obamas usual caution in being identified with any wing of his often-fractious party. He largely avoided the Democratic Leadership Council the centrist group that Bill Clinton once led and, with an eye on his national political standing, has always shied away from the liberal label, too.
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New Democrats
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats
New Democrats, also known as centrist Democrats, Clinton Democrats, or moderate Democrats, are a moderate ideological faction within the Democratic Party in the United States. As the Third Way faction of the party, they support cultural liberalism but take fiscally moderate or conservative stances. New Democrats dominated the party from the late-1980s through the mid-2010s, although they still wield noticeable power within the party structure. Their organizations include the New Democrat Network, the New Democrat Coalition, and The NewDEAL.
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StrictlyRockers
(3,858 posts)A good read, actually.
George II
(67,782 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,239 posts).
For awhile, it seemed like he was coming around to how fucked up Trump was and then sprung those on me.
He was also saying that Biden will triple the amount of taxes he pays on his retirement income.
I stopped him there, because I work in the financial sector and there has been no panic to that effect.
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Cha
(297,898 posts)StrictlyRockers
(3,858 posts)Ok then.
Cha
(297,898 posts)President Obama was no "centrist" & my parents sure as hell didn't "warn me about it."
I can't even believe this.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)https://thehill.com/policy/finance/272957-obama-says-his-economic-policies-so-mainstream-hed-be-seen-as-moderate-republican-in-1980s
StrictlyRockers
(3,858 posts)People can call him a liar if they want to. I love him too much to do that.
Hekate
(90,934 posts)Cha
(297,898 posts)Eloquently!
JI7
(89,281 posts)JI7
(89,281 posts)Skittles
(153,255 posts)SAID NO PARENT EVER
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Is this still DU?
mcar
(42,426 posts)It's never made any sense to me why we put up with it.
Cha
(297,898 posts)parents warned us about"
we need Unity now Not division.
mcar
(42,426 posts)"we need to reelect Trump so everything will fall apart" idiocy.
Fortunately, it seems way fewer than in 2016. But they are still out there - and here as it seems.
Cha
(297,898 posts)back in will be the END of America.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I think we need a "No Tolerance" policy with rubbish like this. I'm tired of it and we don't need it here.
BannonsLiver
(16,539 posts)Were 2 months and change away from an election and here is someone who wants to relitigate the Obama era. Its beyond pointless.
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Cha
(297,898 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)New ones, sleepers, usual suspects.
A real smorgasbord of bad faith and stupidity.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)He took pragmatic positions to make his agenda pass. That makes him smart.
Get off attacking Obama please. He was the best POTUS one could have.
Cha
(297,898 posts)to post otherwise just to stir the pot is NOT what we need at this POINT in History!
Well said!
Keth
(184 posts)it sucks that we limit the President to two terms and an election by a dated electoral college. I think every other elected official in the U.S.A is by popular vote. President Obama needed a well deserved rest after getting us back on track after the Cheney and Bush disaster. If only he could have served another term, we wouldn't be in this 'crisis to democracy' mess. Or if Secretary Clinton wasn't cheated out of her win.
I don't really think about labels. Centrist. Liberal. Whatever. President Obama was the best!
p.s. I love him, too.
tritsofme
(17,421 posts)Cha
(297,898 posts)for those who wouldn't vote for him.
BannonsLiver
(16,539 posts)Like those responding with I love Obama but...
They dont love him. Quite the opposite. Not that anyone should give a shit.
myohmy2
(3,193 posts)..he had the opportunity to become the incarnate of FDR....
.
...maybe next time...
hlthe2b
(102,468 posts)When F.D.R. took over the Presidency in 1933, the Democrats controlled 64 percent of the Senate seats and 73 percent (!) of the House seats, counting independents who were sympathetic to the party. And those numbers only increased over the next couple of midterms during their peak during 1937-38, the Demorats actually controlled about 80 percent (!) of the seats in both chambers. Obama, by contrast, came into his term with 59 percent majorities in both chambers. Thats not much to complain about by the standards of recent Presidencies, but is nevertheless a long way from where F.D.R. stood during his first two terms, or for that matter where L.B.J.s numbers were during the 1965-66 period, when the bulk of the Great Society programs were implemented.
betsuni
(25,733 posts)And the Republican Party wasn't a radicalized cult that wouldn't compromise in FDR and LBJ's time.
...had the biggest republican fuck-up since the great depression to play and barter with, he had the pukes by the balls...if he wanted to, if he was a true Bernie, he would have taken this country into a whole new and better direction...
...such opportunities to benefit the 99% come but once in a lifetime...
...sorry...
betsuni
(25,733 posts)How is that having Republicans "by the balls"?
BannonsLiver
(16,539 posts)betsuni
(25,733 posts)...yes he did...
...exactly...
betsuni
(25,733 posts)direction"? You have to have the votes, that's how government works. Doesn't matter how much one wants something or is very emotional. It's not a movie with superheroes.
DFW
(54,465 posts)Thank goodness for small favors!
Solomon
(12,319 posts)DFW
(54,465 posts)I was only referring to the post above mine. The most time I ever got to spend with Obama was an hour, so it's not like we got to touch on every subject under the sun, but the subject of Sanders never came up once.
betsuni
(25,733 posts)hlthe2b
(102,468 posts)myohmy2
(3,193 posts)...you seem to have contempt for me...
...why are you here?...
hlthe2b
(102,468 posts)NOT YOU.
myohmy2
(3,193 posts)...is me...
...I like Obama...voted for him twice...
...but he could have done better...
George II
(67,782 posts)...had the biggest republican fuck-up since the great depression to play and barter with, he had the pukes by the balls...if he wanted to, if he was a true Bernie, he would have taken this country into a whole new and better direction...
...such opportunities to benefit the 99% come but once in a lifetime...
You forget that on Inauguration Night in 2009 McConnell was already plotting with republicans to block just about everything Obama and the Democrats tried to do, and had a very short time of all-Democratic control, i.e., "had the pukes by the balls"! He did an amazing job considering all the resistance he faced throughout his two terms as President.
Most of us here feel that Obama was the best President in our lifetimes (and I'm 72!)
And why throw in that "if he was a true Bernie" stuff? In 2009 "Bernie" was a relative unknown and Obama was PRESIDENT. Clearly he was NOT "a true Bernie" - here it is 2020 (11-12 years later) and Obama had a highly successful administration and "Bernie" is still a Senator from a relatively obscure, sparsely populated state.
I'd put Obama's accomplishments up against "a true Bernie" any day.
myohmy2
(3,193 posts)...be so sensitive...
...consider it constructive criticism...
...most of us here feel Obama was good but could have been great...
George II
(67,782 posts)....you don't think so.
Hekate
(90,934 posts)What a load.
myohmy2 (1,750 posts)
70. Obama...
What exactly is a 'true bernie'? I don't understand your point. Obama has always been his own man.
JI7
(89,281 posts)Sanders has done very little in his time in office.
If we are talking about making progress, Biden has done a lot more.
George II
(67,782 posts)....one is never elected President.
Cha
(297,898 posts)PARTY & other Assorted Factions sitting home Not Voting.
...how are you doing?...
...hang in there...
George II
(67,782 posts)....times have changed.
The fact is, Obama was elected - that means more people in America wanted him than any of the alternatives, both Democratic and republican.
I don't know why you insist on bashing him here.
Lunabell
(6,132 posts)But he is a centrist plain and simple. I didn't like everything he did, but I love the guy and Joe too. The rethuglicans call them radical left, lmao! I'm the radical left!!
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Cha
(297,898 posts)dansolo
(5,376 posts)Grand ideas that have way of passing actually hurt progressive causes, because they convince people to hold out for everything instead of allowing real improvements, no matter how small they may seem.
George II
(67,782 posts)Enough said.
Renew Deal
(81,889 posts)That we can be both peaceful and prosperous? Or that we can make progress without getting everything we want all the time? Messages like that are meant to degrade Obama. It's BS.
BannonsLiver
(16,539 posts)Dead enders gonna dead end.
Cha
(297,898 posts)Great questions, though!
StrictlyRockers
(3,858 posts)If you weren't listening to them, that's your problem. Because they said it in more ways than one. And Obama is a centrist.
And I didn't like his position on the NBA players' strike.
Cha
(297,898 posts)with my Parents.
& I don't care what you don't like about President Obama.
betsuni
(25,733 posts)It must be very frightening!
Cha
(297,898 posts)about the centrist"... and with a statement like that.. I would like to see some actual data..
What a way to frame something to ensure the pot is stirred.
betsuni
(25,733 posts)I suppose it's too obvious to call Biden a centrist who scares children.
sheshe2
(83,989 posts)betsuni
(25,733 posts)And built up others with no real accomplishments. It's as if they think superheroes in the movies are real, that strong emotion will overcome anything.
mvd
(65,180 posts)I didnt always agree with his approach. Far from it. But I consider him the best President of my lifetime - a little better than Clinton and miles better than the Repukes in the WH. I was too young to remember Carter.
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BannonsLiver
(16,539 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 30, 2020, 08:19 PM - Edit history (1)
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Cha
(297,898 posts)praise"?
BannonsLiver
(16,539 posts)Given that you know who is never going to be president.
Cha
(297,898 posts)This is about UNTIY.. NOT DIVISION.. That's what We're Here FOr. Unity Against Fascism
BannonsLiver
(16,539 posts)Whenever I see one on Twitter I know moronic purity laden hot takes are sure to follow. At what cost? Most are too wrapped up in their own world view to understand them. Its about THEIR wants.
Cha
(297,898 posts)about UNITY.. They LOST & many of them can't get Over It.
It's Called Democracy.. We had our Elections and we have our Candidate.
JI7
(89,281 posts)RANDYWILDMAN
(2,678 posts)To smart for our country at the time.
I wanted him to be more like Chris rock in head of state. The "that ain't right speech' is something america needs to hear from a pol and not a comedian.
I think he did an incredible job when you realize the Repubs worked against him everyday the whole time. He passed the ACA with them kicking and screaming about it and to this day trying to bring it down....
He was and still is a national treasure!!!
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betsuni
(25,733 posts)Obama never claimed to be a far Left populist firebrand. Duh.
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betsuni
(25,733 posts)Response to betsuni (Reply #59)
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betsuni
(25,733 posts)A musical interlude:
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Tarheel_Dem
(31,247 posts)RelativelyJones
(898 posts)People who are appalled by Trump and what he has done to American standing and the rule of law, but also disgusted with those destroying cities and screaming at people who disagree with their tactics. First order of business is to defeat Trump, but that does not mean people like these assholes tearing up Portland, Minneapolis, Kenosha, etc.
DFW
(54,465 posts)Mine always embraced guys like Obama, never warned me about them.
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)StrictlyRockers
(3,858 posts)And you can't make me.
Demsrule86
(68,747 posts)StrictlyRockers
(3,858 posts)n/t
BannonsLiver
(16,539 posts)Also true: Its not credible.
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EllieBC
(3,045 posts)Obama is a centrist our parents warned us about? Who is us?
Why so divisive? This is DU. DEMOCRATIC underground.
GeorgiaPeanut
(360 posts)If he could run again, I'd vote for him till I die.
Your OP stinks.
StrictlyRockers
(3,858 posts)And your opinion is your own.
GeorgiaPeanut
(360 posts)sheshe2
(83,989 posts)Is Obama running for President? I wish, yet he is not. Why bash him now?
A centrist? No.
My mom in her late eighties loved him. No dire warning needed.
OP
betsuni
(25,733 posts)In what world are "centrists" the big threat? Not this one.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Parrothead here.
George II
(67,782 posts)lapucelle
(18,374 posts)and then use that account to randomly badmouth the first Black president?
Cui bono?
sheshe2
(83,989 posts)Ouch.
lapucelle
(18,374 posts)It's a gaslit world where white folks assume the mantle of BLM to make the insulting claim that President Obama is the danger that BLM allied parents warn their children about.
lapucelle
(18,374 posts)it does seem odd that a BLM representative or group would take a gratuitous swipe at President Obama.
I read profiles.
Cha
(297,898 posts)Thank you!
radius777
(3,635 posts)FDR moved more left due to the Great Depression, but was not an anti-capitalist.
JFK, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama: all centrist liberals.
The DLC/Clintonism came about to push the party back to the center - after it drifted overly left during 70s and 80s and suffered landslide losses. Since then, the Dem party in presidential elections has won 6 of 7 popular votes (and the one loss in 2004 was a close loss).
In It to Win It
(8,299 posts)I think he did the best when what he had and that required him execute on policies that one would consider centrist.
I think Obama is a flaming liberal that would sign a Medicare for all bill but hes stuck is a centrist world.
Remember, we have to deal with moderate democrats that live in moderate states and they want to win re-election. Before our ideas even get to the GOP (to vote down), they have to pass our own party.
We cant even get the popular liberal ideas past our own party unless we moderate them somehow.
To actually move a bill requires moderation unfortunately... and thats before it even gets to the opposing party. In our system and with our politics, changes are incremental.
If I recall correctly, Obama had hoped that the Democrats, had we retained power, would take the Obamacare ball and take steps toward a universal healthcare system.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)RobinA
(9,902 posts)the reaction to calling Obama a centrist. I liked Obama a lot. I voted for him twice. He was a centrist. Big deal.