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Tue Aug 25, 2020, 08:06 PM

Star Member cilla4progress (22,500 posts)

I'm ashamed of my race (white)

Too much?

It's how I feel.

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Reply I'm ashamed of my race (white) (Original post)
 cilla4progress Aug 2020 OP
LineReply I'm not ashamed. I don't feel I have much in common with white supremacists.
 unblock Aug 2020 #1
LineReply Don't be.
 yewberry Aug 2020 #2
LineLineReply Brava!
 Behind the Aegis Aug 2020 #6
LineLineLineReply This is harsh.
 cilla4progress Aug 2020 #12
LineLineLineLineNew Reply It may be harsh, but it, too, is truth.
 Behind the Aegis Aug 2020 #19
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Safw to speak my truth and fear
 cilla4progress Aug 2020 #20
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Then feedback is not what you wanted.
 Behind the Aegis Aug 2020 #22
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Ok.
 cilla4progress Aug 2020 #26
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Oh, come on now.
 cwydro Aug 2020 #25
LineLineReply Thank you
 cilla4progress Aug 2020 #15
LineReply That makes no more sense than being proud of your white race
 DavidDvorkin Aug 2020 #3
LineLineReply THANK YOU
 Skittles Aug 2020 #13
LineReply There's only one race, and that's The Human Race. This is scientific fact, Jack. Any differences
 abqtommy Aug 2020 #4
LineReply I kind of feel like I need to find a way to work
 Bettie Aug 2020 #5
LineReply I will remind you.
 qwlauren35 Aug 2020 #7
LineLineReply This is helpful.
 cilla4progress Aug 2020 #14
LineReply Dont Be ashamed of your race, its who you are as a person that makes you regardless
 ace3csusm Aug 2020 #8
LineReply Lol. You didn't need to add the white in parenthesis. We understand how you feel.
 Solomon Aug 2020 #9
LineReply Don't waste your time being ashamed. Work to dismantle white supremacy instead.
 WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2020 #10
LineReply It is too much. I'm a brown guy. Just be a good person. That is all we can do.
 Shaddox Aug 2020 #11
LineReply Appreciate the generosity
 cilla4progress Aug 2020 #16
LineReply Ashamed? Really. I am only ashamed of things I have personally done
 GulfCoast66 Aug 2020 #17
LineReply Yep - too much. Nt
 jmg257 Aug 2020 #18
LineNew Reply That assumes that races have certain unique negative traits.
 Kaleva Aug 2020 #21
LineNew Reply Europeans came to this country and either inadvertently or on purpose wiped out the native
 betsuni Aug 2020 #23
LineNew Reply There's no sense in feeling shame about something other then a wrong that you
 Raine Aug 2020 #24
LineNew Reply The good news is that 'race' is not a useful classification
 muriel_volestrangler Aug 2020 #27
LineNew Reply I appreciate the dialogue here.
 cilla4progress Aug 2020 #28

Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 08:17 PM

Star Member unblock (51,287 posts)

1. I'm not ashamed. I don't feel I have much in common with white supremacists.

I'll try to be sensitive and aware of my privilege, but the shame is all theirs.

To the extent I feel shame, it's for my personal decisions of not doing enough. But I'm not going to feel shame for the actions of others fighting for something I don't believe in just because my skin tone is similar.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 08:35 PM

yewberry (6,530 posts)

2. Don't be.

That's not the point, and it's not helpful to anyone.

Understand your privilege-- you didn't earn it, true, but you also didn't ask for it. Call out racism in your life when you see it. Don't expect BIPOC to explain it to you. In conversations about race, listen more than you speak.

Shame doesn't help, and it fuels right-wing talking points about being "proud white" people.

YMMV.

Signed,
just another white woman

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Response to yewberry (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 08:53 PM

Star Member Behind the Aegis (51,779 posts)

6. Brava!

Also, statements like that (the OP) take away from the affected minorities, by, again, making it about white people.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 10:06 PM

Star Member cilla4progress (22,500 posts)

12. This is harsh.

I didn't say it as a statement.

It's my truth.

I admitted it knowing I would get blowback.

But I still thought I was safe here.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 12:25 AM

Star Member Behind the Aegis (51,779 posts)

19. It may be harsh, but it, too, is truth.

How are you "unsafe"? There was nothing even resembling a threat in my post. What was in my post was very specific to your comment.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #19)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:43 AM

Star Member cilla4progress (22,500 posts)

20. Safw to speak my truth and fear

without judgment! Without suspicion.

Oh nevermind....

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 04:04 AM

Star Member Behind the Aegis (51,779 posts)

22. Then feedback is not what you wanted.

So, yes, continue, by all means.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 11:54 AM

Star Member cilla4progress (22,500 posts)

26. Ok.

I'm ashamed of my race (white). I'm ashamed of NA genocode. I'm ashamed of slavery and structural racism. I'm ashamed of colonization. I'm ashamed of white supremacy and supremacists. I'm ashamed of my white privilege. I'm ashamed of what is going on rn in the streets of Kenosha.

Though I have not directly participated ‐ they are done for my benefit as a white person.

See. Not so hard.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 04:37 AM

cwydro (49,029 posts)

25. Oh, come on now.

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Response to yewberry (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 10:09 PM

Star Member cilla4progress (22,500 posts)

15. Thank you

for sharing your wisdom, non-judgementally!

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 08:37 PM

Star Member DavidDvorkin (18,892 posts)

3. That makes no more sense than being proud of your white race

You don't deserve blame or praise for what other people who share your skin color have done.

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Tue Aug 25, 2020, 10:07 PM

Star Member Skittles (148,563 posts)

13. THANK YOU

yes indeed

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 08:46 PM

abqtommy (14,118 posts)

4. There's only one race, and that's The Human Race. This is scientific fact, Jack. Any differences

in skin color, eye/nose shape are local ethnic adaptations. Prisons throughout the world hold real
criminals of all ethnic groups. I hate the history of many white people who have done evil but I'm not
one of them. I'm proud to call my black and brown brothers and sisters members of my human family.
Together we can make our family function in a positive manner again! We accomplish this be refusing
to be a "racist"/ethnic/gender/ageist bigot. Now let's get to it!

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 08:51 PM

Star Member Bettie (14,725 posts)

5. I kind of feel like I need to find a way to work

on the problems in the white community.

Sadly, I don't speak to most of the horrible ones in my life anymore.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 08:54 PM

Star Member qwlauren35 (5,494 posts)

7. I will remind you.

Biden is white. Warren is white.

You stand among a race of people that include both good and evil.

Don't be ashamed.

Just decide to live up to a high personal standard... and fuck everybody else.

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Response to qwlauren35 (Reply #7)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 10:08 PM

Star Member cilla4progress (22,500 posts)

14. This is helpful.

Thank you.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 08:54 PM

ace3csusm (969 posts)

8. Dont Be ashamed of your race, its who you are as a person that makes you regardless

of color skin...Be proud of being a good moral person and stand for right from wrong Kind of like Captain America...

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2020, 08:57 PM

Star Member Solomon (12,086 posts)

9. Lol. You didn't need to add the white in parenthesis. We understand how you feel.

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Tue Aug 25, 2020, 08:58 PM

Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (19,527 posts)

10. Don't waste your time being ashamed. Work to dismantle white supremacy instead.

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Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:00 PM

Shaddox (384 posts)

11. It is too much. I'm a brown guy. Just be a good person. That is all we can do.

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Tue Aug 25, 2020, 10:11 PM

Star Member cilla4progress (22,500 posts)

16. Appreciate the generosity

in the comments here. And suggestions!

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Tue Aug 25, 2020, 10:12 PM

Star Member GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)

17. Ashamed? Really. I am only ashamed of things I have personally done

Or not done.

I my opinion that makes as much sense as being proud of being a white person. I’m only proud of my personal accomplishments or those of my wife.

But hey, to each their own. You feel like you feel.

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Tue Aug 25, 2020, 10:36 PM

jmg257 (11,996 posts)

18. Yep - too much. Nt

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Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:48 AM

Star Member Kaleva (34,009 posts)

21. That assumes that races have certain unique negative traits.

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Wed Aug 26, 2020, 04:22 AM

Star Member betsuni (22,171 posts)

23. Europeans came to this country and either inadvertently or on purpose wiped out the native

populations, dragged people over from Africa like animals to do the work for them, cut down forests and killed off the buffalo and plowed up the prairies, made money and property and fame a religion. There's a sort of cultural poverty, an anti-intellectual selfish greediness that happened in America. It's embarrassing.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 04:34 AM

Raine (29,472 posts)

24. There's no sense in feeling shame about something other then a wrong that you

yourself committed. 🤔

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:32 PM

muriel_volestrangler (99,215 posts)

27. The good news is that 'race' is not a useful classification

The bad news, for people like me (White Anglo Saxon Protestant, by upbringing if not current religious group) is that it's my culture and heritage that is more responsible for attitudes like Trump's and his supporters than just about everyone else. OK, at least at my country and ancestors were on the right side in WW2, but "at least we weren't the Nazis" is weak stuff.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:54 PM

Star Member cilla4progress (22,500 posts)

28. I appreciate the dialogue here.

I knew my post would be controversial. I also value DU as a place where we can expose our fears, vulnerabilities, and yes, even shame.

Thank you for your great reflections and ideas!

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