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I'm ashamed of my race (white) (Original Post) cilla4progress Aug 2020 OP
I'm not ashamed. I don't feel I have much in common with white supremacists. unblock Aug 2020 #1
Don't be. yewberry Aug 2020 #2
Brava! Behind the Aegis Aug 2020 #6
This is harsh. cilla4progress Aug 2020 #12
It may be harsh, but it, too, is truth. Behind the Aegis Aug 2020 #19
Safw to speak my truth and fear cilla4progress Aug 2020 #20
Then feedback is not what you wanted. Behind the Aegis Aug 2020 #22
Ok. cilla4progress Aug 2020 #26
Oh, come on now. cwydro Aug 2020 #25
Thank you cilla4progress Aug 2020 #15
That makes no more sense than being proud of your white race DavidDvorkin Aug 2020 #3
THANK YOU Skittles Aug 2020 #13
There's only one race, and that's The Human Race. This is scientific fact, Jack. Any differences abqtommy Aug 2020 #4
I kind of feel like I need to find a way to work Bettie Aug 2020 #5
I will remind you. qwlauren35 Aug 2020 #7
This is helpful. cilla4progress Aug 2020 #14
Dont Be ashamed of your race, its who you are as a person that makes you regardless ace3csusm Aug 2020 #8
Lol. You didn't need to add the white in parenthesis. We understand how you feel. Solomon Aug 2020 #9
Don't waste your time being ashamed. Work to dismantle white supremacy instead. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2020 #10
It is too much. I'm a brown guy. Just be a good person. That is all we can do. Shaddox Aug 2020 #11
Appreciate the generosity cilla4progress Aug 2020 #16
Ashamed? Really. I am only ashamed of things I have personally done GulfCoast66 Aug 2020 #17
Yep - too much. Nt jmg257 Aug 2020 #18
That assumes that races have certain unique negative traits. Kaleva Aug 2020 #21
Europeans came to this country and either inadvertently or on purpose wiped out the native betsuni Aug 2020 #23
There's no sense in feeling shame about something other then a wrong that you Raine Aug 2020 #24
The good news is that 'race' is not a useful classification muriel_volestrangler Aug 2020 #27
I appreciate the dialogue here. cilla4progress Aug 2020 #28

unblock

(51,792 posts)
1. I'm not ashamed. I don't feel I have much in common with white supremacists.
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 07:17 PM
Aug 2020

I'll try to be sensitive and aware of my privilege, but the shame is all theirs.

To the extent I feel shame, it's for my personal decisions of not doing enough. But I'm not going to feel shame for the actions of others fighting for something I don't believe in just because my skin tone is similar.

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
2. Don't be.
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 07:35 PM
Aug 2020

That's not the point, and it's not helpful to anyone.

Understand your privilege-- you didn't earn it, true, but you also didn't ask for it. Call out racism in your life when you see it. Don't expect BIPOC to explain it to you. In conversations about race, listen more than you speak.

Shame doesn't help, and it fuels right-wing talking points about being "proud white" people.

YMMV.

Signed,
just another white woman

Behind the Aegis

(53,667 posts)
6. Brava!
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 07:53 PM
Aug 2020

Also, statements like that (the OP) take away from the affected minorities, by, again, making it about white people.

cilla4progress

(24,402 posts)
12. This is harsh.
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:06 PM
Aug 2020

I didn't say it as a statement.

It's my truth.

I admitted it knowing I would get blowback.

But I still thought I was safe here.

Behind the Aegis

(53,667 posts)
19. It may be harsh, but it, too, is truth.
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 11:25 PM
Aug 2020

How are you "unsafe"? There was nothing even resembling a threat in my post. What was in my post was very specific to your comment.

cilla4progress

(24,402 posts)
26. Ok.
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 10:54 AM
Aug 2020

I'm ashamed of my race (white). I'm ashamed of NA genocode. I'm ashamed of slavery and structural racism. I'm ashamed of colonization. I'm ashamed of white supremacy and supremacists. I'm ashamed of my white privilege. I'm ashamed of what is going on rn in the streets of Kenosha.

Though I have not directly participated ‐ they are done for my benefit as a white person.

See. Not so hard.

DavidDvorkin

(19,338 posts)
3. That makes no more sense than being proud of your white race
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 07:37 PM
Aug 2020

You don't deserve blame or praise for what other people who share your skin color have done.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
4. There's only one race, and that's The Human Race. This is scientific fact, Jack. Any differences
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 07:46 PM
Aug 2020

in skin color, eye/nose shape are local ethnic adaptations. Prisons throughout the world hold real
criminals of all ethnic groups. I hate the history of many white people who have done evil but I'm not
one of them. I'm proud to call my black and brown brothers and sisters members of my human family.
Together we can make our family function in a positive manner again! We accomplish this be refusing
to be a "racist"/ethnic/gender/ageist bigot. Now let's get to it!

Bettie

(15,876 posts)
5. I kind of feel like I need to find a way to work
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 07:51 PM
Aug 2020

on the problems in the white community.

Sadly, I don't speak to most of the horrible ones in my life anymore.

qwlauren35

(5,962 posts)
7. I will remind you.
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 07:54 PM
Aug 2020

Biden is white. Warren is white.

You stand among a race of people that include both good and evil.

Don't be ashamed.

Just decide to live up to a high personal standard... and fuck everybody else.

ace3csusm

(969 posts)
8. Dont Be ashamed of your race, its who you are as a person that makes you regardless
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 07:54 PM
Aug 2020

of color skin...Be proud of being a good moral person and stand for right from wrong Kind of like Captain America...

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
17. Ashamed? Really. I am only ashamed of things I have personally done
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 09:12 PM
Aug 2020

Or not done.

I my opinion that makes as much sense as being proud of being a white person. I’m only proud of my personal accomplishments or those of my wife.

But hey, to each their own. You feel like you feel.

betsuni

(24,768 posts)
23. Europeans came to this country and either inadvertently or on purpose wiped out the native
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:22 AM
Aug 2020

populations, dragged people over from Africa like animals to do the work for them, cut down forests and killed off the buffalo and plowed up the prairies, made money and property and fame a religion. There's a sort of cultural poverty, an anti-intellectual selfish greediness that happened in America. It's embarrassing.

Raine

(30,446 posts)
24. There's no sense in feeling shame about something other then a wrong that you
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:34 AM
Aug 2020

yourself committed. 🤔

muriel_volestrangler

(100,959 posts)
27. The good news is that 'race' is not a useful classification
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 01:32 PM
Aug 2020

The bad news, for people like me (White Anglo Saxon Protestant, by upbringing if not current religious group) is that it's my culture and heritage that is more responsible for attitudes like Trump's and his supporters than just about everyone else. OK, at least at my country and ancestors were on the right side in WW2, but "at least we weren't the Nazis" is weak stuff.

cilla4progress

(24,402 posts)
28. I appreciate the dialogue here.
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 01:54 PM
Aug 2020

I knew my post would be controversial. I also value DU as a place where we can expose our fears, vulnerabilities, and yes, even shame.

Thank you for your great reflections and ideas!

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