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Jose Garcia

(2,718 posts)
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 11:15 AM Aug 2020

Biden Bucks Progressives, Won't Denounce Israeli Occupation

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In early July, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and other influential progressives were convinced that they had secured a critical concession from Joe Biden’s campaign: For the first time, the Democratic Party platform would assert that Palestinians had a right to live free of foreign “occupation,” a scarcely veiled reference to Israel.

But days before a draft platform was released on July 15, the presumptive Democratic nominee personally weighed in, according to three sources familiar with the discussion, ordering his advisors not to include any reference to Israeli “occupation.” The decision, according to these sources, followed heavy last-minute lobbying by pro-Israel advocacy groups. Biden aides subsequently phoned progressive leaders and urged them to drop their demand to declare Israel an occupying power, arguing that the inclusion of the phrase threatened to undermine unity within the Democratic Party.

“The question of whether to allow the text to refer to ‘occupation’ or use the phrase ‘end the occupation’ was taken to the vice president and he said ‘no,’” Jason Isaacson, the chief policy and political affairs officer at the American Jewish Committee, told Foreign Policy. “This is not an issue on which the party can bend because it would be contrary to the position of Joe Biden.”

The retreat reflected the reluctance of the former vice president to reverse decades of staunch support for Israel, even as Biden and his party are expressing growing support for reestablishing diplomatic ties with the Palestinians and reinforcing the need to pay greater heed to Palestinian rights. It also marked something of a victory for the party’s establishment, which has sought to preserve close relations with Israel, even as its prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has moved increasingly close to the Republican Party and its standard-bearer, President Donald Trump.

more: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/08/06/biden-2020-presidential-election-israel-occupation-progressives-sanders/

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Biden Bucks Progressives, Won't Denounce Israeli Occupation (Original Post) Jose Garcia Aug 2020 OP
I disagree with Joe on this one SCantiGOP Aug 2020 #1
Good. nsd Aug 2020 #2
This ⬆️ Budi Aug 2020 #8
Nothing will fundamentally change. theaocp Aug 2020 #3
This is a tough one. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2020 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2020 #5
Not quite in agreement with this Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2020 #6
If it's a bad idea now, it's a bad idea next year Jose Garcia Aug 2020 #9
Thank you Mr. Vice President. tritsofme Aug 2020 #7
How did Israel come to occupy this territory Coleman Aug 2020 #10
You're a voice of reason crying out in this wilderness of passion. Thanks! abqtommy Aug 2020 #11
LOCKING Mosby Aug 2020 #12


(13,967 posts)
1. I disagree with Joe on this one
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 11:23 AM
Aug 2020

Trump just uses Israel as a wedge, but I hate to see the Dem Party accepting Israeli apartheid.


(2,447 posts)
2. Good.
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 11:34 AM
Aug 2020

That language is inflammatory and misleading. Israel is bigger than Netanyahu. Biden's positions reflect that realization and are more indicative of the Democratic Party's center of mass than those of the so-called progressives.



(15,325 posts)
8. This ⬆️
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 12:03 PM
Aug 2020

Thank you..well stated.
It's about more that Netanyahoo & I'll trust Joe knows more on this foreign policy subject than half the people in this country posting online.

💙#TrustJoeBiden 💙#VoteBiden22020


(4,284 posts)
3. Nothing will fundamentally change.
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 11:36 AM
Aug 2020

Stop being an occupation force, Israel. At least I can say it.


(99,855 posts)
4. This is a tough one.
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 11:37 AM
Aug 2020

I am a stalwart supporter of Israel who despises Netanyahu's irredentism and nationalism. I would like the platform to say that a Biden administration would encourage all parties to take steps that bring them closer to a two state solution that reflects the national aspirations of the Israelis and Plalestinians.

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Proud Liberal Dem

(24,660 posts)
6. Not quite in agreement with this
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 11:41 AM
Aug 2020

but I understand that it's Election Season, so he has to stake out more solid territory. We should push him on this more if (when) he's elected. He's going to be better than Trump on Israel, so that's pretty much all that matters ATM.

Jose Garcia

(2,718 posts)
9. If it's a bad idea now, it's a bad idea next year
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 12:19 PM
Aug 2020


(17,880 posts)
7. Thank you Mr. Vice President.
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 11:41 AM
Aug 2020


(870 posts)
10. How did Israel come to occupy this territory
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 12:35 PM
Aug 2020

Oh, yes. They were attacked by their Arab neighbors, Palestinians, Hamas, and Hezbollah. After early setbacks, Israel gained air and ground superiority and pushed their attackers back beyond their borders. Prior to the invasion, to whom did the occupied territories belong. Not the Palestinians, they were parts of Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. The losers of the war. So if Israel were to return the occupied lands, it would be to these 3 countries. Do you think Jordan would give up the West Bank to a Palestinian state? What about Egypt giving up Gaza to Hamas led Palestinians?

Much like the US, Israel has the makings of a progressive state. Highly educated and affluent. But the darkness of ultra conservative religious groups, as well as right wing organizations, and the thirst for power of Netanyahu is a hindrance to the Israeli state. As long as rockets fly out of Gaza and the Palestinians riot, with Hamas proving the violence, Netanyahu or those with a kindred spirit will be in power.

My solution:
1. Israel changes its constitution to become a secular state and bans Netanyahu from government.
2. Except for the Golan Heights, return the occupied territories to the countries from which they came.
3. Jordan and Egypt destroy Hamas.
4. Jerusalem becomes an international city governed and protected by the UN.


(14,118 posts)
11. You're a voice of reason crying out in this wilderness of passion. Thanks!
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 01:03 PM
Aug 2020


(16,697 posts)
Fri Aug 7, 2020, 01:19 PM
Aug 2020

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