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[boston bean]

1. And on it goes. What other slurs, you know ones not referring to women, are ok and

Should just let slide?

[Atticus]

6. No one is suggesting that true "slurs" should slide but, once again, intent has to be considered.

Call me a "prick" through clenched teeth and with fire in your eyes and, yup, I will be offended. Smile and chide me "Don't be a prick!" when I won't call your seven foot putt a "gimme" and I'll grin right back at you.

[Beakybird]

2. All I learned from this is that karma is a mixed-breed female dog.

[Phoenix61]

3. I think everyone is really stressed.

Things that would have been funny several months ago, not so much. I know my sense of humor and general level of patience get pretty thin when I’m stressed. I’m female and quick to call folks out. Bitch, bastard meh.

[lpbk2713]

16. I think you have a good perspective.

The passage of time changes a lot of things.

[unc70]

4. And in the meaning of biting criticism, from an unrelated root word

Just as nit, niggle, and niggardly have nothing to do with race or with color.

[Ms. Toad]

5. I assume you take the same attitude when well-intentioned allies use n****r?

If I, as a white woman, use the term n****r to put someone down, even if I don't intend to offend Blacks on the forum, it's OK? That is the exact same reasoning.

Why do you accept education as to "Oriental," but not as to the term "bitch"? Both are offensive terms that rely on ignorance/stereotypes/negative feelings about the group of people referred to by the term.

Sorry, but you can put a little effort into at least being educated by the people impacted by the misogyistic term you want to use. Just let go of it, apologize, and find a colorful term that does not rely on class-based stereotypes for its sting.

[cwydro]

7. Excellent post.

I can't find the thread the OP is referring to, and perhaps that's for the best.

I can only imagine the comments there.

[Ms. Toad]

11. I'm not looking for it -

it will just make me angry. Like the gay slur used against Graham yesterday, or . . . or . . . or . . .

Too much.

[cwydro]

17. Oh crap, I missed that too, but that's so accepted here now...

I spend less and less time here. Things have changed greatly.

Sometimes I think this current administration gave fuel not only to the RW, but to those here who delighted in the sudden freedom to say "p---y." And suddenly had the freedom (apparently) to use gay slurs as long as they were directed at republicans, to call women b-----s if they are on the other side, and so on.

In the last few days, I've also noticed the word "trash" used several times in reference to women. I don't care who these women are or whom they date, I find that offensive as hell.

[Ms. Toad]

20. Agreed. n/t

[obamanut2012]

10. 100% this

[Atticus]

12. Frankly, I am amazed that you could think it possible to call some the n-word "to put them

down" and not KNOW that African Americans would be offended.

And, no, that is most certainly NOT the "exact same reasoning". Any white person using the n-word had better be reading from the works of Mark Twain or Joseph Conrad.

[Ms. Toad]

18. Ugh.

It is the exact same reasoning. The fact that you insist it is not suggests you have some reading of your own to do.

[cwydro]

19. Wow.

You're really not getting this, are you?

[Swede]

43. Just now on reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hmyfr0/say_it_again_say_it_again/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

[meadowlander]

8. When you were called out for using the term "Oriental"

was your response "the person calling me out is too thin-skinned to participate on this message board"? No? Please reflect on why that was and try again.

[grantcart]

42. You should have responded " how very Occidental of you"

[seaglass]

9. I'm with BB and Ms. Toad. And what's the deal with negatively calling out DUers?

[Atticus]

15. Is it your position that Duers cannot be criticized? nt

[hunter]

13. I'm a son of a bitch, a grandson of bitches, I sleep with bitches...

... and I'm a holy mother of God crown queen bitch myself.

What do you mean, Atticus?

It's not likely you'll find me using the word elsewhere on DU except in reference to myself or those in my family who proudly embrace it.


w

On the internet nobody knows you are a dog.

[kcr]

14. So, the DUer who called you out for using that term was not wrong

But anyone calling out others for using the B word is too thin-skinned.

Okay

[mercuryblues]

28. No. He's calling me out

I must have seen women referred to as a B* many times in the past day or so. It is a sexist slur and the OP damned well knows that. If the OP thought I was calling him out for using the term, that's on them.

Whatever people choose to call their bosses, mothers, wives and daughters is no concern of mine.

[kcr]

34. Don't think you meant this for me?

I was just pointing out a glaring inconsistency.

[Atticus]

38. It is more than a little surprising to see how many who accuse me of encouraging "slurs"

see no problem with slurring me. This is at least the second response implying that I routinely use the term "bitch" to disparage women. But, no, I did not think you were "calling me out" for that because it hasn't happened.

But, I assure you that I do not think ill of anyone who has disagreed with me. You are not bad people; you are just wrong. WAY too much time has already been spent on this thread.

[mercuryblues]

55. I never said that and you know it

I said if the OP thought I was calling them out for using the term, that's on them. If you didn't think I was calling you out, then what motivated you to start this OP? Clearly calling out my thread. Then you made claims that clearly are not true.

which insists that ANY use of the term "bitch" for any purpose and in any context is a vile sexist affront.

There are several posts on the appropriate use of the term... when talking about a female dog. You are right I could have said

it doesn't matter what usage you are using it for except for a female dog... But not one of the times I have seen this word used in the past several days, it was not used discussing dogs. You know that.

It doesn't matter what you believe, it is a sexist slur used to demean and berate women, to put them in their place as nothing but whiny female dog that needs to shut up.

[Atticus]

57. Uh, you know that thing I said you implied which you said you never said?

Well, you just repeated it.

[Tipperary]

58. The op seems rather sensitive.

I find that kind of funny given the thread.

[Atticus]

41. Who said "anyone calling out others for using the B word is too thin-skinned?" nt

[Srkdqltr]

21. In a way I wish there was a pejorative that would rise to the level of bi**ch that we could call

You Atticus. But in my experience there is no pejorative for a man that rises to the level of that and other nasty words hurled at women. Excuse me if I dislike hearing women called names. Or men either actually. Grow up.

[cwydro]

24. Funny how some men really don't want to give up that word, isn't it?

I notice the same ones here again and again.

Usually the same ones who love to use gay slurs.

[Atticus]

29. I'll wait while you post links to my posts using the word "bitch" prior to this one

OR using a gay slur.

[cwydro]

37. And I'll wait while you show me where I said you have done so. K?

We get it dude, you like using that word.

Many people have tried to explain this to you, but though you proudly pointed to your "reeducation" in another instance using another word, you seem reluctant to learn about this one.

It'll be ok. Really it will. There now.

[Atticus]

39. Let's see---your post responded to a post which was specifically directed to me

and which criticized me in a thread generated by my OP, but you were not talking about me, right?

Whatever, "dude".

If you think of a meaningful response, please post it.

[cwydro]

50. Irony is truly alive and well.

You start this thread complaining how others are too "thin-skinned," but you're taking things VERY personally here.

Oh my.

I'm going to join the others in the popcorn gallery. Give it up hon.

[Atticus]

26. You delicately refuse to spell out the word "bitch" and you tell me to "grow up"? OK. nt

[Srkdqltr]

33. My kindle changed it every time. When I'm on my pc I'll use it just for you.

[Tipperary]

46. Not everyone wants to use that word.

This thread is unbelievable. You seem to have dug in your heels for some reason. I am gonna go out on a limb and guess you might be an older guy. (Not that there is anything wrong with that). For some reason, I am reminded of Peter Boyle’s character on Everybody Loves Raymond. He played that part perfectly. There is another character from tv that I am reminded of too, but I will not even go there lol.

Edit: sorry I meant to reply to op, not you.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

22. If someone says, "Hey, that hurts," does an ally say "Sorry, won't do it again?"

Or does an ally say LAUGH AND MOVE ON AND KNOW THAT PEOPLE UNINTENTIONALLY OFFEND OTHERS THROUGH IGNORANCE ALL THE TIME AND WE HAVE A LOT ON OUR PLATE RIGHT NOW SURELY WE CAN FIND A BETTER WAY TO USE OUR TIME THAN---"COMPLAINING"---ABOUT THE TERMINOLOGY USED BY WELL-INTENTIONED ALLIES.

[kcr]

25. Edit

Sorry, misunderstood

[Caliman73]

23. You should always think of an insult in the terms of the operative comparison.

The operative comparison is how the term is being used to insult.

If I tell my son or daughter, "Oh my god, you throw like a girl" My implication is that girls do not throw well, that they are inferior. I am insulting my son/daughter by comparing them with a girl.

A Bitch is a female dog. Not just a dog, but a female one. Why not say, "You are whining like a dog" or "Punk as dog". No, the operative insult is still in the dog being a "female"

When you call someone a "son of a bitch" you are insulting their MOTHER in order to insult them, and you are doing so by implying that their mother is a female dog.

My response regarding this term is, "Surely you can find a better way to use your time in finding non-sexist insults".

[Sherman A1]

27. Or we could just use words that get our point across without

using those which are offensive?

[gollygee]

30. That doesn't mean they're thin-skinned

It means they think you did something unacceptable.

[Different Drummer]

31. I saw the "bitch" thread and immediately trashed it.

DD

[GusBob]

32. I dont like the word

But I agree with you because I dont like the language police

I have been barked at for using the terms

Politically correct

And

Own the libs

I kid you not

Because someone thinks they are offensive

We dont make the rules and the word is not banned is it?

[JonLP24]

36. I admit I'm a little thin skinned

You have to realize people are meaner online and I'm sometimes probably meaner than I ordinarily would be when making a post. Studies show this.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/03/health/good-people-bad-online-partner/index.html

People responding to hundreds of millions of people online tend to dehumanize others. They remember that someone is female/male or follows some candidate or is of some race, but they frequently don't pay attention to differentiate actions of one member of that group versus another. So rather than consider how frequently an individual of some group acts, they think of how frequently the group acts as a whole. If they interact with many more members of one group than another, that perception of the group is magnified by the number of members they see.

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/09/there-is-hard-data-that-shows-bernie-bros-are-a-myth/

Whenever it becomes too ugly I log off. I avoid clicking on My Posts tab and my DU experience is much more enjoyable. I just click on threads I'm interested in.

[greenjar_01]

40. Settling in for this

[flying rabbit]

44. ...

[ms liberty]

45. I've never had a problem with that word, but it has always caused a kerfuffle here

I remember an ugly flamefest about it, years ago now - it was probably on DU2, lol. My personal feeling is that if someone calls me a bitch, I take is as a compliment to my independent and determined individuality.

[doc03]

47. I am 72 I find over the years the what was considered the polite name used for a different

race or ethnicity is now considered racist. I just learned Oriental was bad never knew that, thought it was another name for Asian people. We used to say "colored people" now that is unacceptable but apparently "People of Color" is acceptable. I hear that used all the time on TV. Take Kelly Anne Conway the "B" word seems like a pretty good description of that one women. Back in my dad's generation there was a derogatory name for every ethnic group that they even used themselves. Sometimes I don't know what the proper word is to use without being called racist. My dad could have played Archie Bunker without acting and he voted Democrat.

[dhill926]

48. well..I for one, am more looking forward to....

your Friday night wine buzz post...where we can continue to bitch about this there....

[Niagara]

52. You have the wrong person.

Compare the names carefully.

https://democraticunderground.com/10181378605

[Atticus]

53. I believe you are confusing me with ARISTUS. nt

[dhill926]

56. Oops...sorry...

[Atticus]

59. Not a problem. nt

[Tipperary]

49. See post 46.

I accidentally responded to someone else, but it was meant to be a response to your op.

[lostnfound]

51. We believe in creating a welcoming environment for all who support Dems

If you had a teen daughter would you feel good about her boyfriend using that word regularly?