Fugelsang: Putin bought trump's Deutsche bank debt

[lindysalsagal]

No link. I'm listening to John Fugelsang's Sanity pod Cast (july 6, Pete Dominick)

Before Pete came on, Fugelsang made the assertion that based on events and public statements, he believes Putin bought trump's personal debt, and in turn sold all of us to Putin.

It comes along with the news that putin paid bounties for american soldier murders.

Ok, ok. You want evidence, proof, fingerprints. I know. But remember that John has lots of high level contacts, and he knows his shit. And is not sensationalist. And is reality based and honest. I think he's as credible as anyone can be.

So. If/when evidence is ever available, there couldn't be 2 worse cases of treason. He knew for a year that Putin made the bounties public and never denied it or did anything to stop it. Our own soldiers! And he personally profited by selling the influence of our government to our worst enemy.

Murder and corruption.

[themaguffin]

2. I mean, that's something we all assume right? Either Putin or some other Russian entity...

[liberalla]

11. Yep. That's where I'm at. Pretty common knowledge.

I'd still like the details, though. Seth Abramson will shed light on this, I would think.

[Mike 03]

3. Deutsche Bank certainly seems to come up again and again in this conversation

about Trump (and Alfa Bank, possibly, as well).

It would be nice to have the DB records that are alleged to exist, by the son of a former DB employee who killed himself.

Remember those redacted cases Mueller handed off? Wasn't there speculation one or more of them may involve money transfers? Mueller subpoenaed a foreign bank, but I don't recall if we ever found out which one. I had guessed Alfa, but it could have been DB (but haven't they cooperated?).

[Stuart G]

4. here is key sentence, "Fugelsang made the assertion that Putin paid Trump's personal debt" ....

......If true, & can be proven...."Impeachment #2"

[Ilsa]

28. Not necessarily "paid." It's more likely that

The notes were purchased by Putin. Now trump owes putin, legally, who can call him into default if trump screws up just once on the intricacies of his loan. Properties can be foreclosed upon, etc. Therefore, trump wants to do everything he can to make his new lender happy.

[bucolic_frolic]

5. Which makes me think the tax records will never see the light of day

The Supreme Court won't do that to a sitting president. It would be ungentlemanly to the presidency. And they won't want to stir up this mess.

Even with all we've learned and been through, the process moves slowly. Chess moves, carefully choreographed, planned months and years ahead. Which should tell you something about the size of the problem.

In my view, drag in Deutsche Bank and you drag in the history of Deutsche Bank. A lot off things went underground after the war, even if many things were defused or stalemated.

[Lock him up.]

22. The Supreme Court did that to Nixon.

And for more or less a "minor" offense (compared to this one).

They have "precedence" to justify if not.


Make Justice Great Again

[BComplex]

33. Different Supreme Court. Different society.

Those days seem to be long behind us.

[Lock him up.]

34. But the precedent is in the records so they can't ignore it.

Whether or not they could find an acceptable justification for defying that precedent is up in the air.

They already ruled against the WH in many cases we thought they never would.

Barr is not in charge of the SC...

[Lock him up.]

37. Forgot to add: The word "SHALL" in the passed & signed Law...

... is very tough to overturn.

Remember it's the House Ways and Means committee who requested his tax returns, not us, the public at large.

If the SC rules in the committee's favor, it's very unlikely we, the general public, will see them in full, but if the committee finds "irregularities" yeah, we will probably see what they are about (very specific).

[bucolic_frolic]

32. So Birtherism questioned Obama's patriotism so we didn't look closely at Trump's loyalties

more or less.

Subtle projection, once again.

[Javaman]

6. I said something along these lines last week...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213666800

but Fugelsang, does it so much better and accurately.

[empedocles]

7. junior trump admitted years ago that russia made funds available , [that they couldn't

get elsewhere].

'Donald Trump's Many, Many, Many, Many Ties to Russia | Time
https://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia

We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., said at a real estate conference in 2008, according to a trade publication, eTurboNews. The only instance that Trump'

[MineralMan]

8. We need evidence, not assertions.

Anyone can assert anything. Let's see the evidence, and then we can go from there.

If you think I'm defending Trump, you're woefully incorrect. But we need evidence of this, not just someone's assertions.

[usaf-vet]

10. The word (assertions) have to start some where. Even smoke signals start with the 1st puff of smoke.

If true treason would be to kind a description. I don't personally see it as a stretch.

We've all been asking what can Putin have on Trump that keeps him on the pro-Russian leash.

[MineralMan]

15. I wouldn't be surprised of Trump owned Putin money.

It's just that someone asserting that something is true is really useless. Without evidence, there is no action that can be taken. So, simply making an assertion is useless.

[Tommymac]

20. No, it brings attention to the matter...it is the first necessary step. Not useless at all.

As someone posted earlier - you always see the smoke before the fire.

Perhaps there is a legit reason for the smoke, perhaps not the one one thinks.

Allegations from credible sources must be investigated to discover the Truth.

[lindysalsagal]

18. Agreed. And hopefully if this idea starts to rise to the surface, people with that capacity will sta

start urging those in government with the power to investigate international finances to uncover it.

but if you know anything about Fugelsang, there is no one I would trust more than him. And he knows people in very high places, even if he can't mention their names on air.

[Kitchari]

43. This is from January via Forensic News

[link:https://forensicnews.net/2020/01/03/trump-deutsche-bank-loans-underwritten-by-russian-state-owned-bank-whistleblower-told-fbi/|]

I think I saw it here on DU a couple of weeks ago. Excerpt:

The Russian state bank VTB underwrote loans to Donald Trump via Deutsche Bank. Over the course of Trump’s relationship with DB, an inordinate amount of questionable, mismanaged & risky loans approved by Deutsche Bank to Trump required his Personal Guarantee which, over time, also lost its value.

Trump’s team at DB sought out creative ways to circumvent the varied protections DB’s compliance team institutionally implemented, & whether by happenstance or by design Trump’s loans became underwritten by Russia’s own VTB.

[blakstoneranger]

9. Watchu talkin bout willis!

When trump won the 2016 election, he was over $950 million in debt. Much of this debt was owed to china. I read that china sold his debt to someone or something else. He also owed a huge chunk to Goldman/Sachs which is why Steve manuchin was hired as his treasury secretary (nuch was on the board of G/S). If putin bought trumps debt from china, it would explain trumps punk stance with Russia. If Putin called in that debt in its entirety, trump will be mugging old ladies on 5th ave for their purses.

THANK GOODNESS FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES!! WITHOUT THE TIMES, WE WOULD KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS CROOK!!

[triron]

24. But he did't win the election, damn it. Putin stole in for him.

[C Moon]

12. I wonder if the Mueller investigation uncovered any of this.

[papa3times]

13. I have always believed

this and have said it to anyone who would listen for years. It makes total sense. A few hundred million dollars is nothing for Putin and is a small investment to get the sanctions lifted and back into the G-7 to make it the G-8. If the goddamned Supreme Court would do the right thing we could get our hands on the documentation to expose this criminal/traitor Trump for what he is! It will come out eventually someday but we need it now!

[PatrickforO]

14. It will take years before the whole sordid story of the disaster that has

been the Trump presidency emerges.

Decades.

But history will not be kind to Trump or the Republicans.

[lagomorph777]

16. Putin's Pay For Slay* program. Trump is making millions by killing us.

Trump is killing us in multiple ways, including at the least:

Complicity with Putin's Taliban bounty payments to kill US troops.
Sabotage of the US response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
Inflaming racial tensions to trigger a wave of white supremacist terror attacks.

*grateful to DUer "gratuitous" for the term.

[triron]

23. And I say he belongs in a special hell with the worst demons imaginable.

[lagomorph777]

27. Right now, that would be the Oval Office.

[czarjak]

30. "SO MUCH WINNING"

[Champp]

17. Republicans and Russians make for Shit Stew

They are both at work weakening America.

[cilla4progress]

19. It would fit the

bill!

[triron]

21. Trump belongs in a special hell.

[LymphocyteLover]

25. Lawrence O'Donnell made a similar claim a few months back

and then had to walk it back a bit because his source didn't want to go public and he only had one source... IIRC


And FWIW, I'm pretty confident it's true because it connects a lot of dots.

[lindysalsagal]

26. Yes. When you look at everything wit this knowledge, it all makes sense.

And that's really all there is to it. Corruption can be complicated, but it's not any deeper than fear and greed.

[LymphocyteLover]

38. agree. But it drives me crazy how uncurious the media seems to be about this

as well as the long and criminal past of this president

[lindysalsagal]

40. We wouldn't know if anyone were looking into it, but international finance, Deutsche Bank

doesn't have to reveal anything. Only other governments can investigate other governments, and even that's quite limited. That's what all the gangsters are counting on.

[LymphocyteLover]

45. Yeah... that reminds me that there was a Deutsche Bank whistleblower

like the son of a dead banker released his father's files to a reporter for a small online news site. The story never got much traction but seem fairly damning.

Found it: https://forensicnews.net/2020/01/03/trump-deutsche-bank-loans-underwritten-by-russian-state-owned-bank-whistleblower-told-fbi/

[Ilsa]

29. Congress needs to find a way to change the requirements to

Run for office, even if it means amending the Constitution. Complete financial statements and tax returns, going back five or more years, should be required to be disclosed.

[bdamomma]

31. as they say

Follow the money!!!!

[Skittles]

35. it would explain a lot of things

especially Putin helping Trump become prez

[pecosbob]

36. IIRC Deutsche Bank formed a special division within the bank to encapsulate Trump's high risk loans

and further that this debt was specifically guaranteed by Russian oligarchs' money...in other words, Putin. I think this has been common knowlege for several months now.

[zentrum]

39. This has to be the case.

[Dan]

41. Let's not forget

Former SCOTUS Justice Kennedy...and his son that works/ed at Deutsche Bank.

I don’t think it will be years before we get a large part of the story, I think we start getting the information in the first term of the next president. I think that we as a nation are going to be in shock with what will be released. I think that the people that voted for Trump, the ones that still have the ability to feel shame (a minority of them) will be embarrassed and in denial of their voting for him.

I think sadly, we will end of being the laughing stock of the world for as a nation being taken in by a con man.

[lindysalsagal]

42. OH shite. I DID forget that.

They found a way to implicate the right people to initiate and maintain the coverup.

[Snoopy 7]

44. this is all you gotta read

https://forensicnews.net/2020/01/21/russian-government-bank-deposited-500-million-into-deutsche-bank-subsidiary-as-it-lent-to-trump/

[lindysalsagal]

47. HOLYHOLYHOLYHOLYCRAAAAPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!

WHY isn't this on the TV news???????

[GeorgeGist]

46. I suspect...

That Putin is paying Trump bounties for covid19 deaths in the US.