Pence just said that people under 35 getting covid 19 is a good thing...

[wcmagumba]

OMFG!

[spanone]

1. THIS IS A DON TRUMP PRODUCTION

[at140]

2. May be true because majority are Asymptomatic?

But with caveat they do not mingle with more vulnerable folks.

[Ms. Toad]

10. Many get mild cases, some severe -

And the medical evidence increasingly suggests that even mild cases do permanent lung (and other) damage.

So, no. There is no "safe" age at which to get COVID 19. (Even discounting that people under 35 are not in an isolated bubble from the rest of us.)

[Lock him up.]

16. Well, for power-hungry Christians like pence-ill..

... What's a "few" more casualties ( "collateral damages" ) after over 120K dead corpses to worry for...

Lock em up.

[at140]

22. yes, no man is an island!

[Blue_true]

27. Exactly.

It has been seen that even asymptomatic people have small glassy spots in their lungs.

[gulliver]

43. This

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. That doesn't work. If they're asymptomatic, then you have to tell all young people to avoid

all older people. No, it's not a good thing.

[at140]

24. Only thing which could work is....

A mask passing minimum standards required by ALL when out of the house.
But the freaking constitution says something about freedom of expression and movement and assembly.

[pnwmom]

39. But they DO mingle with more vulnerable people, unless all the under 35's stay home. nt

[at140]

45. Exactly! That is the caveat.

[Claustrum]

3. Well, they truly believe in herd immunity.

So eventually, everyone has to get the disease to get to where they want.

[marie999]

4. If there is herd immunity at about 70% and a mortality rate about .6%

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we reach it with about 1,390,000 dead.

[Claustrum]

7. I don't believe in herd immunity personally because of the death cost

But I think they do, or at least that's what they are pushing. That's why young people getting it over with is a good thing because they eventually have to to get to herb immunity. And with less deaths from the young people, they could push the message (lie) that COVID is not that bad.

[wcmagumba]

9. And the possibility of recurrence has not been shown...

either way (it is just unknown at this time) and there are studies showing covid 19 is mutating and is also remarkably resilient...

[Claustrum]

12. Not to mention many of the severe cases from SARS (a close cousin to COVID-19) dies within 5-10 year

Due to the damage to their organs like lungs. Many people in Hong Kong that survived SARS ended up dying within 5-10 years. If 5% of the cases are severe, that means 10 million people (to get to herd immunity) would have shorten their lives due to COVID-19 even if they don't outright die from it right now.

I hate that the media hasn't spoken about this long term impact.

[marie999]

30. That is why I have posted before,

Covid-19 is a novel coronavirus which means this type has never been seen before. That means the scientists do not know what it is capable of doing. I myself do not have a clue whether or not herd immunity is possible. The worse thing would be if you can get it every year until there is a vaccine or even if they will find a vaccine or a cure.

[Ms. Toad]

13. Unfortunately, it has not been established that having the disease creates immunity

even for the person who contracted it.

It is ridiculously irresponsible to promote chasing herd immunity with a disease that often causes permanent lung damage even with mild cases until it is established that having the disease actually creates immunity.

[Cognitive_Resonance]

15. That's right. There's no proof durable "herd immunity" is even a thing for this virus. nt

[LisaL]

23. Or if does create immunity, how long does the immunity last?

If immunity lasts a short time only, herd immunity is not going happen.

[Ms. Toad]

28. Which is why it is so important to have more information

before making stupid recommendations.

[dlk]

5. Pence is a twisted soul

And an ignorant one, too.

[Blue_true]

32. Satan is licking his chops, waiting for the eventual meeting with that asshole. nt

[dlk]

34. No doubt

[wcmagumba]

6. I don't think that anyone getting this horrible virus...

is good with symptoms or not...all can develop ongoing and more permanent complications and all are carriers for family, friends and even for the guy or gal at the mini mart...

[Ohiogal]

8. Exactly.

[tavernier]

11. He said it was encouraging news that people in their 30s and younger are getting it

And the CNN scroll at the bottom of his self satisfied face ran those exact words for the next 10 minutes.

[Ms. Toad]

14. There have been people on DU promoting the exact same thing. n/t

[uponit7771]

20. CDC has squashed that notion (link), Do you have any more calculations based on reality for us?

After that presser it would be nice to have a reality based discussion on where the country is going.

Thx for any input

https://democraticunderground.com/100213657879

[Ms. Toad]

26. A scary image . . .

Notice how much the increase in new cases in March resembles what is going on now (linked boxes)



Numbers are difficult to estimate accuratesly - especially since I've been using a 7-day rolling average.

But if daily average continues the same curve, the number today would need to be around 48,000. My guess, based on where we are now, that we're not going to get that high. Unlike before when NY was the large driver, there are multiple drivers so the curve is not as easy to predict.

The numbers are too erratic to look at single day numbers (the weekend slump interferes with creating a nice curve). We'll probably get there the way we're going. But we're not there yet.

[uponit7771]

37. yep scary

[Ms. Toad]

40. Worldometers just adjusted the total prior to today up by 3000

That means every datapoint, possibly back to the beginning changes.

. . . updating my chart. I think it may be the NJ massive increase from yesterday or the day before that they initially dumped in as a single day, then backed it out again.

[uponit7771]

41. +1, I value your data a lot ... It looks like we're going towards 50,000 stable around July 15th

[Ms. Toad]

42. Data updated

From March 13 through yesterday, they added about 3000 new cases and reclassified 1232 new "June 18" casesto earlier dates. The number of cases added to each day from 3/13 to yesterday ranges from 1 to 250.

Similar, but not as significant, deaths were also increased and adjusted. About 1800 new deaths were added to earlier dates. My recollection is that this is about the number of new deaths reported momentarily by New Jersey that were marked "unclassified" then removed. 280 deaths from yesterday were also shifted to earlier dates. Daily increases in deaths range from 1 to 55.

The newly found/reclassified deaths move the day we passed 100,000 deaths from Memorial day back to to Saturday, May 23.

With my formula adjusted after the data adjustment, today's new cases are slightly higher than predicted by my curve (but that's probably typical for Friday).

To keep the 7-day average curve, tomorrow could drop to 45,000 (a normal drop for a Saturday). But we're in uncharted territory, since when we hit 39,116 on April 24 we were at the peak of the curve, rather than on the steep slope going up.) At some point I would expect the weight of the cases to drown out the weekend dip.

[Blue_true]

33. I know of only one person that considered that and her reasons at that time

were fairly sound. More recent data is indicating that herd immunity with SARS-COV-2 is difficult to reach and that a given person may have immunity for only 2-4 months.

[Ms. Toad]

38. There were never sound reasons for promoting people go out and get the disease now.

It has been known from very early that being infected does not necessarily confer immunity. So no one should ever have been encouraging herd immunity. February 27

It has been known from very early that, although there are populations that are more vulnerable - even in "safe" populations there have been very severe illnesses leaving permanent damage. March 18 February 14

It has been known from very early that asymptomatic patients can transmit the disease Recommendations citing studies as early as January

It has been known from the beginning that no man lives in a bubble - so anyone who intentionally gets infected has always been a threat to everyone they come into contact with, and everyone in contact within anyone they have been in contact with.

And - even without specifics we learned in the early months, we have known from the beginning that this is a completely unknown disease that is deadly. No one should have been suggesting trying deliberately to become infected until we knew more about the disease.

[phylny]

17. I'm sure the parents of the 17-year-old girl from Florida who died

think otherwise.

[uponit7771]

19. Not according to the CDC (Link)

https://democraticunderground.com/100213657879

[Corgigal]

21. We don't know

what this RNA virus is setting up. Even some young show lung damage.

Pence again, is putting profits over lives. Please young people, don’t listen to them.

[Blue_true]

25. Yeah.

Having a good chance of developing lifelong disabilities, if a person doesn't die, is a good thing.

Those assholes are so desperate to twist their incompetence into something good that they are saying superbly stupid shit.

[Caliman73]

29. No. It isn't.

That MIGHT, maybe be true if he was intimating about Immunity and antibodies... but nothing in the research indicates anything about Immunity or antibodies right now. Even with the entire population under 35 ALL being immune, it would mean that 65.5% of the population is immune. That is typically not enough to provide herd immunity to the rest of us.


Pence and Trump are idiots!

[lettucebe]

31. He's as dumb as tRump. Who knew? Oh, right, everyone knew.

He's so strange, but saying it's a good thing that anyone gets the virus is simply ignorant

[coti]

35. Young people with fewer or no symptoms, and who are more social and less thoughtful than older

people overall, are more likely to spread the disease when they get it. It's not a "good thing."

[Baclava]

36. Go Herd Go! Go Herd Go! Moooooooooooo

[Crunchy Frog]

44. A not insignificant number of them end up critically ill,

or permanently damaged, and a non-negligable number end up dead.

Not something even for young people to fuck around with.

Fuck Pence.