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It has the approval of the F(reedom) T(o) B(reathe) A(ssociation) - So it's legit
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,706 posts)because he has a concealed carry permit for his gun.
I haven't checked on that yet, but
packman
(16,296 posts)sl8
(13,880 posts)North Carolina licensed concealed carry holders can legally wear face masks amid coronavirus concern
Updated: 5:54 PM EDT Jun 24, 202
Wounded Bear
(58,706 posts)PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)I'd advise him to leave the gun at home and wear a mask in public.
Nevilledog
(51,197 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)sarisataka
(18,770 posts)Starting this Friday, all Washington residents will be required to wear masks or face coverings inside public places.
Following the Governor's announcement on Tuesday, many of you asked how this order will affect Washington's concealed pistol license holders.
There are posts online that say Washington law does not allow you to conceal carry a firearm while wearing a mask.
But, how does this line up with Washington state law?
The article goes on to explain why a mask worn for Covid does not make concealed carry illegal.
Wounded Bear
(58,706 posts)albacore
(2,406 posts)"Amesh Adalja, M.D., a pandemic preparedness expert at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, says, There's a lot of at least biological possibility to suspect that [shields] are definitely better than homemade face masks, and maybe even better than other types of masks as well, because they not only prevent you from spreading it
[and] because it also covers your eyes, it provides more protection to the mucus membranes of your face where you might be getting infected.
https://www.aarp.org/health/healthy-living/info-2020/shields-compared-to-masks.html
JHB
(37,161 posts)mucifer
(23,565 posts)they have respiratory or cardiac diseases or claustrophobia.
If everyone else wears a mask we'd be fine.
Governor Pritzker of Illinois is very strict on following science and he explained it well.
wryter2000
(46,081 posts)If they're that compromised, they shouldn't be around other people.
Caliman73
(11,744 posts)Those people usually carry the medical order that supports that claim.
What is being posted in this thread is a group of 300 people who are printing out useless cards and promoting defiance of mask wearing for "personal liberty" not any legitimate medical need.
We should not be conflating these groups with anything legitimate. If you cannot wear a mask, then your doctor should know and should write a letter that you can show.
We know that there are legitimately children who cannot receive vaccines because they are allergic or their immune system is too compromised. That doesn't mean that we don't call our anti-vaxxers who are just "worried" because they saw a facebook post.
LeftInTX
(25,551 posts)sl8
(13,880 posts)From https://www.ada.gov/covid-19_flyer_alert.html
COVID-19 ALERT
*COVID-19 ALERT: Fraudulent Facemask Flyers*
The Department of Justice has been made aware of postings or flyers on the internet regarding the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) and the use of face masks due to the COVID-19 pandemic, many of which include the Department of Justices seal.
These postings were not issued by the Department and are not endorsed by the Department.
The Department urges the public not to rely on the information contained in these postings and to visit ADA.gov for ADA information issued by the Department.
For more information and technical assistance about the ADA, please contact the ADA Information Line at 800-514-0301 (voice) and 800-514-0383 (TTY).
BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)Aristus
(66,462 posts)Because apparently smoking is still the cool and rebellious thing to do.
Not one of them has told me they were unable to wear a mask due to being unable to breathe or whatever. Hell, I have patients with combined asthma/COPD, congestive heart failure, and a history of pulmonary embolism, and they all wear masks when they come in to the clinic.
No, the whole anti-mask hysteria was invented by Trumpsters as part of their never-ending campaign to oppose science and reason whenever possible. They have been abetted by AM hate radio spewing anti-mask idiocy all day.
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)It is a scam.
Most of the people who have legitimate medical reasons for not wearing masks should be sheltering in place becasue the disease itself is a respiratory disease and the vast majority of real medical issues are respiratory (either you can't pull in enough oxygen, or your body is inefficient at using it). Anyone who has that kind of need is at a significantly increased risk for debilitating consequences from COVID 19 - and should not risk exposure.
Some, however, have non-respiratory conditions (the main one I can think of is autism).
BUT that card (and the covidiots who carry it) make it much harder for people who really can't wear a mask - because instead of assuming that people not wearing masks are among the few who legitimatley cannot wear them, the immediate suspicion is that the person not wearing masks are mask slackers/covidiots.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)Reminds me of something Bart Simpson would come up with.
Bart: But Mom, making me wear a mask is a violation of the ADA!
Homer: He's got us there Marge
Marge: MMMMMmmmm
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)wryter2000
(46,081 posts)I wish I had a business so I could use that.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,856 posts)Give me my card, please.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)No mask.
No medical care.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,856 posts)Print those cards ASAP!
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)I really don't see how they are violating the ADA.
For example, if businesses offer to do shopping for those unable to wear a mask, I don't think they have a case.
Freddie
(9,273 posts)Immediate tip-off this is a fake.
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)The ADA does require businesses to accommodate people who are actually dieabled (or perceived to be disabled), and whose disability prevents them from wearing a mask.
Once that threshold is passed, businesses (places of public accommodations) must reasonably accommodate needs related to the disability. (The business can take into account the safety of other consumers, so it is extremely likely that providing a shopping service would be an appropriate accommodation.)
But The whole point of the ADA is to increase access. To do that, rather than allowing the person with a disability to choose from the 6-chocolate box that people without disabilities get to choose from - it allows them to design their own chocolate (to have an accommodation that allows them to access to the public accommodation). Too often, the ADA is interpreted as merely expanding the chocolate selection to 12 (i.e. these are the accommodations we offer. If they don't work for you - too bad). This is a misreading of the law.
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)Moran.
packman
(16,296 posts)The whole "card" thing reminded me of those Liberal Hunting Permits from a few years back:
But, hey, don't take it seriously. You know, liberals have no sense of humor. It's just Repukes kidding around.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,895 posts)PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)or safety of others."
https://r.search.aol.com/_ylt=A2KLfRu_0PRek24APBBpCWVH;_ylu=X3oDMTByNXM5bzY5BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMzBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1593131328/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.insider.com%2fanti-mask-protesters-cite-ada-disability-law-dodge-mask-requirement-2020-5/RK=0/RS=fBaqIOA8Gtn8w7qgNsT.VDLeSP0-
More guidance here:
Examples of reasonable modifications to a face mask policy
-Allow a person to wear a scarf, loose face covering, or full face shield instead of a face mask;
-Allow customers to order online with curbside pick-up or no contact delivery in a timely manner;
-Allow customers to order by phone with curb-side pick-up or no contact delivery in a timely manner;
-Allow a person to wait in a car for an appointment and enter the building when called or texted; or
-Offer appointments by telephone or video calls.
https://www.adasoutheast.org/ada/publications/legal/ada-and-face-mask-policies.php
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)better than my on-the-fly summary above.
One key thing is that the starting point is the person must be disabled. If their condition is not disabling, the ADA does not cover them.
Further the disability must prevent them from wearing a mask (so if your disability is that you are a double amputee, it is unlikely that that particular disablity will prevent you from wearing a mask).
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)Link to tweet
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Maeve
(42,288 posts)What's True
The ADA requires that businesses with mandatory mask rules for customers due to COVID-19 also must accommodate people who may not be able to wear masks due to medical conditions or disabilities. In many cases individuals do not need to disclose or provide proof of those medical conditions.
What's False
However, face mask "exempt" cards were declared fraudulent by the U.S. Department of Justice. The FTBA, the organization mentioned on the card to report potential violations to, also does not appear to be officially recognized by any government agencies as an enforcing body.
Mosby
(16,350 posts)The U.S. Department of Justice issued two settlement agreements that provide guidance on the reasonable modification decision-making process.[23][24]
Choose at least one person, and a back-up, who are authorized to receive and review requests for reasonable modifications. The decision-maker for a state or local government agency is the head of the public agency or his/her designee.[25]
After receiving a request for a reasonable modification, talk with the individual with a disability to learn why the person needs to modify the face mask policy and to find a solution that meets ADA requirements. Decisions about reasonable modifications should be made in a timely manner.
After the discussion, the government agency or private business may:
Agree to the request.
Ask for medical documentation about the persons disability that is necessary to:
Verify that the individual meets the ADA definition of disability (i.e., has a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities); or
Describe the needed modification; or
Show the relationship between the individual's disability and the need for the requested modification.
It is important to remember that if a persons disability is obvious, information about the disability should not be requested unless it is necessary to evaluate the disability-related need for the modification. In most cases, an individual's medical records or detailed information about the nature of an individual's disability are not necessary for this inquiry.
Deny the request. If a request for modification is denied, a state or local government agency must provide a written statement as to why the request was denied. Private businesses are also encouraged to document the reason for denying a request for reasonable modification, provide a copy to the person with a disability, and keep a copy on file.
https://www.adasoutheast.org/ada/publications/legal/ada-and-face-mask-policies.php
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)These cards are totally bogus
Link to tweet
Now nondisabled scammers want you to believe that the ADA protects them from having to wear a face mask in public. Dont believe them.
An outfit calling itself the Freedom to Breathe Agency (both its Wix website and Facebook group have now been taken down) has been distributing a Face Mask Exempt Card designed to be presented to businesses. The card reads: I am exempt from any ordinance requiring face mask usage in public. Wearing a face mask poses a mental and/or physical risk to me. Under the Americans with Disability Act (ADA), I am not required to disclose my condition to you. The card also features the seal of the U.S. Department of Justice and the threat If found in violation of the ADA you could face steep penalties. Organizations and businesses can be fined up to $75,000 for your first violation and $150,000 for any subsequent violations.
That might sound vaguely convincing if you arent familiar with the ADA. But its all nonsensethe Department of Justice has called the cards fraudulent. And its dangerous nonsense at that.
First, when were considering face masks, the ADA applies only to people who are actually disabled. It is absolutely true that there are people who cannot wear a face mask because they have a disability. And while there is no sort of master list of ADA-approved reasons for not wearing a mask, to give just a few examples, they may include people with COPD, asthma, cystic fibrosis, PTSD, and autism. These are the people the ADA is designed to protectpeople who are actually disabled. The ADA does not apply to ableds lying about disability in order to spread a disease that disproportionately kills members of marginalized groupse.g., the Black, Latinx, indigenous, poor, and, yes, disability communities.