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Chalk Wall lady's husband got fired too (Original Post) StarfishSaver Jun 2020 OP
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Jun 2020 #1
That was probably a pretty good job, too. Sucks to be him. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #2
When they realize we are their equals and not their subjects malaise Jun 2020 #3
The hardest part of freedom is giving it to others...nt Wounded Bear Jun 2020 #4
Sad but true malaise Jun 2020 #5
And they don't see that it is a problem pandr32 Jun 2020 #24
+1 Nevilledog Jun 2020 #44
You give them to much credit, they are not equal to Mr. Juanillo. Alex4Martinez Jun 2020 #6
+1,000 malaise Jun 2020 #10
Twitter has turned out to be a great resource to fight these racists. brush Jun 2020 #13
Racists should go back into their dank and smelly closet again lunatica Jun 2020 #19
After Nov they will be. Oppaloopa Jun 2020 #47
I'll do my part to make it so! lunatica Jun 2020 #48
It is getting to the point where even their "peops" are outing them. Blue_true Jun 2020 #52
This is a very expensive neighborhood... orwell Jun 2020 #7
The homeowner said the neighborhood was in solidarity madaboutharry Jun 2020 #9
Interestingly ... StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #14
+1 Thank you for that insight. CaptainTruth Jun 2020 #25
He's lived in that house for 18 years Boomer Jun 2020 #33
Interesting perspective. AllyCat Jun 2020 #35
They probably referred to him as James the Gardener.......for 18 years. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2020 #37
+10,000 alittlelark Jun 2020 #54
They may have seen him but assumed he was someone other than the owner of the house JI7 Jun 2020 #58
Both of them fired from high-paying jobs OnlinePoker Jun 2020 #27
I wonder how long they will be able to stay there with him being jobless csziggy Jun 2020 #39
They'll probably move to a much less expensive city where all their neighbors are white... hunter Jun 2020 #42
I was thinking the exact same thing. NurseJackie Jun 2020 #45
Thoughts and prayers!!!!! AZ8theist Jun 2020 #51
Yes! sheshe2 Jun 2020 #8
It sure is getting expensive to be a racist dick. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #11
+1, #RacsimIsExpensive uponit7771 Jun 2020 #60
Ladies and Gents I give you - ChalkGate. 42bambi Jun 2020 #12
I didn't know they actually called the cops! The friggin' nerve! BComplex Jun 2020 #15
Great! Another "learning experience to grow from." "I'm not really like that." NBachers Jun 2020 #16
my late mom said if you dont have anything nice to say , dont say it at all. AllaN01Bear Jun 2020 #17
Both fired - loss of income, maybe forced to move from cushy neighborhood packman Jun 2020 #18
Thus the saying, "Karma is a bitch!" lunatica Jun 2020 #21
WAH WAH, thoughts and prayers HAB911 Jun 2020 #20
good samsingh Jun 2020 #22
and then she only issues an apology after she lost everything AlexSFCA Jun 2020 #23
Didn't know they called the police. zentrum Jun 2020 #26
K&R Sherman A1 Jun 2020 #28
what got me was: she said quote ' I know you don't own this property' when its public bonniebgood Jun 2020 #29
The police she called knew immediately that he owned the property. StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #31
Minor correction. LisaM Jun 2020 #56
She's apologizing all over the place. louis-t Jun 2020 #30
What her apology means. zentrum Jun 2020 #32
"I'm so sorry I can't do these things with impunity any more".... Marie Marie Jun 2020 #46
I'm betting a PR firm wrote her statement Boomer Jun 2020 #34
It was probably a violation of HOA rules. Lock him up! yellowcanine Jun 2020 #36
Yeah Gothmog Jun 2020 #38
Raymond James protecting their bottom line. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2020 #40
That's fine. It's got to start somewhere StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #41
racism is encouraged by making excuses for racists JI7 Jun 2020 #59
Make racism expensive... SidDithers Jun 2020 #43
Displays or racism, be they covert or overt always must have consequences to the racists. Blue_true Jun 2020 #49
If I've said it once, I've said it a million times... MrScorpio Jun 2020 #50
The moral is: Don't act like a racist dick in public. Crunchy Frog Jun 2020 #53
This is really encouraging. mountain grammy Jun 2020 #55
Sure hope she wasn't making installment payments on all that face and body work. NBachers Jun 2020 #57
Lisa reminds me of my Republican sister Awsi Dooger Jun 2020 #61
I'm sorry ... JoeDuck Jun 2020 #62
Who said anything about feeling celebratory? StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #63

The Velveteen Ocelot

(116,436 posts)
2. That was probably a pretty good job, too. Sucks to be him.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 10:18 AM
Jun 2020

Maybe if people want to keep being racist assholes they'll remember to just do it in private by voting for Trump and using the n-word among friends at posh dinner parties that they still get invited to because they haven't been outed on social media and fired by their embarrassed employers. But the good thing about social media is that when dumb racists post shit on Twitter or say shit while they're being recorded, at least we know who they are.

Alex4Martinez

(2,215 posts)
6. You give them to much credit, they are not equal to Mr. Juanillo.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 10:27 AM
Jun 2020

They might have a higher economic rank, which is vulgar but typical in our rotten culture.

But Mr. Juanillo outranks the two of them in terms of humanity, I think you'll agree!

brush

(54,304 posts)
13. Twitter has turned out to be a great resource to fight these racists.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 10:45 AM
Jun 2020

A lot of people who you'd think were smarter keep getting caught on video being straight up racists who then suffer the doxxing consequences.

When will they learn.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
19. Racists should go back into their dank and smelly closet again
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jun 2020

These are the same people who used to whisper their hate while covering their mouths for fear of being heard. Ugh! I hated that I was guilty by dint of the color of my skin.

Trump has given them permission to come out in the open to spew their hate, contaminating the earth. We need to drive them into the swamps again, because at least then we don’t have them screaming in our faces.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
52. It is getting to the point where even their "peops" are outing them.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 08:03 PM
Jun 2020

Remember that woman from a couple of weeks ago ranting about how much she loved Trump and his wall, and her hoping that he send "all of them back to the shithoke countries that they came from"? She thought that she was uniformly Zooming with friends that were ok with her fucking racism.

orwell

(7,787 posts)
7. This is a very expensive neighborhood...
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 10:27 AM
Jun 2020

...in a very expensive city.

You have a lot of money if you live in Pacific Heights.

This woman and her husband were very representative of the type of people that live in the neighborhood.

I'm sure they will both land on their feet.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
14. Interestingly ...
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 11:11 AM
Jun 2020

These people claimed to have no idea who this neighbor was, but ... when the police arrived, they recognized him immediately as a homeowner they knew, and they left.

Apparently, his ownership and presence in that neighborhood was neither new nor a big secret, but these two people never seemed to have seen him before.

This is what it means to be invisible in America. We are not seen until we are seen as a menace or a criminal.

Boomer

(4,174 posts)
33. He's lived in that house for 18 years
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:02 PM
Jun 2020

This negates the people who defend the neighbors' lie with the suggestions that they knew the previous owner of the house. Umm, nope, that's not the case.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,517 posts)
37. They probably referred to him as James the Gardener.......for 18 years.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:43 PM
Jun 2020

.......... ..........

"The last 48 hours have taught me that my actions were those of someone who is not aware of the damage caused by being ignorant and naive to racial inequalities," wrote Alexander. "I did not realize at the time that my actions were racist and have learned a painful lesson."

(James) Juanillo, who identifies as Filipino, said he has rented the house for nearly two decades.

"People should ask themselves if this Karen would have believed me if I said, 'Yes Maam, I sure do live in this multi million dollar mansion, for almost 18 years now!'" he tweeted on Saturday. "If she was capable of believing that in the first place, she would never have bothered me."

From: https://www.sfgate.com/local/editorspicks/article/Lisa-Alexander-apology-Black-Lives-Matter-SF-15339447.php

Racism, xenophobia and elitism seems to come along with high wealth in most cases but with a thin veneer of social responsibility. Sadly, far too many Americans worship this class of people.

KY

JI7

(89,348 posts)
58. They may have seen him but assumed he was someone other than the owner of the house
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 05:35 AM
Jun 2020

They might have just seen a person of color and assumed maybe he was delivering food or doing some other job . But never thought he could actually own the place.

OnlinePoker

(5,734 posts)
27. Both of them fired from high-paying jobs
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:36 PM
Jun 2020

I wonder how long before they'll be forced to move out of the area because they can't afford it anymore.

csziggy

(34,144 posts)
39. I wonder how long they will be able to stay there with him being jobless
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:54 PM
Jun 2020

And her business now being linked to her racism? I wouldn't be at all surprised if they spend every penny of their formerly high income and they don't have enough set aside to support them through hard times.

What a shame if they have to move to a less affluent neighborhood.

hunter

(38,422 posts)
42. They'll probably move to a much less expensive city where all their neighbors are white...
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 02:54 PM
Jun 2020

... and intolerant of anyone who isn't.

Perhaps Trump will invite them to Oklahoma and they'll find a place there.

I doubt they are going to end up homeless.


SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
11. It sure is getting expensive to be a racist dick.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 10:34 AM
Jun 2020

Maybe people will learn to mind their own fucking business.

BComplex

(8,163 posts)
15. I didn't know they actually called the cops! The friggin' nerve!
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 11:19 AM
Jun 2020

I'm so glad they have been outed. Racists are coming out of the woodwork since trump took the bully pulpit.

AllaN01Bear

(19,524 posts)
17. my late mom said if you dont have anything nice to say , dont say it at all.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 11:44 AM
Jun 2020

another one hitting the unemplyment lines . why arnt these people being charged with false police reports ? lemme guess, white ? and dear leader is embolding them.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
18. Both fired - loss of income, maybe forced to move from cushy neighborhood
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 11:50 AM
Jun 2020

Into a less "Comfortable" one with maybe more chalk sayings they will have to bear seeing. Poor things--

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
23. and then she only issues an apology after she lost everything
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:09 PM
Jun 2020

So this is the remedy, zero tolerance to racism. These people won’t learn until their livelihoods are taken away.

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
26. Didn't know they called the police.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:34 PM
Jun 2020

Thanks for the info.

All I saw was him asking her to call them.

Severe social and economic consequences are all that will work for White privilege.

bonniebgood

(943 posts)
29. what got me was: she said quote ' I know you don't own this property' when its public
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:52 PM
Jun 2020

record who owns the property. because in her mind brown people couldn't possible own property in this neighborhood.
what ever happen to minding your own damn business?

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
31. The police she called knew immediately that he owned the property.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:58 PM
Jun 2020

She obviously had just been looking through him for years and only saw him when she thought he was committing a crime.

LisaM

(27,901 posts)
56. Minor correction.
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 02:52 AM
Jun 2020

He says above that he's rented the house for 18 years. He doesn't actually own the property.

They certainly should have known he lives there. I lived in the same rental house for 18 years and we knew all our neighbors.

louis-t

(23,354 posts)
30. She's apologizing all over the place.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:56 PM
Jun 2020

I want to keep asking these morons if spouting their 'opinions' all over social media then losing their jobs was worth it?

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
32. What her apology means.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:00 PM
Jun 2020

I'm so sorry I can't do these things with impunity any more.

I'm so sorry I got outed by video.

I'm so sorry I will now have consequences.






Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
46. "I'm so sorry I can't do these things with impunity any more"....
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 07:13 PM
Jun 2020

I can understand her confusion, Her President has showed her everyday that she COULD do these things. But, the times they are a changing. Now, join the ranks of the little people that Trump's incompetence have shoved on to the unemployment lines.

Boomer

(4,174 posts)
34. I'm betting a PR firm wrote her statement
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:06 PM
Jun 2020

It's oh-so-perfect. I'm sure she paid someone else good money to write a sincere and politically correct apology, so she doesn't end up sticking her foot in her mouth all over again.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,517 posts)
40. Raymond James protecting their bottom line.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 02:04 PM
Jun 2020

I get exhausted from reading of corporations making face-saving moves when many are rotten to core with promoting global economic and asset inequality which is at the root of a system that literally profits from division, building walls and injustice.....all of which encourage racism.

Firing Mr. Larkin was the right thing to do but in light of the above, it's really superficial and business goes on as usual.

Their systemic racism will simply go from occasionally overt to increasingly covert.

Thanks for the post, StarfishSaver........

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
41. That's fine. It's got to start somewhere
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 02:08 PM
Jun 2020

And if getting socked in the pocketbook gets their attention, I'm all for it.

And no, I don't agree that it becoming increasingly covert is a bad thing. It takes a long time to change hearts and minds. But we can change behavior. And when the behavior changes, hearts and minds usually follow.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
49. Displays or racism, be they covert or overt always must have consequences to the racists.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 07:50 PM
Jun 2020

That is the only way it stops.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
50. If I've said it once, I've said it a million times...
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 07:57 PM
Jun 2020

Racists won't learn until you start fucking up their cash flow.

Crunchy Frog

(26,748 posts)
53. The moral is: Don't act like a racist dick in public.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 08:16 PM
Jun 2020

It can cost you your job, your business, your future employment prospects, your reputation, and basically, you can wreck your life.

I wonder when these types are finally going to learn to control themselves, even just out of naked self interest.

Maybe there should be something like a social Darwin Award.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
61. Lisa reminds me of my Republican sister
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 06:10 AM
Jun 2020

The mannerisms and attitude are an uncanny match. Many similarities physically also.

A few years ago my sister demanded to see the "papers" of my aunt's tenant. He was a proud Cuban guy and totally outraged.

Major difference is my sister would be drunk and stumbling. No question about it.

JoeDuck

(79 posts)
62. I'm sorry ...
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 08:26 AM
Jun 2020

but I can't feel celebratory over someone being fired, or even for expressing a racist opinion. Loss of job may be the right penalty but that doesn't make me happy. I remain sad, perhaps angry, that so many people retain evil racist thoughts and act on them. I keep hoping that the next generation or the next after that will have overcome harboring ill will over others because of differences in appearance. But with Donald Trump feeding raw meat to the Lions of Bigotry, I don't know how long it will take.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
63. Who said anything about feeling celebratory?
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 08:54 AM
Jun 2020

But if anyone does feel that way it is probably less about the fact that someone lost their job and more about the fact that when people see that systems that have consistently ignored and explained away their oppression and tell us we're overreacting ehen we are mistreated actually acknowledge that oppression, stand with us for a change and take steps to address that oppression, it is a great feeling.

If losing his job isn't an appropriate remedy, what do you suggest? And please don't suggest training or conversation, etc. This man and his wife didn't treat that man the way they did for lack of knowledge or information. They did it because they felt they COULD because they had never had to experience any consequences for their behavior.

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