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babylonsister

(171,059 posts)
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 06:21 AM Jun 2020

A Wasted Presidency

https://politicalwire.com/2020/06/10/a-wasted-presidency/

A Wasted Presidency
June 10, 2020 at 11:48 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard


Rich Lowry: “If he loses in November, it won’t because he pursued a big legislative reform that was a bridge too far politically. It won’t be because he adopted a creative and unorthodox policy mix that alienated his own side. It won’t even be because he was overwhelmed by events, challenging though they’ve been.”

“It will mostly be because he took his presidency and needlessly drove into the ground, 280 characters at a time.”

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A Wasted Presidency (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2020 OP
and because he was an unremitting asshole completely unsuited for leading this country LymphocyteLover Jun 2020 #1
Unfit from the beginning. kentuck Jun 2020 #2
I've No Sympathy For Present-Day Conservatives Vogon_Glory Jun 2020 #3
Think of the last 5. zipplewrath Jun 2020 #4
As one of this board's not-so-liberals, I'd disagree with you on Tricky Dick and Pater Bush Vogon_Glory Jun 2020 #10
"Let it die." Good idea, great really. jaxexpat Jun 2020 #11
It's a bad string zipplewrath Jun 2020 #16
I would argue that the crook and pater Bush weren't that bad Vogon_Glory Jun 2020 #17
The imperial presidency zipplewrath Jun 2020 #18
Actually he drove the country into the ground, and all it stands for, all previous actions bucolic_frolic Jun 2020 #5
Lies, insults, smears, crazy tweets, conspiracy theories, alienating allies, undermining democracy The Blue Flower Jun 2020 #6
He's a loser and the only thing he could ever run was his mouth BeyondGeography Jun 2020 #7
It couldn't end any other way. It was always going to be a Solly Mack Jun 2020 #8
Very well said canetoad Jun 2020 #25
Thank you. Solly Mack Jun 2020 #27
To begin with he wasn't elected he was INSTALLED with the help of a foreign power. usaf-vet Jun 2020 #9
There should be an asterisk behind his name forever more. liberalla Jun 2020 #13
I'd settled for a federal prison number for him including a set of sequential numbers for his kids. usaf-vet Jun 2020 #14
YES, 45 in Federal Prison would make me happy. And deny him tweeting privileges forever. liberalla Jun 2020 #15
Unprecedented dismantling of democracy, governmental institutions and stacking the courts with Evolve Dammit Jun 2020 #12
I read it all.. Grins Jun 2020 #19
I wish it was only "wasted"...It's been brutally damaging to our country...nt Wounded Bear Jun 2020 #20
Hillary's presidency is the one that was wasted. Maven Jun 2020 #21
It would not have been possible to have sent a more worthless piece of shit ooky Jun 2020 #22
I never knew there were people like him. babylonsister Jun 2020 #23
Me either. ooky Jun 2020 #24
Because he is a career criminal. dalton99a Jun 2020 #26

LymphocyteLover

(5,644 posts)
1. and because he was an unremitting asshole completely unsuited for leading this country
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 07:18 AM
Jun 2020

not to mention the lies and crimes and treason

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
3. I've No Sympathy For Present-Day Conservatives
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 07:25 AM
Jun 2020

A political movement that can sort through the better part of two dozen candidates and then propels someone like Donald Trump into the White House has serious flaws in both it concepts and operating procedures.

To the right-wing lurkers reading this post, THIS man, THIS administration, is the best you can put forward?



And then you wonder why it fails?



If you wonder why the thoughtful, responsible American patriots you drove away joined Team Donkey, this is just one iteration of what caused us to walk away in dismay and anger.

And no, we ain’t coming back.





zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
4. Think of the last 5.
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 07:33 AM
Jun 2020

Nixon, Reagan, Bush 1 and 2 and Trump. I know they venerate Reagan, but otherwise they aren't even big fans. And Reagan couldn't even get nominated these days.

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
10. As one of this board's not-so-liberals, I'd disagree with you on Tricky Dick and Pater Bush
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 07:59 AM
Jun 2020

But let’s get real here. The 1988 elections were over thirty—THIRTY—years ago. By the 1992 election, Movement (so-called) Conservatism had gripped the Republican Party so tightly that George HW had to hop through hoops just to get re-nominated.

Whatever our disagreements about Republicans past, thirty years is a long time. I think we can say if there is no hope for the Republican Party to learn to govern responsibly.

Let it die.

jaxexpat

(6,820 posts)
11. "Let it die." Good idea, great really.
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 08:17 AM
Jun 2020

Even from one whose head is maybe still in the sand about Nixon and HW Bush. It's not a smug, purist, platitude and attitude to deny essential disrespect for the rule of law as acceptable in one's choice for executive. Should be a requirement, otherwise what's the point of an informed electorate?

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
16. It's a bad string
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 12:25 PM
Jun 2020

You have the crook, the brain addeled, Pres. Thyroid Storm, his warmongering son, and the idiot. That's not a really good string. You can try to defend some of their policies, but it seems to suggest that the only way for the GOP to govern is with these kinds of people in charge. Worse, it seems to suggest that these are the kinds of people that appeal to the GOP. Look at all of the candidates that they overlooked over the years and chose vastly less capable nominees. Looking back, the best they've offered as candidates are probably Dole and Romney. And they both lost because of their inability to appeal to much of the GOP.

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
17. I would argue that the crook and pater Bush weren't that bad
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 01:52 PM
Jun 2020

But to argue about them is a waste of time. Neither Nixon nor Poppy Bush would have a snowball’s chance in a red-hot Hell of getting the Republican Party nomination, and the 2016 election and all that led up to it since Nixon’s Southern Strategy shows that the rational, competent responsibly-governing Republicans are but a minority in their party (Not even a plurality), and are likely to remain so—even with direct intervention by God Almighty.

To discuss a successor party to the Republican Party is putting the cart at least a full pasture before the horse, so far away that I doubt I’ll live to see it even if I live to be 100 (I’m 65).

The last mostly-competent Republican President left office on January 20th, 1993. As much as I dislike posting predictions, I’d say that there won’t be another.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
18. The imperial presidency
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 02:55 PM
Jun 2020

It was the concept, pushed by the Nixon administration, which we now see playing out again in this administration. It was also pushed by the Bush II administration. We/the GOP may nominate someone with better political skills, in the future, but the underlying problems that we saw with Nixon, lived on in many ways in the subsequent administrations, and the party itself. Getting rid of Trump won't change that.

bucolic_frolic

(43,147 posts)
5. Actually he drove the country into the ground, and all it stands for, all previous actions
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 07:42 AM
Jun 2020

to make it 1935 again. Historians will struggle for a hundred years, was it really a Nazi renaissance? Or was it ideas reverberating in a blow-fish mind?

The Blue Flower

(5,442 posts)
6. Lies, insults, smears, crazy tweets, conspiracy theories, alienating allies, undermining democracy
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 07:45 AM
Jun 2020

That's all he's got. These do not make a presidency.

BeyondGeography

(39,370 posts)
7. He's a loser and the only thing he could ever run was his mouth
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 07:48 AM
Jun 2020

And the faithful bought it. He’s the destiny of a Republican Party built on very big and deeply cynical social and economic policy lies.

Solly Mack

(90,764 posts)
8. It couldn't end any other way. It was always going to be a
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 07:49 AM
Jun 2020

waste - for the country. Though I mean it in the lay waste kind of way.

Trump is destruction. His very nature. His character. His very being.

Trump has no guiding principles. He has no strong beliefs.

Other than Trump. Other than himself. He is his own and only reason for everything he does. What he can get out of it. How it benefits him.

Trump, his conservative support from high profile names, as well as his sycophantic followers are parts of a symbiotic whole. Through mutualism, each part benefits in some way, though the followers are more like the effluvium by-product of the other two.

Trump courts them but he would never allow them inside his home.

The conservative power brokers/rightwing religious money movers/thought shapers need their votes but they don't want them coming into their homes either.

Both Trump and the conservative power base feed the clamoring crowd their much craved sugar water of absolution. Absolving both the conservative collective and the individual of responsibility for economic and social deprivations by placing the blame on the other.

With appeals to prejudice and fear that keep people ignorant, that keeps them cheering their own oppression,
Trump and the Republican power structure perform a neverending sleight of hand - constant deceptions.

Convincing them that three and four jobs is patriotic and that America has the best health care in the world, even if they don't have access to it. The important thing is getting to chant "We're number 1" until that good feeling takes hold.

Deception after deception, chewing their supporters up until nothing is left of them but pavlovian responses.

This is what we are up against. Fellow citizens who have been conditioned to accept any brutality, any atrocity, to believe any absurdity as long as they get to feel good about themselves.








liberalla

(9,243 posts)
13. There should be an asterisk behind his name forever more.
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 08:24 AM
Jun 2020

An asterisk with the notation that he was illegitimate from the start, as you state.

usaf-vet

(6,181 posts)
14. I'd settled for a federal prison number for him including a set of sequential numbers for his kids.
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 08:43 AM
Jun 2020

To make them really significant I would suggest a number sequence all starting with 666-1111 and ending with 666-9999.

Once they all have their assigned numbers the sequence would be retired as no other individuals could possibly compete with the Trump grifters.

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
12. Unprecedented dismantling of democracy, governmental institutions and stacking the courts with
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 08:20 AM
Jun 2020

right wing judges. It's been very successful for those that wanted smaller government, less democracy, weakening of civil rights and subverting the rule of law for political purposes and avoiding any accountability.

Grins

(7,217 posts)
19. I read it all..
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 03:52 PM
Jun 2020

While Lowry is toad-spittle on most everything that is conservative and Republican, he seemed he could be a bit rational. I thought.

I was wrong. After reading this - I was wrong. This is mental gymnastics that would make Romanian gymnasts cry.

Last comment: Lowry is the editor of the Reich-wing white power pamphlet, The National Review. So why is he featured in the Political Wire? Why give him another platform to spread his propaganda?

Maven

(10,533 posts)
21. Hillary's presidency is the one that was wasted.
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:09 PM
Jun 2020

Or should I say, stolen from us.

That thing currently squatting in the White House isn't a president at all.

ooky

(8,922 posts)
24. Me either.
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:50 PM
Jun 2020

This has certainly been an eye opening "presidency" if nothing else. I knew it wasn't going to be great the night he was "elected" but I never would have imagined something this bad in my wildest dreams. Anything this bad one would expect to be marched out of the White House long ago.

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