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Yeehah

(4,449 posts)
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 05:51 PM Jun 2020

Looks like they're grooming Mittens to be the puke candidate in 2024

And you can bet your bottom dollar the fascist republicans will rally around their kook leader. Much more dangerous than Trump because he will appeal to many conservative Democrats and middle-of-the-roaders. Romney would get more substantial conservative agenda items completed because he wouldn't waste political capital on idiotic ideas like a border wall. The republicans are yearning for another Reagan and they will get him in Mitt Romney, if liberals don't stay united.

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Looks like they're grooming Mittens to be the puke candidate in 2024 (Original Post) Yeehah Jun 2020 OP
Obamacare was modeled after Romney's Massachusett plan... hlthe2b Jun 2020 #1
Yeah, he's not too bad. Therein lies the problem for Dems. Chemisse Jun 2020 #6
He is anathema to MAGats leftieNanner Jun 2020 #10
Sure, Romney wouldn't be so bad Yeehah Jun 2020 #14
Don't intentionally misrepresent what I said. That is not acceptable here or anywhere else. hlthe2b Jun 2020 #15
You posted: "I think some perspective might be in order" Yeehah Jun 2020 #33
You stated (that Romney would be) "Much more dangerous than Trump" That is where you need hlthe2b Jun 2020 #38
I made no such suggestion Yeehah Jun 2020 #40
And don't forget that he's a proponent Bettie Jun 2020 #43
Magats rusty fender Jun 2020 #2
They hate him until they love him. Blue_true Jun 2020 #47
Bingo! Eid Ma Clack Shaw Jun 2020 #49
Excellent points. Blue_true Jun 2020 #51
Hopefully he will run against a popular incumbent VP. Chemisse Jun 2020 #3
Wouldn't be shocked if GOPers put someone else in at last minute in 2020. Hoyt Jun 2020 #4
Yep. He would be the back up to Trump Dream Girl Jun 2020 #13
They will have to. Mme. Defarge Jun 2020 #20
I'm not too worried right now. Aristus Jun 2020 #5
Tom Cotton will lead the pack in 2024. Patterson Jun 2020 #7
My guess also. Blue_true Jun 2020 #48
No, Romney is not "more dangerous than Trump." Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2020 #8
Trump has self-destructed after 4 years Yeehah Jun 2020 #39
Or 2020 SheltieLover Jun 2020 #9
I don't know if he would want to be the nominee this year leftieNanner Jun 2020 #12
True SheltieLover Jun 2020 #27
And I bet Ann still has her Prom Dress from 2012! leftieNanner Jun 2020 #29
🤣🤣🤣 SheltieLover Jun 2020 #31
Oh Yes! He's Magic Underwear Kinda Mormon leftieNanner Jun 2020 #32
Probably so SheltieLover Jun 2020 #34
Fuck the republicans I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2020 #11
I think so, but... Happy Hoosier Jun 2020 #16
He would be a godsend compared to Trump budkin Jun 2020 #17
Trump has self-destructed after 4 years and nearly taken the republican party with him Yeehah Jun 2020 #35
Mittens is grooming himself. And he did institute Romneycare, which is a good thing. However... Hekate Jun 2020 #18
Gonna be a whole lot of pissed off deplorables at Mitt jcgoldie Jun 2020 #19
Deplorables will rally around any fuhrer Fox "News" tells them to rally around Yeehah Jun 2020 #37
Dont forget they will still be looking at Donald Trump's tweets... jcgoldie Jun 2020 #45
Fox news will never endorse Romney because they'd lose their audience. Kaleva Jun 2020 #50
Fox "News" is owned by people so rich they don't give a shit if it makes money or not Yeehah Jun 2020 #53
Where do you get your info from? Kaleva Jun 2020 #56
OK, let's see if they dump Tucker Carlson...... Yeehah Jun 2020 #59
He'll be 77 in 2024, so... maxsolomon Jun 2020 #21
tsk tsk jcgoldie Jun 2020 #23
Romney is going nowhere. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2020 #22
No, "they" aren't... brooklynite Jun 2020 #24
He'll do anything, anything, to be POTUS rictofen Jun 2020 #25
I doubt Mittens will even get close to the General Election in 2024. Brother Mythos Jun 2020 #26
Nah. Mitt ran for Senate in Utah to pass the seat on to one of his kids Freethinker65 Jun 2020 #28
At least they aren't trying to groom one of Trump's mutant spawn. smirkymonkey Jun 2020 #30
Two sides are prepping for an intra party civil war grantcart Jun 2020 #36
Disagree. Xolodno Jun 2020 #41
No way in hell would he make it past the primaries. Initech Jun 2020 #42
I wouldn't take 1 million to 1 odds on Romney being the nominee Awsi Dooger Jun 2020 #52
Mittsie might already be off and running, but a Republican base stupid enough Vogon_Glory Jun 2020 #44
The Republican party is too far gone to nominate Romney again. nsd Jun 2020 #46
A big chunk of the party: the "Bernie supporters" will never accept someone as right wing as Romney TristanIsolde Jun 2020 #54
I can't wait to break up the country and sell off the pieces TheFarseer Jun 2020 #55
I dunno RhodeIslandOne Jun 2020 #57
Bernie can defeat Mittens la-trucker Jun 2020 #58
Romney would not be able to win the Nomination and he only won in 2012 because Gingrich and Santorum JI7 Jun 2020 #60
Ivanka, 2024 is the correct answer to the ? JCMach1 Jun 2020 #61

hlthe2b

(101,342 posts)
1. Obamacare was modeled after Romney's Massachusett plan...
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 05:53 PM
Jun 2020

I am in no way promoting, nor would I support Romney, but I think some perspective might be in order

Chemisse

(30,780 posts)
6. Yeah, he's not too bad. Therein lies the problem for Dems.
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 05:57 PM
Jun 2020

But unless the GOP base changes a lot, he won't make it through the primaries.

leftieNanner

(14,955 posts)
10. He is anathema to MAGats
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 06:00 PM
Jun 2020

After his vote in the Senate trial.

Plus he will have to get past Pompeo and Cotton.

Yeehah

(4,449 posts)
14. Sure, Romney wouldn't be so bad
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 06:05 PM
Jun 2020

Eight more years of tax cuts for the rich.

Eight more years of conservative judges.

Eight more years of environmental destruction.

Eight more years of religious takeover of the government.

I agree. Some perspective is in order.

hlthe2b

(101,342 posts)
15. Don't intentionally misrepresent what I said. That is not acceptable here or anywhere else.
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 06:08 PM
Jun 2020

As you clearly know and sought to ignore, I stated clearly that "I am in no way promoting, nor would I support Romney."

Your hyperbole aside, Romney is not, as you say more dangerous than Trump. Not by a long stretch.

Yeehah

(4,449 posts)
33. You posted: "I think some perspective might be in order"
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 07:18 PM
Jun 2020

I believe a reasonable interpretation of that statement is that Romney is not as bad as I was making him out to be.

I did not claim you were supporting or promoting Romney, so I suggest it is you who has misrepresented what I posted.

Have a great day!

hlthe2b

(101,342 posts)
38. You stated (that Romney would be) "Much more dangerous than Trump" That is where you need
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 07:26 PM
Jun 2020

some perspective. That is beyond ridiculous in any context.

AND you misrepresented what I said in the blatant attempt to suggest I supported Romney. That is beyond unacceptable.

Yeehah

(4,449 posts)
40. I made no such suggestion
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 07:33 PM
Jun 2020

I believe Romney would be more dangerous than Trump because Romney is intelligent, well-spoken, and completely dedicated to the conservative cause. Circus clown Trump has self-destructed after 4 years and nearly taken the whole republican party with him. I hope that helps to clarify my statement that Romney is more dangerous than Trump. I remember the Reagan years.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
47. They hate him until they love him.
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 10:52 PM
Jun 2020

Unlike our insurgents, they can read the tea leaves. If they see that they can win by voting for someone they detest, they will vote for that person and bide their time. They know that he won't wreck their philosophy, just not give them all they want, while keeping their future wants in play. Our side can learn from that.

Eid Ma Clack Shaw

(490 posts)
49. Bingo!
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 03:47 AM
Jun 2020

There’s a reason the GOP are so successful, and it’s because they know how to win! One, they know the power of unity, and that it gives them a sizeable in-built advantage against a relatively flaky opposition base. Two, they know the power of swaying independent voters with simple, sharp slogans that prey on fear / jealousy of poor people ‘getting something for nothing’ and, you know what? It’s effective.

My belief is that the GOP is fundamentally about ramming its drastically unfair economic program through. Always has been, but they’ve been given opportunities they never should have so they want more. More extreme, less fair for people outside the gilded class.

The social, “moral” stuff - as we see with the embrace of a depraved huckster in Trump - is a rallying cry to dumb people who know no better. The right have been able to shape the system and tilt the board because they know the importance of winning first and nitpicking later, but there's a certain irony in the fact that the USA would have edged closer to the sort of progressive policy many on the left hold dear if they didn’t throw a huff and vote for Nader or Stein in their hundreds of thousands.

Look, I’m decidedly left wing - I’m also a pragmatist who knows that it’s much easier to blow things up than it is to put them back together again. I know not every election is winnable, but if people on our side weren’t so damn quick to register protest votes or just stay at home, we’d have won more (in each branch of government) and forced the GOP to end the culture war shit and try to win on actual ideas.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
51. Excellent points.
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 06:10 PM
Jun 2020

I often longingly think of where we would be if the far left had JUST DONE ONE of the following:

Vote for Humphrey in 68

Vote for Carter in 80

Vote for Gore in 2000

Vote for Kerry in 2004

Vote for Hillary in 2016

Instead, at each of those critical times, it chose instead to manufacture enemies out of people that share 95% of their values.

I am a Social Democrat by values and temperament. But I have often held my nose and voted for a democrat that wasn't where I am at politically. The simple reason for that vote is that democrat was not going to set the effort to get a social democratic society back one to two decades like the republican would. So my vote was a practical one, by voting for the democrat, I chose to not get set back in my efforts and have to start from scratch.

Chemisse

(30,780 posts)
3. Hopefully he will run against a popular incumbent VP.
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 05:55 PM
Jun 2020

But yeah, we certainly can't hang Trump around his neck.

Aristus

(65,832 posts)
5. I'm not too worried right now.
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 05:56 PM
Jun 2020

It seems to me that Romney is in the doghouse with the GOP for the sin of being an occasionally decent human being. He may enjoy the approbation he is currently receiving from the above-average half of America. He may not want to give that up, and subject himself again to the electron microscope of scrutiny a Presidential campaign brings.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
48. My guess also.
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 10:56 PM
Jun 2020

He really appeals to the MAGATS, the barely concealed racism, the xenophobia, the declaration of absolute patriotism when not really being patriotic, the convenient lying. He has the whole package to win their primary.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,012 posts)
8. No, Romney is not "more dangerous than Trump."
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 05:58 PM
Jun 2020

Not even close.

I don’t want him as President but there has literally never been a president more dangerous than Donald Trump.

Yeehah

(4,449 posts)
39. Trump has self-destructed after 4 years
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 07:27 PM
Jun 2020

Much of the short-term damage Trump has done can be reversed pretty quickly, with the exception of the corruption of the Supreme Court (Gorsuch & Kavanaugh).

I fear that a republican who can speak in complete sentences would do much more damage.

There can be no more division of the left.

leftieNanner

(14,955 posts)
12. I don't know if he would want to be the nominee this year
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 06:02 PM
Jun 2020

The GOP is in such a mess right now, he doesn't want to be tied to that.

But I have also considered whether this might be their plan.

leftieNanner

(14,955 posts)
29. And I bet Ann still has her Prom Dress from 2012!
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 06:44 PM
Jun 2020


When I mentioned this here recently, malaise reminded me that the dress was red!

leftieNanner

(14,955 posts)
32. Oh Yes! He's Magic Underwear Kinda Mormon
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 07:13 PM
Jun 2020

The Evangelicals don't like Mormons. But if they could support a man who breaks the Ten Commandments every single day, they would find a way to rally around Mittens.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
34. Probably so
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 07:18 PM
Jun 2020

Idiots.

I worked in very rural appalacia during 2012 campaign. Saw many trailer homes rotted out, rusty old bicycles in yards, with literally 50' romney banners. 😳🤯

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,344 posts)
11. Fuck the republicans
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 06:02 PM
Jun 2020

Run them out show and explain exactly what they are and what they believe, expose it all explain Neo - liberalism and how wrong it is, give them no wiggle room to lie they'll never get elected again. Go for the jugular.

Yeehah

(4,449 posts)
35. Trump has self-destructed after 4 years and nearly taken the republican party with him
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 07:20 PM
Jun 2020

Romney would do the exact opposite and move the conservative agenda much, much farther.

Hekate

(89,765 posts)
18. Mittens is grooming himself. And he did institute Romneycare, which is a good thing. However...
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 06:11 PM
Jun 2020

...he is aging out.

jcgoldie

(11,539 posts)
19. Gonna be a whole lot of pissed off deplorables at Mitt
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 06:11 PM
Jun 2020

No way any repub candidate gets the nomination without them.

Yeehah

(4,449 posts)
37. Deplorables will rally around any fuhrer Fox "News" tells them to rally around
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 07:23 PM
Jun 2020

They are deplorables because they lack intellect and critical thinking. They will be led by the nose like sheep - again.

Kaleva

(36,059 posts)
50. Fox news will never endorse Romney because they'd lose their audience.
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 05:07 AM
Jun 2020

Fox News is a for-profit organisation that puts out news a segment of the population wants to hear. Stray from that, Fox will lose viewers and thus will lose money.

Yeehah

(4,449 posts)
53. Fox "News" is owned by people so rich they don't give a shit if it makes money or not
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 08:33 PM
Jun 2020

The primary purpose of Fox "News" is to indoctrinate gullible people in the USA to support the republican party, which is in the interests of the plutocrats running the country right now. The deplorables don't give a shit that Trump is a sinner; they won't give a shit that Romney is a Mormon. Fox "News" can be counted on to produce lots of Mormon-friendly pieces and how they all worship the same Jesus. The gullible working class people who worshiped St. Ronnie will worship St. Romney. After Trump loses this November, he will become an irrelevant sideshow.

Kaleva

(36,059 posts)
56. Where do you get your info from?
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:43 PM
Jun 2020

"Fox "News" is owned by people so rich they don't give a shit if it makes money or not

The primary purpose of Fox "News" is to indoctrinate gullible people in the USA to support the republican party, which is in the interests of the plutocrats running the country right now. "

The Murdochs only own 39% of Fox. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, it's highly unlikely the other shareholders who own 61% of the stock are so rich that they don't care if Fox News makes money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Corporation

Yeehah

(4,449 posts)
59. OK, let's see if they dump Tucker Carlson......
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 07:02 AM
Jun 2020

for losing so much money.

I assume you know with Murdoch's 39% he has complete control of the corporation. He is the Chairman of the Board, and his son is executive chairman.

brooklynite

(93,356 posts)
24. No, "they" aren't...
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 06:19 PM
Jun 2020

There isn’t a “they” controlling matter. Romney may well anticipate a 2024 run, but he’s not the preferred Republican choice.

Brother Mythos

(1,442 posts)
26. I doubt Mittens will even get close to the General Election in 2024.
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 06:36 PM
Jun 2020

The Republican redneck base is still going to be redneck, and Turd will not just magically disappear from the political scene after losing reelection. Being a Mormon from Utah, Mittens is in a unique position that allows him to distance himself a bit from Turd. The rest of the professional Republican politicians do not dare do that, because they know they will be 'primaried out of office' if they're even suspected of thinking about it.

Other than those few states with high Mormon populations, I don't believe Mittens will get far in the primaries.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
30. At least they aren't trying to groom one of Trump's mutant spawn.
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 06:54 PM
Jun 2020

I can't think of anything worse than having another Trump in the White House again.

Xolodno

(6,264 posts)
41. Disagree.
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 07:53 PM
Jun 2020

He was the GOP guy who wasn't bat shit crazy and they believed with all their antics in Congress, they could win....and still lost. Even Karl Rove refused to believe he lost for awhile.

Romney is their Senatorial savior to get the moderates back into the fold in time. The base is shrinking due to one simple reason...death. Eventually they will reach a critical moment to move with the country...or...die as a party. Thinking its more likely former.

Initech

(99,810 posts)
42. No way in hell would he make it past the primaries.
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 07:58 PM
Jun 2020

Unless there was a split between the GOP and the Trump / Fox cult. The GOP now is the party of the Trump cult, and they despise Mitt for breaking with the party line in the impeachment trial. If you stab them in the back, there ain't no coming back from that.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
52. I wouldn't take 1 million to 1 odds on Romney being the nominee
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 06:19 PM
Jun 2020

This is one of the most bizarre threads I have ever seen here

Vogon_Glory

(9,043 posts)
44. Mittsie might already be off and running, but a Republican base stupid enough
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 08:15 PM
Jun 2020

to nominate Trump may yet be stupid enough to pick someone as sorry as Rick Scott or “Scotty” Walker. Mittsie might find himself getting side-lined well before the 2024 nomination.

nsd

(2,406 posts)
46. The Republican party is too far gone to nominate Romney again.
Wed Jun 10, 2020, 09:42 PM
Jun 2020

By now, Romney is a RINO.

Look for Tom Cotton to be their 2024 nominee.

TristanIsolde

(272 posts)
54. A big chunk of the party: the "Bernie supporters" will never accept someone as right wing as Romney
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 08:43 PM
Jun 2020

I think that is a safe bet.

Maybe if he switches to the Democratic Party that is remotely possible, but I think only remotely.

TheFarseer

(9,307 posts)
55. I can't wait to break up the country and sell off the pieces
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 08:51 PM
Jun 2020

So we can afford tax cuts for the rich. Let's start with all the roads and utilities and move on to national monuments.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
57. I dunno
Thu Jun 11, 2020, 11:50 PM
Jun 2020

He didn't excite anyone the last time. I also think the Republican party is going to lose a lot of full blown nutjobs who would vote for the GOP regardless once it tries to ignore the Trump legacy.

JI7

(89,130 posts)
60. Romney would not be able to win the Nomination and he only won in 2012 because Gingrich and Santorum
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 07:04 AM
Jun 2020

split the racist votes .

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