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Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:52 AM

DUers, we need to ask who these combat troops with NO INSIGNIA are. Senators, Congresscritters

Please take some time out tonight and tomorrow to write and/or call your Senators and Congressional Representatives. I'm going to include some of our heroes of the impeachment for good measure -- Adam Schiff, Eric Swallwell, Ted Lieu and others. Maybe Mme Speaker of the House as well. Don't forget: if yours are GOP, they need to hear from concerned freedom-loving citizens just as much.

These men are all dressed up in combat gear in our nation's Capitol and there's no indication of who they "belong" to and who they answer to. They were included in yesterday's Lafayette Park debacle and here's more "guarding" the Lincoln Memorial. I've expanded the photo on my iPad and could only see a couple of blurry patches. Who the heck are they if not US military?

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Reply DUers, we need to ask who these combat troops with NO INSIGNIA are. Senators, Congresscritters (Original post)
Hekate Jun 3 OP
MontanaMama Jun 3 #1
Hekate Jun 3 #3
MontanaMama Jun 3 #4
DENVERPOPS Jun 3 #41
Cha Jun 3 #2
Hekate Jun 3 #6
Cha Jun 3 #12
roamer65 Jun 3 #5
Hekate Jun 3 #8
roamer65 Jun 3 #11
sarisataka Jun 3 #7
Hekate Jun 3 #13
sarisataka Jun 3 #16
Hekate Jun 3 #17
sarisataka Jun 3 #30
Hekate Jun 3 #35
sarisataka Jun 3 #37
KY_EnviroGuy Jun 3 #42
Indykatie Jun 3 #9
Hekate Jun 3 #14
Beartracks Jun 3 #10
Hekate Jun 3 #15
Jamastiene Jun 3 #18
StTimofEdenRoc Jun 3 #19
Hekate Jun 3 #20
Newest Reality Jun 3 #21
Brother Buzz Jun 3 #22
Jamastiene Jun 3 #23
Hekate Jun 3 #24
Thekaspervote Jun 3 #25
Captain_New_York Jun 3 #26
Hekate Jun 3 #27
Celerity Jun 3 #32
sarisataka Jun 3 #33
SheltieLover Jun 3 #28
AntiFascist Jun 3 #29
marybourg Jun 3 #31
geralmar Jun 3 #34
C_U_L8R Jun 3 #36
greyl Jun 3 #38
jorgevlorgan Jun 3 #40
Captain Zero Jun 3 #39
Kaleva Jun 3 #43
Hekate Jun 3 #45
Hekate Jun 3 #44
Hekate Jun 4 #46

Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:55 AM

1. Who are they and

who is paying for them? Someone wrote a check.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:55 AM

3. So many questions I want answered

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Response to Hekate (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:57 AM

4. DUer 2naSalit pointed out that

their uniforms bear no insignia or military branch affiliation. This isnít good.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:30 AM

41. They don't want anyone to recognize

them.....especially their friends and neighbors!!!!!!!!

WASF.

If they are U.S. Military, the top officers in the Military should be fighting Trump for using U.S. Military personnel.......
Soldiers are only required to follow any LEGAL order, and, and an order to attack your own citizens is atrocious......if not treasonous.....

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:55 AM

2. Yes! TY, Hekate!

Retweeted & KR!

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Response to Cha (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:57 AM

6. Thank you, my friend!

Let's kick it tomorrow, too!

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Response to Hekate (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:00 AM

12. Keep it KICKED! I read some disturbing tweets

in that thread, too.

I asked one.. ".. Just how ******* BRAINWASHED Are you?!!!"

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:57 AM

5. Probably Erik Prince's goons.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:58 AM

8. We need to know for sure, and members of Congress can find out

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Response to Hekate (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:00 AM

11. Makes me also wonder if states like DE and NJ refused to send NG units.

I thought I heard yesterday or day before that they were supposed to send some. Are Princeís goons there because of that?

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:58 AM

7. I am puzzled

I do not see any sort of weapon or riot control gear. Just the body armor.

If someone storms the monument are they going to 'rassle?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:02 AM

13. Last night there were many types of troops/LEO at the park, all identifiable except these uniforms

Ultimately at least 3 types of weapons were used against the peaceful protestors across from the White House: rubber bullets, tear gas, and flash-bang grenades.

Just because these guys aren't toting AK whatevers doesn't mean they aren't armed.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:08 AM

16. I am familiar with the weapons

that fire the rubber, pepper capsules, various grenades and thrown/personal use devices as well. I cannot see any of those on them

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:10 AM

17. If they are not United States personnel, they have no business in our country. Don't get sidetracked

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Response to Hekate (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:44 AM

30. I was able to run a 500% zoom and there are at least three different units in this picture

There are people wearing Air Force insignia- the far right one in the military police vest and the one in the front row with the bright green at the waste have enlisted rank insignia. About 1/3 of the people have the same camo pattern but are positioned wrong or the distortion is too great to clearly see their insignia

The closest man in the photo has no shoulder insignia but appears the have a rank insignia of an Air Force First Sergeant at the top of his armor, by his neck. He has a different camo pattern matched by several others. One group may be active duty and the other Air NG.

The second front the right in the front has a shield shaped patch on the soldier. It can be seen on several others in the photo. They are army or NG. It is difficult to make out but might be one of the Security Force Assistance Brigades (active army) Edit> I found some AF insignia that are close. That makes more sense if they are all AF personnel.

While I cannot account for everyone, all who have some identifiable insignia are US.

I also noticed on the left edge of the photo what appears to be legs and plexiglas which resemble a portable podium. Was this picture taken today? If it was someone giving an interview or speech at the memorial that would explain the variety of units and lack of actual weapons. It would be troops waiting for a dog and pony show to start.

That would also account for the two in the rear smoking and joking looking at a cell phone.

>Edit- I stand corrected. It was from today. If you click on the photo from the front you can see they are a cobbled together group, not exactly Spetsnaz

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 02:22 AM

35. Thank you very much, sarisataka. Your ability to zoom in is far beyond mine, & one mystery is solved

Aside from the ambient paranoia generated by Trump and his enablers, I have to say lately he's been ratcheting it up practically hourly. His rant to the 50 governors of the USA was a choice example -- "Dominate! Heavily armed troops! Joint Chiefs of staff Gen. Milley is in charge! He's a warrior, never lost a battle, I can tell you that!" -- followed by his entire made-for-tv Rose Garden/Lafayette Park/St. John's Church episode, has me far more suspicious than I usually am.

He has always told us who he is, and he tells us what he wants to do. Then he goes and tries it. He wants to be a strongman, like those he admires so much, and he wants American carnage. He's a psychopathic sadist. He has a lot of enablers with their own agendas who benefit from him. We are in a moment of real chaos -- I so want the Pentagon to tell him NO. But so far it's been nearly 4 years and no one from anywhere has rescued us.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 02:36 AM

37. No problem. I must credit the posts below

That gave cleaner images than my ability could do.

These are stressful times as he seems to want to push us to our greatest crisis in 140 years.

Even so I always try to look first for the simplest answer, though I too fall short at times.

I pray my brothers and sisters who still serve take their oath to the Constitution as seriously as they did when I served with them. There is a point when the oath will demand you say "No sir, I will not"

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #37)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:41 AM

42. One possibility here....

Please see my post on another thread regarding a CPB deployment....

Link: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13533279

Looks like they redressed them all with the same riot gear.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:59 AM

9. My Bet Would Be They are Paid Mercenaries with an Outfit Like Blackwater n/t

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Response to Indykatie (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:04 AM

14. We need to know & we need to show that we care enough to contact Congress

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:00 AM

10. Even Republicans should not accept a foreign power deploying in our capital.

American soldiers shouldn't even be deployed against American citizens. But if these guys are not even American soldiers, they may as well be a foreign power, for where do their loyalties lie?

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:06 AM

15. Exactly my point. I agree they *could* be Blackwater mercenaries, but I want it out in the open...

...and not just speculate.


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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:14 AM

18. Blackwater is trending on Twitter.

Of course, we don't know for certain this is remnants of Blackwater. That is only speculation. I say remnants of Blackwater, because the name has changed a couple of times since back then. Someone did mention Glock mags and said it did look like them to them, but still, just speculation.

But, it would not hurt to remember Blackwater later became Xe, then later Academi. So, if you see Xe or Academi mentioned, it still just a newer version of Blackwater.

That is who I think it is, but that is only speculation right now. I want to know for sure too. So, I will ask.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:14 AM

19. Russians?

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Response to StTimofEdenRoc (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:18 AM

20. Need to ask your Senator and Congresscritter, not speculate. Needs to be out in the sunlight.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:19 AM

21. Kick!

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:21 AM

22. Some are wearing Velcro unit patches on their arms....

They appear to be an MP unit, but I can't ID them. All I know, is it's not Jack Reacher's old unit, the venerable 110th MP unit.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:25 AM

24. New York Times is a respectable source, but who were those guys yesterday?

And why no insignia?

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:25 AM

25. Good point!! I'll be calling

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:27 AM

26. Air Force

The closest guy has E9 rank on his chest the next one has Air Force Unit patch. Being army I donít know the details. Another point, based on the motley collection of cammo and things like missing gear ( like no Kevlar cover) I will say most definite reserve or air guard

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Response to Captain_New_York (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:31 AM

27. Thank you. I still want to ask. There's way too much hinky stuff coming from Trump's administration.

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Response to Captain_New_York (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:54 AM

32. Air National Guard





OCP Patch



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Response to Captain_New_York (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 02:06 AM

33. I agree, they are a rather motley collection of airmen

but hair catches fire easily. This is the third if fourth thread on this. It doesn't help that only one picture was retweeted, but I suspect that was intentional.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:34 AM

28. K&R!

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:42 AM

29. The Schutzstaffel? n/t

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:45 AM

31. I see some kind of insignia right under their chins.

The first oneís looks like a sergeantís patch. The second one has a shoulder patch as well. They are not completely unidentifiable.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 02:25 AM

36. They look a little paunchy to be real military.

More likely Erik Prince's idiot cosplay kkkomando$$$. Anything for a profit.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 02:38 AM

38. Standards aren't that prohibitive. nt

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:22 AM

40. air force barely qualifies as military anyways

:p

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 02:54 AM

39. There's been recent problems with right wing extremists in the air force correct?

here ya go. they brought some of their boys.

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:18 AM

43. You should edit your title as one can see the insignia they are wearing

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #43)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 07:39 PM

45. See link in my post just below, thanks

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 07:36 PM

44. Someone else is thinking along these lines/link below

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Response to Hekate (Original post)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 12:45 AM

46. Kick

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