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So if you are anti-fascist (Original Post) Mr.Bill May 2020 OP
If you call yourself an "antifa"? kentuck May 2020 #1
Guess that makes trump pro-fascist? pwb May 2020 #3
Dump is Mussolini level fascist. roamer65 May 2020 #7
this Shiv Jun 2020 #15
if you are against anti fascists, I would say you are pro fascists demigoddess Jun 2020 #30
"Antifa" is simply a portmanteau of "anti-Fascist." Reader Rabbit May 2020 #4
That would depend... kentuck May 2020 #12
it depends on Locrian Jun 2020 #25
So, looking back at Charlottesville : Mike Niendorff May 2020 #2
No doubt he is trying to give aid and comfort to the WRONG elements of the police forces... AntiFascist May 2020 #6
Exactly. Mike Niendorff May 2020 #10
He was saying it then too. Jamastiene May 2020 #11
During the McCarthy era, the term was "premature anti-fascist" DBoon May 2020 #5
geez (nt) Shiv Jun 2020 #16
I am anti-fascist. roamer65 May 2020 #8
Anti authoritarian I_UndergroundPanther May 2020 #9
If ANTIFA stands for BillyBobBrilliant Jun 2020 #13
I am anti-fascist - Fuck Trump Stainless Jun 2020 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author jmg257 Jun 2020 #18
My dad was based in Italy also. Mr.Bill Jun 2020 #27
Would your father be a member of Antifa? My pop was USMC - dont think he would be. jmg257 Jun 2020 #17
My dad would be against the Fascist in the white house. Mr.Bill Jun 2020 #28
Well there ya go! jmg257 Jun 2020 #29
Liberals are intrinsically anti-fascist. There is literally no such thing Hortensis Jun 2020 #19
Liberal is derived from the word LIBERTY. roamer65 Jun 2020 #35
:) Yes. Related but also older and far more profound. Hortensis Jun 2020 #36
Good read, thx! roamer65 Jun 2020 #37
K&R! (nt) Shiv Jun 2020 #20
I admit to being very on the fence regarding Antifa. Collimator Jun 2020 #21
New category: Postmature anti-Fascist. malthaussen Jun 2020 #22
American Nazi Terrorist Insurance Fraud Agressors n/t Mopar151 Jun 2020 #23
Let's see what the manual says... jmg257 Jun 2020 #24
My father was anti-fascist Generic Other Jun 2020 #26
same here nt yellowdogintexas Jun 2020 #32
mine slugged through deep snow in the worst winter in 40 years yellowdogintexas Jun 2020 #31
Century Division Generic Other Jun 2020 #33
My Sister, the Fox News watcher dem in texas Jun 2020 #34

kentuck

(111,526 posts)
1. If you call yourself an "antifa"?
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:41 PM
May 2020

Does that automatically make you an "anti-fascist"?

What rights are granted under such a title?

demigoddess

(6,652 posts)
30. if you are against anti fascists, I would say you are pro fascists
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 05:28 PM
Jun 2020

It is just basic english language.

Reader Rabbit

(2,629 posts)
4. "Antifa" is simply a portmanteau of "anti-Fascist."
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:43 PM
May 2020


One would think, in a civilized society, antifa would be the default state.


I am a boring, middle-aged, chubby white lady, and I consider myself "antifa."

kentuck

(111,526 posts)
12. That would depend...
Sun May 31, 2020, 05:05 PM
May 2020

...on whether or not they participate in violent or non-violent protests, in my opinion.

Locrian

(4,523 posts)
25. it depends on
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 12:42 PM
Jun 2020

if it's the US military, then it's "state sponsored" antifa "freedom fighters" etc
if it's citizens - then it's terrorists.

Mike Niendorff

(3,485 posts)
2. So, looking back at Charlottesville :
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:42 PM
May 2020

He's now explicitly saying not only that the nazis were "very fine people", but that the people who came there to oppose them were "terrorists".

He's now literally saying the nazis in Charlottesville were the good guys.


MDN

AntiFascist

(12,806 posts)
6. No doubt he is trying to give aid and comfort to the WRONG elements of the police forces...
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:49 PM
May 2020

not only is it ok to now target left-leaning journalists, but cracking down on any leftists in general. Straight out of the Nazi playbook.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
11. He was saying it then too.
Sun May 31, 2020, 04:01 PM
May 2020

He has been clear that he is pro-racist and pro-Nazi all along. I cannot believe anyone doesn't already know that.

DBoon

(22,585 posts)
5. During the McCarthy era, the term was "premature anti-fascist"
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:47 PM
May 2020

Someone who opposed Hitler and Mussolini before the declaration of war after Pearl Harbor.

If you were opposed to fascism on ideological grounds rather than military necessity, your politics were suspect. You were regarded as a communist sympathizer.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,675 posts)
9. Anti authoritarian
Sun May 31, 2020, 02:56 PM
May 2020

Anti abuse, anti domination,anti narcissist,sociopath, anti top down social heirarchy and anti fascist,

I hate bullies.

Stainless

(719 posts)
14. I am anti-fascist - Fuck Trump
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 09:15 AM
Jun 2020

My dad completed 35 bombing missions as a Ball Turret Gunner on a B-24 based in Italy. I learned to dislike fascism as a boy. I was also born 2 weeks after the bloated pig (June 1946).

Response to Stainless (Reply #14)

Mr.Bill

(24,456 posts)
27. My dad was based in Italy also.
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 01:38 PM
Jun 2020

He was with the 449th bomber group. Do you know what group your dad was with? They may have even known each other. My dad was a top turret gunner and flight engineer on a B-24.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
17. Would your father be a member of Antifa? My pop was USMC - dont think he would be.
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 09:21 AM
Jun 2020
One of the first groups in the United States to use the name was Rose City Antifa, which says it was founded in 2007 in Portland, Ore. It has a large following on social media, where it shares news articles and sometimes seeks to dox, or reveal the identities and personal information of, figures on the right.

The antifa movement gained more visibility in 2017 after a series of events that put a spotlight on anti-fascist protesters, including the punching of a prominent alt-right member; the cancellation of an event by a right-wing writer at the University of California, Berkeley; and their confrontation of white nationalist protesters in Charlottesville who turned violent.

What distinguishes antifa from other protest groups?
Mr. Bray said antifa groups often use tactics similar to anarchist groups, such as dressing in all black and wearing masks. The groups also have overlapping ideologies, as both often criticize capitalism and seek to dismantle structures of authority, including police forces.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/what-antifa-trump.html


Fighting against the Nazis, or imperial Japan, in WW2 is not quite the same thing as "the dismantle of police forces" or squashing 1st amendment rights.

Sorry.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. Liberals are intrinsically anti-fascist. There is literally no such thing
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 09:49 AM
Jun 2020

as liberal fascism. Fascism is an extreme manifestation of conservatism.

Btw, the Republicans had to have an agent write a book on "liberal fascism" so people would find something when searching on the term. They created it because "fascism" has very bad connotations, so they needed to deflect their own increasingly fascistic behaviors left onto evil liberal Democrats. After all, the indispensable fascistic technique of election theft becomes not just good but embraced when it's to stop the Democrats.

"Liberalism is the individual. Fascism is the state." Fascist Mussolini

“… Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our own will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law,’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual” Liberal Thomas Jefferson

Trump himself is conflating his being terrified of us with baaad terrorism. Of course.

roamer65

(36,825 posts)
35. Liberal is derived from the word LIBERTY.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 03:05 AM
Jun 2020

We are the true freedom lovers.

Fuck ALL fascists, including mango Mussolini.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
36. :) Yes. Related but also older and far more profound.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 03:25 AM
Jun 2020

The word had meaning in social use for centuries before it was applied in Adam Smith's time in the 17th century to politics and economics, and later with development of the study of the mind to one of the two main personality groups (because the common use arising from that personality type made it appropriate). Liberal ideals have always been associated with the concept of a free man, eventually advancing society and ending serfdom in Europe.

Thanks to digitization, we can now establish when the word “liberal” first took on a political meaning. For centuries it had had what scholars have called pre-political meanings, such as generous, tolerant, or suitable to one of noble or superior status—as in “liberal arts” and “liberal education.” But now using Google’s Ngram Viewer we can see what the word “liberal”—as an adjective—was used to modify. Up to 1769 the word was used only in pre-political ways, but in and around 1769 such terms as “liberal policy,” “liberal plan,” “liberal system,” “liberal views,” “liberal ideas,” and “liberal principles” begin sprouting like flowers. ...

At the core of Smith’s idea of liberal principles is the idea of natural liberty:

All systems either of preference or of restraint, therefore, being thus completely taken away, the obvious and simple system of natural liberty establishes itself of its own accord. Every man, as long as he does not violate the laws of justice, is left perfectly free to pursue his own interest his own way, and to bring both his industry and capital into competition with those of any other man, or order of men. ...

On the Continent, “liberal” was used, as compared to in Britain, more to denote constitutional reform and political participation, as opposed to natural liberty. Britain’s exceptional history of stable government and islandhood helped to make Smith’s focus on natural liberty possible. ..

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/02/liberal-is-good/283617/


Don't you love the internet?



"My idea of good company, Mr. Elliott, is the fellowship of clever, well-informed people who have a great deal of conversation and liberality of ideas. That is what I call good company." ~ Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice

Collimator

(1,659 posts)
21. I admit to being very on the fence regarding Antifa.
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 09:56 AM
Jun 2020

This may be seen as a moral weakness by some, but I keep hearing conflicting reports. Of course, I am against the concept of fascism. I am also very "for" freedom. But there are many groups out there with freedom in the name whose agendas I find questionable.

So, while I am trying to judge this group by its fruits and compile an informed decision, I also must admit that hearing Trump declare Anitfa a terrorist group is the most compelling endorsement of their social value that I have encountered thus far.

This is a man who insists that men shouting "Jews will not replace us!" were "very fine people". People carrying a flag symbolizing slavery, the overthrow of American rule of law and another flag symbolizing the subjugation of Europe to the control of one homicidal maniac are "very fine people" to him.

So, yes, Antifa is looking better all the time.

malthaussen

(17,396 posts)
22. New category: Postmature anti-Fascist.
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 10:51 AM
Jun 2020

That's for those of us who are anti-Fascist after it has become unfashionable.

-- Mal

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
24. Let's see what the manual says...
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 11:18 AM
Jun 2020
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1en7RmfNttXrBKDv7f2dqDNyh8i7ZrXvL/view

White privilege abortion refugees media capital new world order use of force world govt target the rich/middle class
Threatening livelihoods


Ur dead would be proud! Lol

yellowdogintexas

(22,445 posts)
31. mine slugged through deep snow in the worst winter in 40 years
Mon Jun 1, 2020, 11:03 PM
Jun 2020

in the Ardennes forest.

My uncle fought at Anzio

I can't even begin to think how this would make them feel

Generic Other

(28,982 posts)
33. Century Division
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:45 AM
Jun 2020

These guys did not think fascism was a joke! My Dad was a card-carrying member of the Sons of Bitche (Belgium). Antifa to the end!

dem in texas

(2,676 posts)
34. My Sister, the Fox News watcher
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 03:03 AM
Jun 2020

About a year ago, my sister, who spouts everything she hears on Fox news, started in about how bad "Antifa" was. I asked her if she knew what "Antifa" stood for? She said not and I told her it stood for anti-fascists. I went on to tell her that the United States fought a war against Fascists that resulted in the deaths of over half a million American soldiers. She got a huffy and told me, "you think you know so much, I don't want to talk about it anymore'.

So typical of a Fox viewer. I let it all slide, after all she is my sister. But .. I have a brother and another sister who are also Fox viewers and believe all that right wing crap. Yipes!

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