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The birth of Girtherism (Original Post) donkeypoofed May 2020 OP
instead of jelly beans in a jar lapfog_1 May 2020 #1
He is 10 pounds of shit in a five pound sack Captain Zero May 2020 #3
We used to call that "Filled to blivit," back in the day. Brother Mythos May 2020 #42
339 lbs would be my guess. Meadowoak May 2020 #2
At least! smirkymonkey May 2020 #4
No way he weights 340, c'mon ... mr_lebowski May 2020 #5
Yeah, but he's probably got hamberders and KFC and cans of Diet Coke stashed smirkymonkey May 2020 #7
My guess for Rump is 6 feet 1 inches tall, and around 20 and a half stones (287 pounds) Celerity May 2020 #8
I think you might be right Generic Other May 2020 #13
The doctor left off five stone. nt Ilsa May 2020 #34
He should be encouraged to do what Pooty did. Ride a horse shirt less and show the world what kind Alwaysna May 2020 #6
Oh God oldsoftie May 2020 #9
That's horse abuse. fleur-de-lisa May 2020 #10
Yeah - he'd be worse than that idiot sheriff who couldn't ride csziggy May 2020 #47
Just make sure it's a safeinOhio May 2020 #16
Or an Iron Horse BunnyMcGee May 2020 #17
The horse's back would break. BannonsLiver May 2020 #20
I want to see the long form, certified DOT ticket from freshly calibrated scales. Hermit-The-Prog May 2020 #11
Do you want that in KG or Lbs? Are we allowing for wind resistance? Ford_Prefect May 2020 #12
Show us your Girth Certificate SoonerPride May 2020 #14
weight shaming is dispicable scrabblequeen40 May 2020 #15
I agree. Ilsa May 2020 #35
#PresidentPlump is trending on twitter !!! OnDoutside May 2020 #18
Accusing: President Plump did it in the kitchen with a spork! Brainfodder May 2020 #44
I think he weighs just under 330 myself BannonsLiver May 2020 #19
239 kilos... Wounded Bear May 2020 #21
Lololol he doesn't have a clue how much that is. grantcart May 2020 #49
You're probably right...nt Wounded Bear May 2020 #52
A person's weight has nothing to do with their character, actions or morals. WhiskeyGrinder May 2020 #22
Given that Trump lies about his weight, PoindexterOglethorpe May 2020 #23
Right, he's a liar. WhiskeyGrinder May 2020 #24
I believe the term "morbidly obese" PoindexterOglethorpe May 2020 #37
Expressing triumphant hilarity because Nancy Pelosi used a nonmedical term to describe WhiskeyGrinder May 2020 #38
As a person who often shames MY OWN body, I don't have a problem with this. NNadir May 2020 #26
Thinking about stopping the practice of mocking people for physical traits that our friends and WhiskeyGrinder May 2020 #27
Well, personally, I regard my own obesity as a health problem. NNadir May 2020 #28
Obesity is also not an indicator of poor health. WhiskeyGrinder May 2020 #29
I'm a scientist working in the pharmaceutical field. I have worked on lipid physiology... NNadir May 2020 #32
I'm sorry to hear that you view mocking as an expression of care and the people in your life WhiskeyGrinder May 2020 #39
I'm not sorry. I have a sense of humor and the people I love know that. There are, of course... NNadir May 2020 #40
I definitely hear where you're coming from. WhiskeyGrinder May 2020 #41
Me too ! I feel everything you said! please consider trying IF donkeypoofed May 2020 #46
There was a paper on this topic, I think either in JAMA or NEJM. NNadir May 2020 #51
Who specifically is arguing that? LanternWaste May 2020 #50
As an old fat bald white guy... NNadir May 2020 #25
329 is more likely Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2020 #30
Tubby Trump peggysue2 May 2020 #31
Show us the girth certificate... bluecollar2 May 2020 #33
CNN pundits this am were actually parsing words to say he was only clinically obese not morbidly wishstar May 2020 #36
I await him and his rigged scale claiming him fully clothed at 242. Brainfodder May 2020 #43
BMI 45 central scrutinizer May 2020 #45
Over 325 look at Trump from a side view. sarcasmo May 2020 #48
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
4. At least!
Tue May 19, 2020, 02:59 AM
May 2020

People have compared him to athletes who are his height who are in great shape who say the weigh more that his claimed weight. There is NO way he is 239 pounds. Easily add 100 pounds to that, if not more.

His full diaper alone must be about 50 pounds.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
5. No way he weights 340, c'mon ...
Tue May 19, 2020, 03:46 AM
May 2020

Blubber is less dense than muscle.

I buy that he goes 280-290, but I definitely doubt he's over 300lbs.

Put it this way, here's Jared Veldheer, 6'8", around 330lbs. Standing next to a 6'2" 225lbs Aaron Rodgers.

340 lbs is a LOT of human being. Trump ain't that big. And he has no muscle to speak of.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
7. Yeah, but he's probably got hamberders and KFC and cans of Diet Coke stashed
Tue May 19, 2020, 04:10 AM
May 2020

in all his pockets so that adds a bit of tonnage. And then again, the full diapers. And the truss, and the shoe inserts. I supposed if you stripped him down he'd be around the weight he claimed. It's hard to tell.

However he's probably carrying around some major compacted waste in there. Gross, I know, but with a diet like that, god knows how backed up he is. I just don't believe anything he tells us and I certainly don't believe that he is the weight he claims he is.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
13. I think you might be right
Tue May 19, 2020, 06:02 AM
May 2020

Or close. I was multiplying his ranking as POTUS 45 x 2 = 90 + 100 IQ - 6 feet = 184

Alwaysna

(574 posts)
6. He should be encouraged to do what Pooty did. Ride a horse shirt less and show the world what kind
Tue May 19, 2020, 03:53 AM
May 2020

Of man he is.

csziggy

(34,113 posts)
47. Yeah - he'd be worse than that idiot sheriff who couldn't ride
Tue May 19, 2020, 06:02 PM
May 2020

I felt bad for that horse and that sheriff was half the size of Dolt45!

BunnyMcGee

(456 posts)
17. Or an Iron Horse
Tue May 19, 2020, 06:51 AM
May 2020

also known as a locomotive. Appropriate though, with all his noises, fumes, and under pressure!

Ford_Prefect

(7,714 posts)
12. Do you want that in KG or Lbs? Are we allowing for wind resistance?
Tue May 19, 2020, 05:01 AM
May 2020

A blustery day could add so much more, don't you think?

scrabblequeen40

(334 posts)
15. weight shaming is dispicable
Tue May 19, 2020, 06:18 AM
May 2020

unless you're talking about Orange Ass. Looks are fair game with Trumpass. He should get as good as he gives.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,614 posts)
23. Given that Trump lies about his weight,
Tue May 19, 2020, 11:33 AM
May 2020

I think in his case there is a connection.

Of course he lies about everything.

WhiskeyGrinder

(21,980 posts)
24. Right, he's a liar.
Tue May 19, 2020, 11:41 AM
May 2020

He lies about his weight because weight carries a stigma in this country. Making "morbidly obese" a punchline perpetuates that stigma and hurts people who don't have the power of the presidency behind them, without weakening the president himself.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,614 posts)
37. I believe the term "morbidly obese"
Tue May 19, 2020, 01:18 PM
May 2020

is a factual statement. Although in reality, since he lies about his height also, he's definitely obese, possibly morbidly so.

Pointing out facts about a person's height and weight is not necessarily body shaming.

WhiskeyGrinder

(21,980 posts)
38. Expressing triumphant hilarity because Nancy Pelosi used a nonmedical term to describe
Tue May 19, 2020, 01:34 PM
May 2020

Trump's body is body shaming, however. It's entirely possible to slur someone you don't like. Doing so tells people you do like that you're willing to use slurs to describe them -- as long as you like them.

NNadir

(33,327 posts)
26. As a person who often shames MY OWN body, I don't have a problem with this.
Tue May 19, 2020, 11:50 AM
May 2020

I am obese, and wish I were better able to address it; as it is I am suffering from muscular problems and cannot exercise quite yet, but the point is that this is one of Trump's most obvious lies, one that is so obvious that there may even be a dumbbell MAGA type who can get it.

I certainly know how difficult it is to control one's weight, as having dealt with it my whole adult life, but we can be overly sensitive.

WhiskeyGrinder

(21,980 posts)
27. Thinking about stopping the practice of mocking people for physical traits that our friends and
Tue May 19, 2020, 11:56 AM
May 2020

allies share is not being overly sensitive.

Mocking Trump's weight and pointing out how he lies about it will not change anyone's vote or anyone's mind, and only adds to anti-fat bigotry that, in the end, hurts you.

NNadir

(33,327 posts)
28. Well, personally, I regard my own obesity as a health problem.
Tue May 19, 2020, 12:06 PM
May 2020

I joke about it myself; but it's whistling in the dark to be sure.

Obesity is what will kill me.

I actually appreciate it when people, including my physician, needle me about it.

WhiskeyGrinder

(21,980 posts)
29. Obesity is also not an indicator of poor health.
Tue May 19, 2020, 12:12 PM
May 2020

It can correlate with indicators of poor health. But it's possible to be obese and have high blood pressure and to then lose weight and still have high blood pressure. And it's possible to do things to mitigate that HBP, such as exercise regularly and change eating habits, and lower the blood pressure, and still be obese. On its own, obesity is not necessarily a "health problem."

You might find this article interesting: https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/everything-you-know-about-obesity-is-wrong/

NNadir

(33,327 posts)
32. I'm a scientist working in the pharmaceutical field. I have worked on lipid physiology...
Tue May 19, 2020, 12:57 PM
May 2020

...for major portions of my career, and am a regular reader of major scientific journals in a cross disciplinary setting.

Included frequently are epidemiological papers. Obesity is a health risk, a very serious one, for diabetes, for heart disease, for strokes, for cancer, and - something with which I am currently struggling - muscular-skeletal syndromes.

Here is an open sourced paper from one of the most credible scientific journals, written by a consortium of health professionals from all over the world, Lancet, covering risk and mortality:

Global, regional, and national comparative risk assessment of 79 behavioural, environmental and occupational, and metabolic risks or clusters of risks, 1990–2015: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2015 (Lancet 2016; 388: 1659–724)

I invite you to open the paper, and search terms like BMI and Obesity, and then tell me I don't face risks from my weight.

It includes this text:

Between 1990 and 2015, global exposure to unsafe sanitation, household air pollution, childhood underweight,
childhood stunting, and smoking each decreased by more than 25%. Global exposure for several occupational risks,
high body-mass index (BMI), and drug use increased by more than 25% over the same period. All risks jointly evaluated in 2015 accounted for 57·8% (95% CI 56·6–58·8) of global deaths and 41·2% (39·8–42·8) of DALYs. In 2015, the ten largest contributors to global DALYs among Level 3 risks were high systolic blood pressure (211·8 million [192·7 million to 231·1 million] global DALYs), smoking (148·6 million [134·2 million to 163·1 million]), high fasting plasma glucose (143·1 million [125·1 million to 163·5 million]), high BMI (120·1 million [83·8 million to 158·4 million]), childhood undernutrition (113·3 million [103·9 million to 123·4 million]), ambient particulate matter (103·1 million [90·8 million to 115·1 million]), high total cholesterol (88·7 million [74·6 million to 105·7 million]), household air pollution (85·6 million [66·7 million to 106·1 million]), alcohol use (85·0 million [77·2 million to 93·0 million]), and diets high in sodium (83·0 million [49·3 million to 127·5 million])...

...Societal processes of urbanisation, the so-called westernisation of diets and lifestyles, and changes in employment activities, have all been viewed as primary drivers of changes in human health.21–24 Such shifts have been thought to lead to deteriorating diets, rising obesity, decreased physical activity, and, ultimately, to worsening levels of metabolic risks, with associated higher rates of cardiovascular diseases and cancers.25,26...


The bold is all mine.

You can believe what you want to believe, but this is a factual analysis, and facts matter.

One hears all kinds of things in pop information sites, and 90% of the time they include either huge inaccuracies, distortions, outright lies and/or a complete misapprehension of what is being said. My standard joke is that one cannot get a degree in journalism any more if one has passed a college level science course.

For most of my life, I was able to manage my weight by extreme exercise and rigorous attention to diet. However, I come from a long line of morbidly obese people. I'm not denying a genetic component, but am acknowledging that I can do things - which by the way I'm not doing - to ameliorate the risks of these genes. I am not doing these things now, and I fully and completely recognize my risks in not managing it.

I'm not in denial about my weight and it's effect on my health, irrespective of what journalists say. A lot of what passes for journalism these days is pernicious. I know I have a major health risk in failing to control my weight, but right now am not in condition to remedy it.

If people make fun of my weight - and they do - being an optimist, I tell myself that they care about me. That's not always true of course, but the social pressure to control my weight is one of those rare social pressures that can be good for me.


WhiskeyGrinder

(21,980 posts)
39. I'm sorry to hear that you view mocking as an expression of care and the people in your life
Tue May 19, 2020, 01:40 PM
May 2020

feel like they can talk to you that way.

NNadir

(33,327 posts)
40. I'm not sorry. I have a sense of humor and the people I love know that. There are, of course...
Tue May 19, 2020, 02:17 PM
May 2020

...people I don't love who make "fun" of my weight, but I couldn't care less, since they don't matter to me.

I live by Eleanor Roosevelt's advice, which is: "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."

It depends on one's outlook. I am aware of the consequences of my weight, and I am psychologically strong enough to turn intended negative comments into positives, the positive being a reminder that being fat, which I am, is not good for me.

If someone attempts to insult me because of my weight, and I'm not insulted at all, they, and not me, lose power.

As far as this relates to Trump and the opening post, he is a very vain person engaged in mockery. If it shows him up for his lack of psychological health, I have no problem with that.

A physical description of him, and a physical description of me would not be entirely different. But I'm not claiming to be some kind of paradigm of health and he is.

He's fragile and I'm not.

OK?

WhiskeyGrinder

(21,980 posts)
41. I definitely hear where you're coming from.
Tue May 19, 2020, 02:50 PM
May 2020
He's fragile and I'm not.


The problem is, we have lots of fat friends and allies who are fragile, and anti-fat rhetoric hurts them. In addition, anti-fat rhetoric reinforces anti-fat biases in society, which hurt all fat people, fragile or no. It's similar to when Obama was president -- the right and its allies used racist rhetoric to hurt Obama. He is not a fragile person. But the increased rhetoric certainly hurt society as a whole, and made it harder for all BIPOC.

donkeypoofed

(2,187 posts)
46. Me too ! I feel everything you said! please consider trying IF
Tue May 19, 2020, 05:46 PM
May 2020

I have lost 30 lbs (down to XL from 2XLL) since Jan. Dr Jason Fung had a ton of videos about Intermittent Fasting (IF) where it's not so much what you eat as WHEN you eat. You could try it and see. Its free. Most popular is 16:8 meaning you would eat between say 10am and 6pm, and nothing after that. If you look on reddit you will see the awe-inspiring Before & After pictures. I can't even tell you how much better I feel. Best of luck to you!

NNadir

(33,327 posts)
51. There was a paper on this topic, I think either in JAMA or NEJM.
Tue May 19, 2020, 07:19 PM
May 2020

It seemed to indicate that this was an excellent idea.

I downloaded it a few months ago.

I had worked out a nice routine around it: I never ate lunch and instead went to the library each afternoon. I was losing weight, and I felt healthier.

Then I ended up working from home and blew my discipline.

Right now, I'm on Naproxen for pain, prescription strength, which requires to be taken with food, so I can't go there right now.

I actually did this sort of thing, unintentionally, in my first big weight loss when I was a kid; my poverty made it easier, one meal a day. I dropped about 30 pounds I'd gained during depression associated with my mother's death. I also bicycled about one or two hours a day, every day, and sometimes for eight hours on a weekend. I certainly miss the physical shape I was in. In those days I could bike from Hermosa Beach up to Santa Monica, fast, run an hour with some friends, bike home again and not even feel strained.

When I was first married, my wife and I did pretty much the same thing with respect to eating, one meal a day, calories counted, with an evening run on the beach in San Diego. Again we both controlled our weight very well.

Of course, now I'm an old man, in a lot of pain these last few weeks, but getting some PT.

Thanks for the reminder. I know that what you are doing works. I should definitely take your excellent advice.

I hate looking like that asshole Donald Trump.

Thanks again.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
50. Who specifically is arguing that?
Tue May 19, 2020, 06:08 PM
May 2020

I'm missing the posts that hypothesize a specific cause-and-effect argument to that effect...

NNadir

(33,327 posts)
25. As an old fat bald white guy...
Tue May 19, 2020, 11:43 AM
May 2020

...I certainly applaud this line.

He lives by the cheap shot and should die by it as well.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(106,332 posts)
30. 329 is more likely
Tue May 19, 2020, 12:15 PM
May 2020

I weighed in at 238 this morning. Though I could stand to lose some weight I'm not as tall as Trump nor as portly.

peggysue2

(10,747 posts)
31. Tubby Trump
Tue May 19, 2020, 12:22 PM
May 2020

I'm guessing, Donnie's pushing 300 pounds in his stocking feet. He's no more 239 pounds than he is 6'2''.

Liars got to lie, always.

Girther Movement/2020.

LOL.

wishstar

(5,261 posts)
36. CNN pundits this am were actually parsing words to say he was only clinically obese not morbidly
Tue May 19, 2020, 01:15 PM
May 2020

and they listed his height at 6 ft 3 and wt at 243 with straight faces to nitpick Pelosi for calling him morbidly obese.

Couldn't believe no one on their panel cast doubt on those suspect numbers as there is no way he is 6 ft 3 and almost certainly over 250. I have close relatives who are 6 ft and at 230 look trim and healthy compared to him.

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