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Last edited Tue May 5, 2020, 02:40 PM - Edit history (1)
By Kristin Lunz Trujillo and Matt Motta
The availability of a vaccine for the novel coronavirus will likely play a key role in determining when Americans can return to life as usual. Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, on April 30 announced that a vaccine could even be available by January 2021.
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READ: The Race to a Coronavirus Vaccine ]
Whether a vaccine can end this pandemic successfully, however, depends on more than its effectiveness at providing immunity against the virus, or how quickly it can be produced in mass quantities. Americans also must choose to receive the vaccine.
According to some estimates, 50% to 70% of Americans would need to develop immunity to COVID-19 either naturally, or via a vaccine in order to thwart the spread of the virus. If these estimates are correct, that could mean that nearly twice as many Americans would need to elect to receive a COVID-19 vaccine than those who currently opt to be vaccinated against seasonal influenza. Just 37% of American adults did so in 2017-2018, even in the midst of a historically severe flu season.
[link:https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2020-05-04/many-vaccine-skeptics-plan-to-refuse-a-covid-19-vaccine-study-suggests|
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I literally cannot understand how people got so stupid. This is just another example of how far away we have gotten from science and into the realm of woo.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Lochloosa
(16,063 posts)AllyCat
(16,184 posts)I can hardly believe we will be successful in getting people wrestled down for a vaccination. I think it is time to move to a thinking country, for me anyway.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Unless you have a specific and verifiable medical condition which precludes you getting a vaccine, you are given this shot. Period.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)People would get killed trying to enforce it. Picture large groups of heavily armed "resistors" engaging in shootouts with people attempting to forcibly vaccinate them.
Plus I don't think it would stand up in the courts.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Putting aside the logistics for forcing 300 million people to take an injection against their will, I don't think there is a legal basis to do so either.
Vaccinations today are compelled via the desire to work or go to school.
Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)if someone offers a vaccine in the next 4 months, there is no way I would trust it.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)Trusting big pharma is not something I want to risk the last few years I have on.
Next year sometime, I'll come around. I get flu shots every year. I'm no anti-vaxxer. But I don't expect capitalism to overcome science.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)AllyCat
(16,184 posts)in that amount of time. Even January sounds almost fantastical. But given a safe and effective vaccine, I would be the first one in line if we can afford it. Don't know if I would trust the Trump Brand vaccine though.
Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)mathematic
(1,439 posts)Big pharma and capitalism routinely develop and deliver effect life saving medicines. This is why people complain about their prices. Because their medicines work.
Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)What I don't trust is that the CDC, the regulating agency, has been polluted with Trump sycophants that won't properly vet the vaccine process. Something like this looks like it will be a big cash cow, so I'll be self-vigilant, thank you very much.
mathematic
(1,439 posts)Blaming the government and promoting "self-vigilance".
But, hey, nevermind all the everyday scientists, doctors, and regulators out there determined to stall a global pandemic, somebody out there is making money.
Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)qwlauren35
(6,148 posts)It will NOT be the Trump vaccine.
It will be the BIDEN vaccine.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)I was a guinea pig for the Salk vaccine, back when Polio was a real horror. I'd do it again.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Some dead proteins are not going to be dangerous. The real risk is it's ineffective.
Squinch
(50,949 posts).
tavernier
(12,383 posts)Ill trust his judgment. And the one thing Trump did was to give all future presidents total power, so we will be able to legally hold them down and stab them in the butt with a needle.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... right now.
Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)We also asked respondents if they self-identified as anti-vaxxers, and nearly 16% said they did. For those that identified as anti-vaxxers, 44% said they would not vaccinate against COVID-19, compared to 19% of people who did not identify as anti-vaxxers.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)Persons w/compromised immune systems are told NOT to get vaccines as the results can be deathly.
Being this is my case, I do not get vaccines.
The last time I got one (almost accidentally) I got quite sick from it and I've been told NO VACCINES for me.
This is the case for others in the population as well.
Luckily, it is not common!
DrToast
(6,414 posts)That's supposed to be one of the benefits of those. They are safer than traditional vaccines.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)I had these diseases, that is why.
Measles, mumps, Rubella and chicken pox.
Forgot abt. what mRNA was!
I won't bother to get into the story abt. my late brother as the MMR vaccine almost killed him. After that, my mother only had us vaccinated against polio, the sugar cube. That was the end of it.
So no is the answer, not the mRNA or the MMR.
OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)AllyCat
(16,184 posts)and others, many who cant be vaccinated, with them.
OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)Marrah_Goodman
(1,586 posts)or so I hear.
MadLinguist
(790 posts)when you consider the demographic of people who subscribe to some version of that tripe. The information diet of our fellow citizens is in a chokehold produced by generations of betrayals of trust...by the media underreporting on poverty, economic and ecological injustices, by the government both tacitly and openly endorsing redlining practices, educational inequalities, blind eyeing signals of distress at the barriers to opportunity for some folks while glad handing the ready made opportunity catapults for others... the list is long and grievous. So, in the absence of trust for sources of information that you, I and most of the people on this site may take for granted as being reasonably reliable, shyte like the Gates-Fauci plan to steal DNA or souls or implant chips flourish and evolve. In 2016 those information infectants were deployed to depress voter turnout in many quarters. This time around, they are more likely being targeted to vote in ways that help them conform to the crap they are being fed now. and no way no how ever consent to be vaccinated against covid19. Just my 2 cents, but it's what I've been seeing.
Marrah_Goodman
(1,586 posts)Youtube is filled with people who are "awake" and "know the truth". I am sharing a house with someone who is retired and has all day long to watch nutters fill her head with crap. SO many conspiracy theories and she believes them all. I often times have to make and excuse to go do something when she starts telling me about them. No worries about her voting for Trump though. She hates him almost as much as I do (which is a lot).
MadLinguist
(790 posts)to vote for some kook who descries actual science, based on a shared sense of grievance. And yeah, this 5G nonsense with or without the Fauci-is-the-devil narrative is everywhere, and at least in my experience with its adherents, unshakably embedded in a very short time. I find this chilling. It's instant us & them polarization.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)And medical experts willing to go along with them? Count me as a vaccine skeptic when it comes to this one.
AllyCat
(16,184 posts)They will come forth with a real vaccine. What say you then?
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Anyone who's sold their credibility to prop up the Trump administration gets an ignore from me.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)tirebiter
(2,536 posts)Plenty of room. Nice Big beach.
Initech
(100,068 posts)This is important and it transcends any and all bullshit you read on your social media feeds. This virus is proof of why we need vaccines.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Her children don't get vaccines either. She's a very nice lady and does her job well.
I'm sorry, but I don't think she should be working in healthcare if she won't take the coronavirus vaccine when it becomes available. And she should be home schooling her 7 children...
LiberalFighter
(50,912 posts)Well we can hope for it.
dawg
(10,624 posts)Bye bye economy.
Helloooooo Idiocracy!
ecstatic
(32,701 posts)kushner are cooking up.
I mean, ffs, we just got an inkling of what's going on behind the scenes from the whistleblower. Science is NOT being prioritized in trump's corrupt admin--it's all about money and connections. It appears HHS went along with the corruption and ordered hydroxychloroquine from untested facilities in India and Pakistan. So... yeah... no.
Of course, my feelings will be different if and when regular order resumes under a new president, by which time researchers will have had adequate time to study and understand how this novel virus works.
AllyCat
(16,184 posts)We do not have to accept what 45 peddles.
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)But, I do trust the scientists, who are working all around the world to provide a vaccine. Once they come up with one that is safe and effective, you're damn right I'm getting it. I will remain highly skeptical of anything Trump pushes on his own.
ribrepin
(1,726 posts)Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)I certainly believe in vaccines (as if thats something you can believe or not believe in ). Id just be reluctant for a bit and rather continue to isolate than mess myself up.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)AllyCat
(16,184 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Although, strong as self preservation is, no counting on even most them to react rationally, not while they're still dutifully marching to the orders of Republican leaders.
lame54
(35,287 posts)When it's an actual thing and not theoretical
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)I'd have gone into bio-med research, and created a virus that is fatal to stupidity. It seems that Mother Nature is doing just that, all on her own.
Aristus
(66,328 posts)I wonder how many of these hammerheads I'm going to have to kick out of my clinic for being too stupid to live.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)Like we've done before.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Ever seen rushed software at version 1.0?
And then there is the reality of trusting Trump that it is safe.