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So, how long after the sentence will Trump wait before he pardons Stone? (Original Post) Jersey Devil Feb 2020 OP
Trump will make an announcement to "Cancel" the judge's decision this afternoon dalton99a Feb 2020 #1
That's my bet too Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #2
The words et al mean "and others"-already plural. rzemanfl Feb 2020 #5
yes, I know that - 4 yrs of Latin in high school Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #7
If he does Stone he might as well do them all. Buckeyeblue Feb 2020 #8
I was going to say after the election but you make a good point. I dunno..n/t monmouth4 Feb 2020 #3
Don't think he will wait for the election. He will get it out of the way now Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #4
Real soon I think. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #6
So if Trump pardons Stone, greymattermom Feb 2020 #9
It is moot Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #10
If Stone accepts the pardon, he is admitting he did something that warranted a pardon. Thomas Hurt Feb 2020 #17
I disagree. That is based on a very old case Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #22
An ordinary person would be taken into custody immediately. Sneederbunk Feb 2020 #11
the judge has already handmade34 Feb 2020 #12
If that is the case Trump may wait until the motion is decided Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #13
The real problem is that the judge will probably not COLGATE4 Feb 2020 #14
I think Trump will do it now even if the sentence isn't enforced now Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #16
You may very well be right. There's really no way of oredicting COLGATE4 Feb 2020 #19
After the election. If pardoned, Stone can be compelled to testify NCjack Feb 2020 #15
He could be charged with perjury but his pardon can never be invalidated Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #20
Manafort must wonder why he is still rotting in prison. nt ooky Feb 2020 #18
Agree if he pardons Stone he will have to pardon Manafort Jersey Devil Feb 2020 #23
The question might be how long will it take Dear Leader Buns_of_Fire Feb 2020 #21

dalton99a

(81,485 posts)
1. Trump will make an announcement to "Cancel" the judge's decision this afternoon
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:27 PM
Feb 2020

Stone won't miss dinner at his favorite restaurant


Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
2. That's my bet too
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:28 PM
Feb 2020

The only question is whether he throws in Flynn, Manafort et als at the same time or waits for another day to pardon them.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
7. yes, I know that - 4 yrs of Latin in high school
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:31 PM
Feb 2020

Anyone charged will be pardoned

Civile, dedigo,
fortibus in ero,
vadis in dem,
causan dux

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
8. If he does Stone he might as well do them all.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:31 PM
Feb 2020

This could be a tipping point. Trump is in an overly defiant mood lately. He is close to being out of control. It's going to be a long 11 months...

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
4. Don't think he will wait for the election. He will get it out of the way now
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:29 PM
Feb 2020

By the election is will be forgotten.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
10. It is moot
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:33 PM
Feb 2020

A pardon essentially means the trial never happened and the charges were never made as though they have magically disappeared.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
22. I disagree. That is based on a very old case
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:03 PM
Feb 2020

A pardon means, imo, that an offense is void ab initio, as though it never happened. There is no requirement that a person pardoned do anything to accept it or admit anything. Once pardoned, the offense is gone, poof.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
13. If that is the case Trump may wait until the motion is decided
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:37 PM
Feb 2020

I thought the judge had already ruled on it. But I still maintain Trump will not let Stone go to jail even for 15 minutes

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
14. The real problem is that the judge will probably not
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:46 PM
Feb 2020

execute the sentence immediately. She will in all probability suspend execution pending the inevitable appeal, which in practical terms means Stone will sleep in his own bed tonight (and every night thereaftre until Dumpy pardons him). Net resultL Stone does zero days in jail.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
16. I think Trump will do it now even if the sentence isn't enforced now
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:48 PM
Feb 2020

He is feeling his oats after the impeachment and will think it will be forgotten by November.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
15. After the election. If pardoned, Stone can be compelled to testify
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:48 PM
Feb 2020

against Trump and his gang. If he lies in his testimony, his pardon could be invalidated and he could be forced to complete his sentence in prison.

Trump feels strong pressure to win reelection to run out the clock on his various crimes. So, I think that Stone will be required to "suck it up" and wear a number until the day after the election.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
20. He could be charged with perjury but his pardon can never be invalidated
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:53 PM
Feb 2020

There is no provision for the appeal or oversight of Presidential pardons in the Constitution.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
23. Agree if he pardons Stone he will have to pardon Manafort
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:05 PM
Feb 2020

Trump probably told Manafort to wait for the election.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,175 posts)
21. The question might be how long will it take Dear Leader
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:00 PM
Feb 2020

to have a new pResidential Medal of Honor minted to award to poor little Roger for all the unfairness he has endured.

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