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My mom hated Trump, but she valued being a Republican. (Original Post) Norbert Feb 2020 OP
The same thing happening here, duforsure Feb 2020 #1
My 80 year old aunt never voted for a democrat in her life until Hillary Clinton Scotch-Irish Feb 2020 #21
I have a lot of sympathy for people like her. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2020 #2
I used to believe that they wanted the same end result: Bettie Feb 2020 #4
Selfishness prevails. If I have a job, my friends Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #11
When was that? Alpeduez21 Feb 2020 #7
I was born in 66 and there were some Bettie Feb 2020 #12
exactly bdamomma Feb 2020 #17
We welcome your Scarsdale Feb 2020 #3
Well, they were all saying that they Bettie Feb 2020 #5
They should not be in charge, Scarsdale Feb 2020 #8
Joni does not understand civics. Desert grandma Feb 2020 #20
A warm welcome to your mom! sakabatou Feb 2020 #6
But... but... but... we're the party of Lincoln... Raster Feb 2020 #9
:) Went and gave a like for her mom and all others. Hortensis Feb 2020 #10
Welcome to the party that supports science and the common good. lark Feb 2020 #13
Trump's a symptom of a disease called RepubLIEconism. nt live love laugh Feb 2020 #14
T H I S a 1,000,000,000 times over Cosmocat Feb 2020 #19
K&R, the polls don't factor in people who are not declaring republican !! Trumps numbers would be uponit7771 Feb 2020 #15
It's being called the Party of tRump bdamomma Feb 2020 #16
Possibly. Caliman73 Feb 2020 #18
It sounds like mom's party left HER. *z-snaps* NCLefty Feb 2020 #22
Being a Republican meant something else 50 years ago. DFW Feb 2020 #23

duforsure

(11,880 posts)
1. The same thing happening here,
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 06:31 AM
Feb 2020

Family members and some friends are denouncing trump and the republican party and switching to Democrats , and many are now running with them after seeing what a liar he is , and how corrupt he and the republicans have become. People are realizing they want to destroy health care , the rule of law and are corrupt, and they see he'll destroy Social Security , and some i know were pretty pissed about their tax scam bill , which also cut Medicaid , Medicare, and Social Security , after he claimed he wouldn't. Democrats should include that in their ads . many don't realize he's already cut these programs, and will a lot more like he's doing to the ACA.

 

Scotch-Irish

(464 posts)
21. My 80 year old aunt never voted for a democrat in her life until Hillary Clinton
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 03:13 AM
Feb 2020

She absolutely hates donald trump.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,617 posts)
2. I have a lot of sympathy for people like her.
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 07:29 AM
Feb 2020

There was a time when being a Republican was quite honorable, even if I, as a Democrat, disagreed with them.

But all of those people need to think long and hard about their party affiliation these days. And change it.

Bettie

(15,898 posts)
4. I used to believe that they wanted the same end result:
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 07:56 AM
Feb 2020

everyone doing better, but thought that their way would produce that result.

Now? Most elected Republicans seem to want to watch the country burn.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
11. Selfishness prevails. If I have a job, my friends
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 09:20 AM
Feb 2020

And family do, who cares about anyone else. Just giving my hard earned money to lazy people. Romney knew his people believed that back when he got caught with his 48% talk. I honestly don't know how you change it, unless they somehow find a leader with heart and they respect.

Alpeduez21

(1,728 posts)
7. When was that?
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 08:20 AM
Feb 2020

I was born in 1965 and the only repukes I've seen like racism and inequality. They HATE labor and civil rights. Law and order is a tool to keep people in poverty and to prevent voting and protesting the government.

Trump is but a symptom of the disease that is republican. Vote blue no matter who and get out the vote!

Bettie

(15,898 posts)
12. I was born in 66 and there were some
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 10:09 AM
Feb 2020

relatively decent Republicans historically, mostly people I knew.

The current batch? They are the worst so far.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
3. We welcome your
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 07:38 AM
Feb 2020

mother and all the others who have finally seen what their party has become. Joni Ernst from Iowa is proclaiming that if Joe Biden wins, the gop will impeach him immediately. I don't think she was supposed to say that out loud! I hope she loses her re-election and has to go back to the farm. Oh wait, she divorced her husband to get her position so that's out.
The pigs will be happy to hear that.

Bettie

(15,898 posts)
5. Well, they were all saying that they
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 07:57 AM
Feb 2020

had impeachment articles ready to go on day 1 for Clinton as well.

I'm pretty sure that they will have them ready for any future Democratic president on day one, based on how unfair it is for them not to be in charge.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
8. They should not be in charge,
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 08:37 AM
Feb 2020

they mess up EVERYTHING in no time at all. As soon as one of theirs gets into the WH, then deficits do not matter. The National Debt is skyrocketing. tRump and his unqualified "kids" are costing taxpayers millions to protect them. The gop had better pray that a democratic contender wins the WH, so they can start the cleanup after tRump and his army of idiots.

Desert grandma

(800 posts)
20. Joni does not understand civics.
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 01:16 PM
Feb 2020

As long as Democrats hold the majority in the House, there will be no such impeachment. ONLY THE HOUSE CAN PASS ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT! Hopefully we will run a smart Dem in her place than can beat her.

Raster

(20,996 posts)
9. But... but... but... we're the party of Lincoln...
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 08:49 AM
Feb 2020

...yeah, about that: The GOP* hasn't been the party of Lincoln for over 50 years. That tired, old, racist dog won't hunt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

ON EDIT: Welcome Mom!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. :) Went and gave a like for her mom and all others.
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 08:58 AM
Feb 2020

I'll also be grateful also to all conservatives too disillusioned and deluded to support anyone who just decide to stay home.

lark

(22,835 posts)
13. Welcome to the party that supports science and the common good.
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 10:24 AM
Feb 2020

So glad to have her with us!! Wish I could get my older best friend to make the move, but still working on her.

Cosmocat

(14,529 posts)
19. T H I S a 1,000,000,000 times over
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 12:56 PM
Feb 2020

They have gaslighted the brains out of 1/3 of our country going back to the late 80s/early 90s.

They created the festering disease that this POS took the whip from.

It does not go away if he gets unelected ...

uponit7771

(90,164 posts)
15. K&R, the polls don't factor in people who are not declaring republican !! Trumps numbers would be
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 11:55 AM
Feb 2020

... lower in the kGOP polls if they did

Caliman73

(11,644 posts)
18. Possibly.
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 12:23 PM
Feb 2020

I would welcome people who change their party status. I would hold some suspicion though.

Republicans and Democrats hold some pretty fundamental differences in the way they see things.

My father was a Republican when he was younger. He came to the US when he was 16 as an immigrant from Mexico. He worked and went to school, joined the military and fought in Vietnam. He supported Nixon and the "silent majority" and did not like the protesters. He thought that LBJ got us into the mess and Nixon got us out. He thought Reagan was right in "never apologizing for America". However, around the second term of Reagan, he started noticing that what Republicans say they want, and what they do are very different. He saw that Reagan sold missiles to Iran (our enemy) and that Reagan was sending money to Nicaragua illegally. He changed his party affiliation in 1992. After learning what Republicans did he had to admit, at least to himself, that they were wrong and he was wrong in supporting them.

Republicans (at least the leadership) want government to enforce the existing social and economic order. They believe that capitalism and the free market can address all of the problems in society and that government need only get out of the way and protect private property to allow that to happen. Republicans think that the way things are right now are the result of people's choices and actions and that poor people have done or have not done something, and that is why they are where they are. They are okay with charity but they do not want their tax money going to "lazy people" (mostly what they think of Black and Brown people, when Brown people aren't stealing their jobs for lower pay).

Democrats want government to manage the excesses of capitalism through regulation and progressive taxation so that he benefits our our economic output makes everyone's life better. Democrats tend to recognize that inequality is the natural progression of unregulated capitalism and they want rules to keep that inequality from getting too bad. We too tend to believe in meritocracy, but many of us recognize that there are built in, longstanding, institutionalized forms of discrimination that have taken opportunity away from many. We don't like taxes either but understand that when people's basic needs are met and people have money to spend, that the economy and society fare much better.

My concern is that many Republicans see Trump as an aberration of Republicanism. They still support the values above, but see Trump as being gross and too racist, sexist, vulgar, etc.... He is all of those things, but my question is this: Trump always appeared to be more aligned with the Democratic Party. As a "rich" guy he went with whoever could do more for him economically but he favored Democrats. WHY DID HE RUN AS A REPUBLICAN AND NOT A DEMOCRAT? The answer is that he could NEVER have been elected as a Democrat because his views are repugnant to Democratic principles. Trump's policies are in line with Republican policies. The party has been right wing since the gilded age but shifting rightward socially since Nixon. The Republican Party is the party of hierarchy, decided by race, religion, gender, and wealth.

I do welcome people who have had a change. We just need to make sure they understand what they are joining.

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