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Sat Feb 1, 2020, 05:50 PM

The only way to peel away some Trump voters is if the economy declines.

The GOP is loyal to Trump because they think he created this economy, among other reasons.

We need to express our displeasure with the GOP and Trump by closing our wallets. Consumers drive the economy. Itís time to stop spending as a form of protest.

When Wall Street earnings decline itíll hurt the GOP. Time to cut back on spending. Donít buy that car you want until after the election. Donít buy a house. No new furniture.

This must be done to show how much we despise the threat to our democracy. Just shut down spending. Now.

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Response to OrlandoDem2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 05:58 PM

1. The last post I saw suggesting this did not fare well. Good luck. n/t

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Response to OrlandoDem2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 06:03 PM

2. It is very hard to target a geographical area

Using your purchasing powers in how you buy.

I have decided that in traveling across the U.S., where possible I will not spend a dime in a Red State where ever possible. We had plans for a vacation to Montana this June, but I will be canceling that and maybe go up to Canada.

The sad part is that in taking these actions, you sometimes hurt some good people.

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Response to OrlandoDem2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 06:09 PM

3. Need to concentrate on the concentration of wealth into fewer and fewer people's hands. This...

will highlight the growing disparity of the 1%ers (actually < 10%) owning over 50% of the wealth in this country. A gross distortion of the economy.

This is a consumer driven economy, and indicators are everywhere showing that things are slowing down, manufacturing, services, etc., and I suspect that one of the main reason(s) is that incomes have been relatively fixed since 1980s levels, and costs keep going up and up.

This results in less and less being purchased by the average consumer, using roughly the same amount of money (and reduced in value due to inflation too) they were making back in the 80s...everyone knows this story ... don't have to put a lot of energy into making this point either, since the only class I'm aware of that is making any headway is NOT the middle class but the $millionaires and $billionaires. No other class has increased percentage wise in size.

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Response to OrlandoDem2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 06:12 PM

4. Democrats need to come to terms with the fact that a campaign that highlights Trump's faults will

largely be a non-starter in this economy.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 07:26 PM

12. close but no

what we need to do (to win) is explain exactly in plain language what we intend to do to improve the average citizen's life by way of policy. And we need to explain how exactly we intend to accomplish this feat.

For example, if you go to buy a new car and dealer A spends hours showing you all the features of their car and dealer B spends most of his time bashing dealer A then you will open your wallet in dealer A's showroom. And then you will tell all of your friends that dealer B is an idiot. Positive wins over negative every time.

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Response to OrlandoDem2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 06:13 PM

5. The only way? I say no. One of the ways it could? Yes.

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Response to yonder (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 07:27 PM

13. What other ways, then? (n/t)

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 09:10 PM

16. Saying only is kind of like saying never. It's limiting.

For starters I'd say traditional campaigning. Hammering a record, highlighting policy differences, etc.

One big thing is uniting Democrats toward a common goal. After the primaries, things should settle down but right now, there is a lot of unnecessary sniping between our candidates. Probably normal but not helpful, IMO.

GOTV.

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Response to OrlandoDem2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 06:15 PM

6. All he has done is do a stimulus program on an already growing economy

someday the chickens will come home to roost. It will likely hit whoever gets elected next time, so it is a win win for the Republicans either way.

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Response to OrlandoDem2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 06:17 PM

7. There was a report the other day that Trump's GDP is worse than Jimmy Carter's.

I think his whole economy is built on stock manipulation and he's the primary manipulator.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 06:56 PM

9. Stocks and bonds aren't included in GDP

A product will only be counted in GDP one time in its life. So, current transactions involving assets and property produced in previous periods are not counted in the current GDP. For instance, if a laptop produced in the year 2000 is resold in 2006, the GDP of 2006 will not include the resale value of the laptop because this is a mere transfer of ownership entailing no creation of new value.

Other things not included in the GDP are government social security and welfare payments, current exchanges in stock and bonds, and changes in the values of financial assets. Since GDP measures the market values of goods and services, economic activities that do not pass through the regular market channels are excluded in the computation of GDP. GDP doesn't include activities that go on in black market channels. This is particularly important to note when looking at third world countries that may have a significant part of their economy involved in the sale of black market goods, in which case their level of productivity would not be accurately reflected by looking at GDP.


http://www.econport.org/content/handbook/NatIncAccount/Counted.html

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Response to OrlandoDem2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 06:53 PM

8. This is the second post I've seen suggesting this.

Neither have made any sense.

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Response to OrlandoDem2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 07:11 PM

10. Trump will claim that any economic decline

is purely the Democrats' fault. And his supporters will believe that.

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Response to OrlandoDem2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 07:24 PM

11. They aren't that fucking stupid

 

They are that fucking racist.

They are a lost fucking cause.

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 09:34 PM

17. You are correct about them being a lost cause.

They are poisonous to us and the world. So it's not enough that we win in November; they must get their asses kicked, too.

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Response to OrlandoDem2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 07:30 PM

14. I don't think any of this matters. We won't

peel off 45 voters. The only path to victory is GOTV in such overwhelming numbers that we can overcome the cheating.

Folks are entrenched. In too deep. Filled with excuses and justification. So many directly affected by tariffs saying yes they were hurt, and yes they still support 45.

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Response to OrlandoDem2 (Original post)

Sat Feb 1, 2020, 08:12 PM

15. It appears that many people don't consider the National Debt to be part of the economy...

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