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SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 02:42 AM Jan 2020

This was always the conclusion. We're just here a week earlier.

Lamar Alexander is a coward. However, at this point, no witness and no amount of public pressure was going to flip the 20 senators that we needed to remove trump.

Acquittal was always in the card. What was at question was whether the Republican Party would acquit him after a semblance of a fair trial or after a rushed together cover up. They chose the latter and we need to remind voters of that every day until they are out of the Senate.

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KPN

(15,739 posts)
1. Yup. But knowing that somehow does not make things feel any better. Tonight and tomorrow are/will
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 02:55 AM
Jan 2020

be low points in American history, right up there with slavery and our treatment of native Americans as a whole. We are now without question a morally corrupt and lawless nation. That's a tough pill to swallow in itself, let alone the white supremacist, hurdling toward apocalypse/rapture crap.

RockRaven

(15,321 posts)
3. If the US survives this in a NOT Putin/Erdogan/Kim/etc type state, this might be the Senate's
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 03:01 AM
Jan 2020

version of SCOTUS's Dred Scott decision -- extraordinarily pretextual and bogus arguments for their action, totally indefensible on any rational or evidentiary grounds, terrible consequences, historically reviled.

If the US does not, then we've always been at war with Eastasia.

RockRaven

(15,321 posts)
2. They were never going to convict. Ergo, the matter was always about: would they damage themselves
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 02:56 AM
Jan 2020

by allowing the witnesses to expose them as horribly corrupt via their ignoring of the witness testimony, or would they take control and expose themselves as horribly corrupt by refusing to listen to witness testimony.

You've got to hand it to them -- they aren't going to allow anyone else to light them on fire, by god they are going to immolate themselves.

THE ONLY IMPEACHMENT TRIAL IN HISTORY -- OF ANY OFFICE -- WHICH DID NOT ALLOW WITNESS TESTIMONY.

Mike Niendorff

(3,482 posts)
4. Let's be clear:
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 03:02 AM
Jan 2020

Trump's guilt is not in serious question here.

The issue is : will the Senate do its job?

The answer is : a resounding "NO"


MDN

napi21

(45,806 posts)
5. I don't see it as a problem. Bolten's book comes out in 2-3 weeks. Even more bad news for the
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 03:08 AM
Jan 2020

WH. The Pubs will be proven to have rigged the trial in favor of DT. Payback in November is coming! The voters will know DT is guilty of the charges he was impeached for and they will have the final vote

Aussie105

(5,665 posts)
6. First, people thought voting for Hillary would be a given.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 05:53 AM
Jan 2020

Nobody would vote for that fake guy, right?

Much disappointment followed.

Then everyone put their faith and hope in the Mueller report.
Mueller would set things straight, right?

Much disappointment followed.

Then everyone put their faith and hope in the Senate impeachment trial.
The Senate would set things straight, right?

Much disappointment followed.

Then everyone put their faith and hope in the upcoming election.
No one would make the same crazy stuff-up again, right?

I'm starting to see a pattern here . . .



Turbineguy

(37,576 posts)
7. Opening the door to witnesses is dangerous.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 06:50 AM
Jan 2020

For some republican Senators. Slippery slope. Camel's nose.

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