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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/29/20 THREAD 3****
Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212924433
Thread 2 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212924891
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)Noting that the President is openly demanding that his justice department to investigate his rivals. And you don't invite a foreign power to do the same.
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)Meaning there was no legitimate investigation done - just wanted it announced. Just wanted it to cheat the next election.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)would it only include criminal code or can it be breach of public trust?
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)and how "criminal" is not required.
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)no one would impeach on that despite it being criminal. But there are activities that are so egregious and dangerous that it requires efforts to deal with, even if not associate with a criminal statute.
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)WTF??????????????????????????
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)Committees have authority to issue subpoenas.
If you believe his bullshit - then no committee can issue a subpoena unless the entire House allows it. So no oversight can be allowed.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)In order to recognize their subpoena powers.
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)have had public trust violated.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)and he also ever claimed any Executive Privilege but claimed "absolute immunity", which has been rejected by every single court.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)Witnesses have to show up with counsel to invoke privilege; they were told to ignore subpoenas entirely.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)H2O Man
(73,602 posts)Magic bullet.
E- mails.
Moon landing.
Shall we not focus upon these?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)H2O Man
(73,602 posts)The Democrats have not mentioned either asteroids or puppies. Surely Jay Sekulow will remind the senators of this.
trueblue2007
(17,237 posts)Grab them by the Magic Oscar Meyer Wiener.
Telephone game.
When Harry Met Sally...?
Shall we not focus upon these?
H2O Man
(73,602 posts)Adam Schiff is refusing to comment on efforts to legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair. Jay Sekulow will nail him on this.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)H2O Man
(73,602 posts)is simply outstanding.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)but the House can't because they are being blocked to them.
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)As someone on DU pointed out, any drinking game based on WH counsel lies will be fatal.
elleng
(131,083 posts)Sorry out of ice cream, to combine with Kahlua.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)Found the carcass of a catfish washed up to the bank. Back of the fish was shredded (probably a snapping turtle); reminded me of what House managers have done to WH 'arguments'. Had to get back in here.
This administration of, by, and for oligarchs and autocrats just can't be ignored while it actively plots to destroy us. We're gonna get 'em!
elleng
(131,083 posts)HOPE we're gonna get them.
Did they say there will be DINNER break? DO wanna pic up something to go with Kahlua (that's coffee ice cream!,) and bagel for breakfast. Already took a break to help friend pick up car. WHAT to DO???
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)There are more of US than there are of the destroyers. More and more people are recognizing the fight.
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)Wednesdays
(17,406 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)Says hopes her colleagues want to talk to the man who was in "The Room Where It Happened". upChuck Toadie asks whatabout Hunter Biden?
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)I get so tired of hearing Russiapublicans. It's a relief to hear from someone like Klobuchar.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)Drumpf's "delay" in Ukraine aid and Obama's providing no aid for 1000 days.
WTF?
underpants
(182,876 posts)Okay so Biden bragged about telling the Ukrainians - fire that guy or you dont get the billion dollars.
Trump withheld $391 Million
Its not exact but 3 years of aid is just over a billion.
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)Fuck these fucking fuckers
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)With a chainsaw.
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)If there are people who can contribute to this should they are should they not be heard?
underpants
(182,876 posts)If Fox mentioned it I doubt they mentioned it very often.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)We should be able to call witnesses - and so should the President (relevant witnesses).
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)What is the significance of President's former Chief of Staff? The question is whether YOU believe John Bolton.
Ridiculous to assert it would be unprecedented to have no witnesses during a trial or even an impeachment.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)"take out the President".
Obvious CT.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)philbin wasnt gonna speculate, but basically did. And he didnt know much, but did bring up a range of details. Was gross.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)and did anyone threaten that Bolton could not publish the book?
HA!!! He's on the defensive.
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)the process and he keeps lying about some "secretive process".
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)Pachamama
(16,887 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)and had to read a letter into the record.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)Talker said each side was giving "soft ball" questions to their own side, but neither had asked the other a pointed question.
That question to WH counsel about Bolton's book was a pointed question, so the soft balls may diminish.
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)(same irrelevant talking points)
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Equipment as just blankets from we heard from republicans in the House proceedings.
Is why I even know that list of military assistance that President Obama gave to Ukraine in 2014.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)For the record, it was reported earlier today that Gym Jacket Off Jordan and Mark Meadows "helped" the Republican senators come up with their questions.
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)with the stupid argument that it still went thorugh.
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)Fearless
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)if pause.
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)mentioned staff had received emails requesting status of aid...
nolabear
(41,991 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)reports.
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)were just brought up by the WH counsel. So the COPIES of the emails SHOULD BE allowed to be obtained.
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)to be spent due to the hold because they would have expired at the end of the FY and there is still $18 million that hasn't been spent.
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)July 25 - Ex-Top Kyiv Official: We Had this Information
Week of July 25 - Cooper: Two Emails That Ukraine Embassy Asking About Aid
July - Croft: Overtures From Ukraine About Aid
Mid-Aug - Lt. Col. Vindman: Receives Light Inquiries From Ukraine Re: Hold
nolabear
(41,991 posts)So nothing in the record...
BumRushDaShow
(129,414 posts)corruption before Joe Biden announced and was anything mentioned about Poroschenko and corruption in Ukraine.