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VOX
(22,976 posts)Many folks who live away from coastal cities would consider $200K to be an absolute windfall.
But it is a cool story, is it not?
mylightningtoo
(58 posts)200k is so much less than what she makes. Im emphasizing the system is out of control.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Does she know you speak about her like this?
Sugar Smack
(18,748 posts)dontcha know.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)I'm sure they meant to say "damn shame". With the concern and all.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)In fact, I believe that GPs should make at least that.
wryter2000
(46,076 posts)To express exactly what you've said.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,580 posts)MDs are not known for working 40-hour weeks.
Aristus
(66,440 posts)Unlike doctors in TV shows who seem to have a lot of free time to get into prime-time-ready trouble, most MD's in real life put in a lot of hours.
wryter2000
(46,076 posts)Some went to 4/5th time just to get some breathing room. They still worked at least 40 hours per week.
Of course, I worked with Kaiser doctors. The reward for good work was more work.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)They are the types that demand that sandwich shop workers get paid at least $15 per hour, but turn around and have a hot assed chafe about paying $10 for a sandwich. They don't see all the background expenses involved with making ANY business work, so they ride their high horse. They don't see the times the Doctor gets called in the middle of the night and has to quickly freshen up and make her way to a hospital.
It is so fucking easy for people to complain. Maybe they should go to Medical School and walk in the shoes of Doctors. When some talk about business, I challenge them to open a fucking business and then keep talking shit after a year of running it.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)You might not want to label other complainers.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But I will take on complainers that are running off at the mouth without understanding the inner workings of what they are complaining about. Well, if that makes you unhappy, knock yourself out.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Worked on shit that was just as important (life and health type things) as any doctor, ran projects worth over $100 million, and i got paid about $75K per year. Cry me a river.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Medical researchers come up with the medicines and therapies that Doctors apply, they make less than Doctors. Such is life. I can't cry rivers because I am not a complainer by nature.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)I believe in service to my neighbors. On that note, doctors that charge exhorbitantly will be criticized and I wont be labeled a "complainer" for it. A $200,000 bonus is excessive.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Growing up, two of my parents best friends (and our neighbors) were both orthopedic surgeons; another was a plastic surgeon.
I was extremely accident prone as a child; never did they fail to show up when my mom called in a panic or when they heard through their wives that something had happened.
And they never billed us. Mom told me this much later. One put my knee back together after an awful accident, the other set numerous broken arms, wrists, etc.
Both of them died much too young, one from an aneurysm in the hospital parking lot and the other from a number of things...primarily probably caused by alcoholism. He beat that in later life, but didnt last long after.
I remember both of them fondly. They both worked many, many hours that Im sure contributed to their early deaths. Youre right, they work a lot of hours.
sir pball
(4,758 posts)Office-hours docs, sure.
ER/trauma docs, paramedics - no rest for the weary. My BFF is a para and he routinely does 80 hours.
Aristus
(66,440 posts)Our office hours are 40 per week. But I routinely get to the office two hours prior to opening to do paperwork, and work on charts when I get home. So while I'm grateful that I don't have an MD's workload, I still put in 50-54 hours per week. And that's when I'm not on call. Office-hours MD's undoubtedly put in more.
sir pball
(4,758 posts)I quit my souschef job a few months back, it was 80+ hours, and all holidays. This was the first Christmas in four years I didn't have to work...worth it.
demosincebirth
(12,541 posts)Charge on television shows.
at140
(6,110 posts)we drove to the hospital and her Gynecologist showed up soon after in the hospital for delivery.
My job on the other hand was 8-5 with one hour lunch break, No clock to punch, and as many coffee breaks as I wanted.
I worked in an air conditioned office and had unlimited sick leave and 25 working days vacation every year and I could accumulate max 42 working days if not used up. I do not envy gynecologists no matter how much money they make.
sarisataka
(18,751 posts)Suggest that she donate all money over $200,000 to places like Planned Parenthood or others that provide medical services to those who can't afford it
mylightningtoo
(58 posts)much
greatauntoftriplets
(175,749 posts)sarisataka
(18,751 posts)They are paid too much. But if she is willing to do the job for a "mere" $200k per year and you think that is excessive maybe she, and you with your prospects, canspread some of your largesse around. You would be making a small step toward resolving the inequality you see.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Her SO said that she gets well paid, the person said not one thing about what she does with the money. Maybe she is paying off a big Med School loan. You know nothing about her circumstances and/or life choices.
sarisataka
(18,751 posts)It wasn't mentioned in the OP.
What was mentioned is that the doctor would do her job for a mere $200k. From that I infer that $200k would be enough to cover student loans, insurance and maintain a reasonable lifestyle.
The conclusion one draws then is that this doctor has a large discretionary income, one the OP believes excessive.
I was simply suggesting a way to distribute that income so the OP does not have to suffer from the benefits of affluence.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Really?
Congrats on your prospects. No doubt shed be thrilled to know thats how you refer to her.
What is it you do for a living?
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)I said the same thing in post #5.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,749 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Well played!
mylightningtoo
(58 posts)is a negative aspect of our relationship.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)I see it online all the time..oh no I NEVER have. Please proceed.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Dont think Ive heard that since the last time I read Pride and Prejudice lol.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Prospects and gold mines...oh wait maybe that would be a letter to the editor of Miner 49er!
VOX
(22,976 posts)Having too much shouldnt cause many sleepless nights.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)You can pay your bills, live well, vacation well, eat well, youll be able to educate your children well, give generously to charities...whats negative about it?
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Sometimes there is competition in couples
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I would never use "negative" to describe some aspect of an SO that person doesn't have much control over.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Didnt think of that right off, but you are spot on.
The comment hit me wrong, but couldnt quite figure out why. You said it.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)to you, maybe you are in a relationship that is wrong for you. I can't believe that she would be happy to see you refer to her career and things about it that she can't control as "negatives".
Hekate
(90,773 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Its pathetic that the OP and the vast majority of commenters on this thread have said nothing about what it has taken her in education, investment or time to get where she is.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)As I said, it reminds me of something from a book by Jane Austen.
egduj
(805 posts)ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)mylightningtoo
(58 posts)To boast about salaries? My apologies for being inartful. My point was the medical salaries are insane, and Im not clear why insurance companies pay doctors so much. Ugh.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)This is a new one though.
Disaffected
(4,559 posts)bother you - it happens too frequently here.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I looked at what my Doctor bills for him and his Nurse spending 12 minutes with me for a routine visit. It looks hefty, but then he has two receptionists, rent, Internet fees, equipment rentals. Each of those items come out of his fee that he got for seeing me.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts).to ask why doctors charge so much. Insurance companies don't pay them more than the amounts that they bill, after all.
H2O Man
(73,590 posts)ret5hd
(20,511 posts)bet shes hot too, huh?
essme
(1,207 posts)At the very least attempt to come up with something original.
Just effing try.
Demovictory9
(32,468 posts)ret5hd
(20,511 posts)Personally, I think the OP needs a creative writing class. I've seen more engaging stories in Penthouse Forum.
Response to ret5hd (Reply #72)
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abqtommy
(14,118 posts)bills and went bankrupt. I learned an important lesson through all that. I don't recommend that type of
education to everyone, though.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But what looks big in Nebraska is more that likely struggling in LA or SF, or Seattle, or NYC.
Some here have a socialistic mindset where people should make the same amount regardless of their skill level. While I believe high earners should pay far more in taxes, I am also perfectly fine with people that have put in the effort to gain specialized skills, or took a risk and started up a successful business being compensated for that.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)She's lucky if she isn't among them.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)don't bother to look behind before going off.
MissMillie
(38,574 posts)j/k
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,376 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Well done.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,376 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Did they come with bows?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The OP seems to feel out of place in the SOs' life. So instead of sitting down with that person to have a heart to heart and decide whether they are life partners, the OP brings the issues into a public forum. I didn't see any of it as bragging like some here implied, instead I saw it as a cry for help by a person that can't sit down with an SO and talk about values and life perspectives.
I am not one that feels that Doctors are overpaid and I have made that clear before.
Hav
(5,969 posts)At first I was with the OP and understood it as highlighting that maybe the wages for some doctors can be really high. I didn't see any intent to brag.
But reading post 13, I think there is an envy problem concerning both the job (and the standing in society it can have) and the money the SO makes. That is the real problem I'd try to focus on if I were the OP.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Joe941
(2,848 posts)samnsara
(17,634 posts)samnsara
(17,634 posts)..and heartfelt gratitude will be a very rewarding compensation...
Docreed2003
(16,869 posts)I can tell you in the surgery field we don't see anything like that and I'm pretty sure most of my GYN colleagues don't either.
But sure, let's beat up on doctors.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Not sure the point of the OP.
Except maybe to stir up DU.
DFW
(54,435 posts)I doubt the purpose was to stir things up.
It takes a while to get a feel for the pace of DU, and not every new poster is prepared for being called evil the second they say they are out of debt or can afford the rent.
Personally, I think the Lounge would have been the more appropriate forum for this post, but that's just my opinion, and I applaud the mods for not jumping in and locking the thread just for that reason alone.
Takket
(21,611 posts)many years in expensive schools, high insurance costs, residencies, long hours, and a lot of risk. They deserve what they are paid.
evertonfc
(1,713 posts)zero issues with physicians making big money. The investment in time and resources is unmatched.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,454 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,454 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)I mean 1.4 mil is quite a salary....
LuckyCharms
(17,454 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)was so literal.
lapfog_1
(29,219 posts)and does the practice cover it or does she cover it herself?
delisen
(6,044 posts)kimbutgar
(21,177 posts)Apple was starting to gain momentum and the firm got a piece of the investment banking pie of these high tech companies. They used to give us bonuses twice a year. A few times I got bonuses of at least $50,000 part of it was an IRA contribution. I saved those bonus letters and cant believe I got so much. I saved those bonuses and used them as a down payment on my house and had my kitchen remodeled and expanded and to this day still have much of that money in my IRA. In 2007 I moved the IRA from mutual funds into cash. I had left that business in 1996 and the broker told me I was crazy to cash out now. After the market crashed in 2008 he called and asked me if I had any more insight in the market and if I wanted to come work for him. I said no I like the money but not the early morning hours. A guy I worked with at the time kept his money in those mutual finds and he got pretty much wiped out sadly in 2008.
Saw Steve Jobs several times in our offices he was a jerk in real life) sadly.
nini
(16,672 posts)I assume she works for a big group to get a bonus at all. So the for profit industry is working out quite well for some. Im sure lots of people were denied treatment to allow for such big bonuses.
Im all for doctors making a good wage but not at the expense of others either.
Hekate
(90,773 posts)Do you have ANY idea how much debt the average medical student racks up by the time they get to add that MD to their name?
Has it sunk in to you what kind of hours she will keep if she works in a hospital, or is on-call?
Or is she fictional and are you just seeing if you can stir the pot here at DU with class-based resentment?
Because something about this cool story just doesn't ring right, bro.
Welcome to DU, however.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Skittles
(153,174 posts)sure
Ilsa
(61,697 posts)I would imagine she could easily have about $300,000 in debt. Hope it's lower.
Being smart gets you a better salary if you're willing to work for it.
BTW, she's still a working stiff, and she could always be exposed to HIV, hepatitis, etc. It's the yahoos getting $50k bonuses from unearned income and paying little in taxes that chap my butt.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)Im going to go ask about these bonuses
Ok edit. What is your fiancé speciality in medical surgical practice?
a la izquierda
(11,797 posts)The going rate for history profs at research intensive universities is way less than two bonuses (excepting the Ivy leagues and private universities).
I have an enormous amount of student debt to pay off and work about 65-70 hours a week.
🙄
milestogo
(16,829 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)mylightningtoo
(58 posts)fortunes is A Ok. See nothing wrong with the American health care system. If you could see the extravagance, you would gag.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)This one isn't working Mr "prospects"
demmiblue
(36,875 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)I agree the bonuses are a bit much too.
As long as health care is for profit this will happen. Perhaps your approach to the issue put people off.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)With many physicians. What is your fiancé doing, because shes not a GP, not in hematology, not hepatology, not nephrology. An OB/GYN is working in what kind of facility? Cause its not a university connected hospital. Bonus are for incentivizing certain goals. What are her goals? What does she specialize in. I actually went and asked a few MDs about their bonuses. They laughed.
Skittles
(153,174 posts)sure
Hekate
(90,773 posts)I bet you think all candidates who dare call themselves Democrats (or Democratic Socialists) should wear sackcloth and ashes and walk about the country barefoot instead of taking airplanes. They need to reduce their carbon footprint to nothing, right? Gods forbid they should have the good fortune to accumulate savings and buy a car that works, etc etc.
Same with MDs. Student loan debt be damned. Malpractice insurance be damned. How dare they make a living that can pay these things off?
Furthermore, I have heard of bonuses coming to people who are working for big corporations -- top salespeople and the like. I have never heard of a practicing doctor who got bonuses. What did you say she does again?
obamanut2012
(26,110 posts)Hav
(5,969 posts)your SO earns and her lifestyle in a more and more aggressive fashion. That is one aspect that makes people wonder about your intentions.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)I never thought it would happen to me. . .
That was perfect!
obamanut2012
(26,110 posts)flvegan
(64,412 posts)Everyone likes a good story. Thanks for playing!
Skittles
(153,174 posts)YER KILLING ME
Kali
(55,019 posts)ever fake your death on line and "return" as your own wife? what about shooting a dog?
Hekate
(90,773 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Maybe before my time here, durn it.
Kali
(55,019 posts)another possibility could be "I don't drink with you!"
obamanut2012
(26,110 posts)obamanut2012
(26,110 posts)you aren't even trying yawn
Sunsky
(1,737 posts)My suggestion, don't marry her if her profession is so out of sync with your ideology, so much so you had to post about it on DU.
No, I don't think your "prospects look good" at all because $$$ is not the most important aspect of successful relationships.
As a healthcare professional, I find it hard to believe that this was the result of communicating with her. You might want to sit down and have a discussion on the process of becoming a medical doctor and the function of a medical doctor. I'm sure you know for the most part it is not a 9-5 job. I used to work in labor and delivery before working in the ICU. Babies don't come on a schedule. Sometimes one baby is scheduled for Dr. A to deliver. Dr A plans to leave after. Then another of Dr. A's patient is in labor, then another and before you know it Dr. A is at the hospital all day with few rest in between. It was working in labor and delivery that solidify my view that I could not become a MD. You may have a different outlook if you listen to a few MDs.
There's a lot wrong with our healthcare system, compensating people for their hard work is not one of them.
Edit to add: As an OBGYN how is her malpractice insurance?
Hav
(5,969 posts)I'd guess it's that she earns more than him and some can't deal with that.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)beer and travel money.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,362 posts)More than a bot, I'd bet.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Wondered the same.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,209 posts)Does she pay for her own malpractice insurance? The premiums for an OB/GYN are hefty.
I'm not saying that some doctors aren't over compensated, obviously some are.