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EX500rider

(10,866 posts)
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 12:23 PM Dec 2019

Air Weapons: Ninja Hellfire Confirmed

"For the second time since 2017 there has been photographic evidence of a classified version of the Hellfire missile that uses a hardened front end to enable the missile to punch through the roof of civilian vehicles. Immediately after that six sharp blades are deployed and spin round rapidly killing anyone inside. At least that’s the theory after viewing he photos of the vehicle interiors after these attacks. This unconventional “ninja” missile is unofficially called the AGM-114R9X

The R9X first became known during a February 2017 UAV missile attack on an Islamic terrorist leader in Syria. Photos of the vehicle hit revealed that a Hellfire with a non-explosive warhead was used to kill the al Qaeda second-in-command while the he was in a moving vehicle. Pictures of the automobile were released and showed the large hole in the roof but no signs of an explosion. A similar attack took place in Yemen during a January 2019 attack and then again in October 2019 in Syria, not far from where ISIL (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant) leader Baghdadi had recently been killed during a commando raid.

Now, no longer a secret, this non-explosive Hellfire was unofficially confirmed, but without revealing its official designation or any pictures of the missile. It is known that the R9X was developed in secret during 2016 to provide a weapon that could be used against Islamic terrorist leaders who regularly travelled only when there were a lot of civilians, particularly women and children, near them. If such a target were hit with a regular Hellfire the vehicle would explode, causing injuries, often fatal, to anyone nearby.

Keeping this warhead a secret prevented Islamic terrorists from changing their travel habits once more, to avoid the R9X. This non-explosive Hellfire has apparently been used at least six times since 2016. That meant most Islamic terrorist leaders know it existed by now and, in general terms, how it worked. That justified the unofficial release of information about the R9X. The fact that it was used less than ten times in three years indicates that there were few opportunities for use and in each case the UAV was carrying regular Hellfires as well as at least one R9X. The decision to use the R9X was an option, if the target vehicle was apparently not going to be in the open before its passengers got out and disappeared into a building, compound or bunker."

Why this may horrify some, it is a way to keep down civilian collateral damage while taking out high priority terrorists leaders, which has a larger negative effect on their organization then taking out the foot soldiers. And death by high explosives or shrapnel or napalm etc isn't any prettier.

https://strategypage.com/htmw/htairw/articles/20191221.aspx

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Air Weapons: Ninja Hellfire Confirmed (Original Post) EX500rider Dec 2019 OP
I can only think that if we took the money it cost to develop, manufacture, deploy and deliver abqtommy Dec 2019 #1
Unfortunately lots of homicidal groups have zero to do with drought, hunger and various diseases. EX500rider Dec 2019 #8
True but there's probably things the US could do/not do that would make us less of a target ... mr_lebowski Dec 2019 #11
+10 - It is a mistake to attributes... reACTIONary Dec 2019 #12
Fuck all these Islamic Militants. MicaelS Dec 2019 #14
But doing that would eliminate the violence that require these type of weapons Fullduplexxx Dec 2019 #23
Death by blender. Still being done with no due process. marble falls Dec 2019 #2
Due process is not a part of warfare. nt EX500rider Dec 2019 #4
+10 nt reACTIONary Dec 2019 #9
Due process isn't part of police actions with POC in the U.S., either... abqtommy Dec 2019 #16
Except in 99%+ of the cases? Almost a million people are arrested every month... EX500rider Dec 2019 #18
I certainly wouldn't want to have a bigger problem than we do now. abqtommy Dec 2019 #19
kewl, onethatcares Dec 2019 #3
"more better ways to kill people." EX500rider Dec 2019 #6
+10 nt reACTIONary Dec 2019 #10
no matter onethatcares Dec 2019 #15
Well I know most the Islamic terrorists groups are fighting for a worldwide Islamic Caliphate.. EX500rider Dec 2019 #17
I don't see them onethatcares Dec 2019 #20
We are not fighting Isis in Iraq/Syria or the Taliban in Afghanistan so we can steal resources. EX500rider Dec 2019 #21
ok onethatcares Dec 2019 #22
. jberryhill Dec 2019 #5
Wow!!!! dware Dec 2019 #13
sounds like an updated version Doc_Technical Dec 2019 #7

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
1. I can only think that if we took the money it cost to develop, manufacture, deploy and deliver
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 12:48 PM
Dec 2019

this weapon and spread it around to alleviate drought, hunger and various diseases that the return on
the investment would be much more positive. That might even eliminate the need for these types of
weapons. Just imagine...

EX500rider

(10,866 posts)
8. Unfortunately lots of homicidal groups have zero to do with drought, hunger and various diseases.
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 02:49 PM
Dec 2019

In the past the Bider Meinhof of Germany, Red Army of Italy, etc..... Taliban, even ISIS isn't fighting for any of those reasons either, Osama bin Laden came from a rich Saudi/Yemen family.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
11. True but there's probably things the US could do/not do that would make us less of a target ...
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:32 PM
Dec 2019


Just sayin' ...

reACTIONary

(5,777 posts)
12. +10 - It is a mistake to attributes...
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:32 PM
Dec 2019

... purely economic motivations to terrorist organizations, especially the leadership. Improving economic conditions certainly would help. But that would lead to increasing secularism, which might motivate many of the bad actors.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
14. Fuck all these Islamic Militants.
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:50 PM
Dec 2019

When they do shit like blow up ancient statues, and try to keep women as property and prevent their education, they can ALL get their fucking heads chopped off.

EX500rider

(10,866 posts)
18. Except in 99%+ of the cases? Almost a million people are arrested every month...
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 04:45 PM
Dec 2019

...if due process wasn't followed in the vast majority we would have a much bigger problem then we do.

onethatcares

(16,185 posts)
3. kewl,
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 01:30 PM
Dec 2019

more better ways to kill people.

Wouldn't want the MIC to miss a bonus

MSRP 1billion dollars each and to think someone stayed up all night thinking this thing to fruition.

I

EX500rider

(10,866 posts)
6. "more better ways to kill people."
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 02:25 PM
Dec 2019

Actually it is a way to avoid killing innocent bystanders which seems like a good thing to me.
The standard Hellfire goes BOOM and kills other people nearby.

onethatcares

(16,185 posts)
15. no matter
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:57 PM
Dec 2019

I just wonder why they are killing us, we are killing them, no one seems to be wanting to quit the killing.

but

we do have some neat killing things, they got explosive vests and crap

and no matter what

the killing goes on and on and on.

When you're dead from that stuff, it don't really matter what killed you.

any idea why they are killing us? or we are killing them?

Ain't busting chops, but I'm getting really tired of 750Billion Dollar defense budgets.

EX500rider

(10,866 posts)
17. Well I know most the Islamic terrorists groups are fighting for a worldwide Islamic Caliphate..
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 04:43 PM
Dec 2019

...something worth fighting against in my opinion.

onethatcares

(16,185 posts)
20. I don't see them
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 06:19 PM
Dec 2019

as fighting for that, although there will always be reasons for what they do.

I'm not an expert or scholarly person by any stretch of the imagination but we've invaded their countries in order to claim their oil, lithium, and whatever we can grab.

We've killed innumerable members of their families with those smart bombs and if they were doing that here gaud only knows how'd we react. They have long memories, we have the tendency to move on to the next biggest thing almost immediately.

I'm not trying to argue caliphates or doctrines, I'm just tired of blowing our paychecks on the MIC.

EX500rider

(10,866 posts)
21. We are not fighting Isis in Iraq/Syria or the Taliban in Afghanistan so we can steal resources.
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 06:38 PM
Dec 2019

And I doubt most the members of either organization have all lost family members to US forces.
Not everything is the fault of the US.

onethatcares

(16,185 posts)
22. ok
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 06:46 PM
Dec 2019

it's been so long I've forgotten why we're fighting anyone in both places although I do support the granting of equal rights to Afghani women.

I'm not saying it's the fault of the U.S. of A., I'm just tired of my taxes going to war while homeless vets lose their food stamps.

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