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babylonsister

(171,096 posts)
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:27 PM Dec 2019

Why the missing testimony from the impeachment inquiry matters

Orion Rummler
Why the missing testimony from the impeachment inquiry matters

As impeachment moves into its next phase, House Democrats lack testimony from major players in the Trump administration about allegations that the president withheld military aid and a coveted White House meeting to pressure Ukraine into investigating his domestic political rivals.

Why it matters: House Democrats have cited the White House's blanket refusal to cooperate with the impeachment inquiry as evidence of obstruction for a potential article of impeachment.

At the House Judiciary Committee's first impeachment hearing on Wednesday, Democrats displayed a sign in which "obstruction of Congress" was listed as one of three impeachable offenses they say Trump has committed.

One of the main Republican criticisms of the inquiry has been that many of the witnesses do not have firsthand knowledge of Trump's decision-making and have relied on "hearsay" evidence. Many of those who would have that knowledge, however, have been blocked by the administration from testifying.


The key missing witnesses

Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney said at a press conference in October that Trump froze military aid until Ukraine agreed to investigate a conspiracy theory about the DNC server hacked by Russia in 2016 — before walking the comments back entirely.

Former national security adviser John Bolton was “personally involved in many of the events” at the heart of the impeachment inquiry, according to a letter from his attorney. He told former Russia adviser Fiona Hill to alert White House lawyers about a possible Ukraine quid pro quo, calling it a "drug deal" cooked up by Mulvaney, Rudy Giuliani and EU Ambassador Gordon Sondland.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Vice President Mike Pence were both "in the loop" about efforts to pressure Ukraine to announce the investigations, Sondland testified. "It was no secret," he added.

Giuliani has said he kept Trump apprised of his efforts in Ukraine, and multiple witnesses believe that he spoke for the president when it came to Ukraine matters. Call records obtained by the House Intelligence Committee show that Giuliani was on the phone with the White House more than a dozen times on the day that Trump forced out former Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch.


Between the lines: House Democrats won a major victory last month when a federal judge rejected the White House's claims that its aides are "absolutely immune" from congressional subpoenas.

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Why the missing testimony from the impeachment inquiry matters (Original Post) babylonsister Dec 2019 OP
They will proudly brag about how it worked Iwasthere Dec 2019 #1
Gwhb did this in the or an contra affair UpInArms Dec 2019 #2
Most repugs don't know what 'hearsay' is. louis-t Dec 2019 #3
Yes, having that testimony would be preferable gratuitous Dec 2019 #4

Iwasthere

(3,171 posts)
1. They will proudly brag about how it worked
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:38 PM
Dec 2019

That their strategy of stonewalling on the subpoenas was very effective and kept the waters just muddy enough. Throw in a little gaslighting and an extra dose of lies. Wiggled right off the hook. Mcconnel will be the key.

louis-t

(23,297 posts)
3. Most repugs don't know what 'hearsay' is.
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:48 PM
Dec 2019

Had a guy march into my office and tell me all the witnesses had was hearsay. I told him "If you see someone do something and testify to what you saw, that's NOT hearsay. You are a witness. That is considered factual evidence. If someone tells you THEY saw something and then you testify that person TOLD you they saw something, THAT is hearsay."

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. Yes, having that testimony would be preferable
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:55 PM
Dec 2019

But it's not the Democrats who have who have blocked it. Right now the Republicans want to have their cake and eat it, too. "We're not going to produce witnesses," followed by "You can't proceed without calling these witnesses to testify!" Yet for some reason, when the media report on one end of this, they completely forget the other end. Too complicated, I suppose.

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