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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 20 THREAD 7***
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crickets
(25,990 posts)ancianita
(36,225 posts)Repubs claim their prez is being bullied by impeachment.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)was the ultimate Alpha Male Man's Man He-Man?
ancianita
(36,225 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Of course Zelensky isnt going to say he is
BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)believe it or not...
elleng
(131,391 posts)gademocrat7
(10,687 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Whistleblower claims dont change the presidents actions
crickets
(25,990 posts)It doesn't change body of evidence, just puts someone at risk.
ancianita
(36,225 posts)Just looks that way to me, so far.
Media can only go with Sondland's opening written statement to affect public opinion; if they go with testimony, they've got equivocation, which affects public opinion, too.
At least Sondland's showed up. Not sure that it's advanced the Democrats' case.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)How about Patton Oswalt to play Quigley?
BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)(if he were still alive )
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)1) You're absolutely right.
2) Holy crap, I forgot he was dead. I met him in the Atlanta airport once. Seemed like a nice guy.
BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)and had to google "1980s cop shows" to remember his name.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)but I know he's been gone for awhile (and would have been 100 next year).
madaboutharry
(40,246 posts)of Trump's crimes by these republicans is just so depressing.
polichick
(37,152 posts)mucifer
(23,624 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)Blaukraut
(5,695 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)The_Counsel
(1,661 posts)"quid pro quo," "bribery" or "extortion" that no evidence exists.
Whatever.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Repeated everything she regurgitated yesterday
Mersky
(4,986 posts)About fairness after stooping so low yesterday.
Then, after a bit stewart, went into how bush withheld aid to Pakistan, etc...
Umm, I'm pretty sure those instances withholding of aid came with real foreign policy that involved bipartisan, Congressional support.
THOSE WERE NOT FOR THE PERSONAL BENEFIT OF THE SERVING PRESIDENT. THOSE WEREN'T BRIBES TO TAKEDOWN POLITICAL OPPONENTS.
Sorry for yelling. It just isn't his money to use for muddying the election.
crickets
(25,990 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)Quoting what Drumpf said about not "knowing Sondland".
polichick
(37,152 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)Blaukraut
(5,695 posts)madaboutharry
(40,246 posts)but the other day I read it was cold in the room and that Ambassador Yovanovitch sat with a blanket on her lap.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)crickets
(25,990 posts)Sondland is weaseling on things like the definition of 'often.'
eta - Sondland's smug laugh has me ready to smack him.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)crickets
(25,990 posts)ancianita
(36,225 posts)opening written statement.
It's in writing, so it is something.
crickets
(25,990 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)ancianita
(36,225 posts)president saying he wanted nothing.
GS: Yeah, it's difficult to reconcile.
luvs2sing
(2,220 posts)And has spent the afternoon pulling them out and giving them first aid. I wonder, wonder, wonder, why...hmmmmmmmmmm?
crickets
(25,990 posts)luvs2sing
(2,220 posts)Blaukraut
(5,695 posts)When was he lying? This morning or now?
ancianita
(36,225 posts)be Pompeo, Giuliani and Mulvaney, according to afternoon testimoney. Fall guys for Trump.
Without his equivocation, Dems already have evidence now about obstruction for Pompeo, conspiracy for Giuliani, obstruction from Mulvaney, and hard evidence from Trump himself.
BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)meow2u3
(24,776 posts)nolabear
(42,004 posts)They ought to have an intern who has this down before they even try.
BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)and forcing Sondland to admit that Mulvaney would have the direct line to Drumpf as "acting chief of staff" and his saying yes it was quid pro quo and "political influence".
nolabear
(42,004 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Political rivals is inappropriate.
Really would like to insert his full, exact quote here.
BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)crickets
(25,990 posts)He really wants to come out of this smelling like a rose and it's not going to happen.
ancianita
(36,225 posts)Sondland.
madaboutharry
(40,246 posts)He did not come up through the Foreign Service, State Department, military, etc. He has no frame of reference for what a center lane even looks like. He is a dupe who was living out a pipe dream in Europe as an Ambassador. The others wanted him in on it because he wouldn't fully understand what was going on.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)... about the Biden's until the July 25 summary was released.
NOTHING ?!
BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)And Sondland just fucked up with his initial answer saying "certain conditions" were justified for foreign influence in our elections and then had to correct himself.
BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)crickets
(25,990 posts)in order to read out the list of names of people who won't testify, including Trump. Denny Heck is good.
BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)He nailed him.
Bayard
(22,237 posts)When Rep. Heck talked about Sondland's family.
BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)He hasn't banged the desk yet and voice is a bit softer but not sure how long that will last.
EDIT - someone shoved a new battery up his butt and he just got wound up.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)I can hear his squeals again.
JHB
(37,166 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,555 posts)Telnaes is a genius.
polichick
(37,152 posts)demmiblue
(36,917 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)He wanted to get the meeting in the WH
BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)crickets
(25,990 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Been reported in the media. Of course it was a topic, but that doesnt make the quid pro quo scheme some bipartisan arrangement.
CNN reported the aid holdup on Aug 30 & the meeting of Murphy and johnson with Zelensky happened on Sept 5.
BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)where "investigations" = "Bidens".
Maloney got the applause!!!! Maloney doing a GYMSUIT on him!!
polichick
(37,152 posts)elleng
(131,391 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)but he is probably more worried about going the way of Manafort.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Silence abounds
PuraVidaDreamin
(4,111 posts)Who is he and from where does he hail?
Roland99
(53,342 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)crickets
(25,990 posts)"I don't want to characterize"
"I know now, but I didn't know then"
"I understand your hypothetical"
"With 20 20 hindsight"
"Burisma not Biden"
is annoying. I am SO GLAD Maloney finally nailed him on this. He HAS NOT been forthright.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Wow.....
woodsprite
(11,941 posts)crickets
(25,990 posts)nolabear
(42,004 posts)Let's not forget he is trying to cover his ass.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)crickets
(25,990 posts)but what he really got was a potential perjury charge. Refusing to answer a question when you know the answer is as bad as making up an answer. Both answers are untrue.
Siwsan
(26,333 posts)Wow. No holds barred.
nolabear
(42,004 posts)And he's getting more self important as this goes on.
blogslut
(38,022 posts)stunning
MerryBlooms
(11,776 posts)trying to cya with all his not recalling bs.
brooklynite
(94,985 posts)crickets
(25,990 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)I hope Maloney gets more time or someone tracks back onto where he was going with that.
meow2u3
(24,776 posts)Maloney got Sundland to admit that Trump would be the one to benefit from the fabricated investigation into the Bidens.
BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)re: Ghouliani blabbing about Burisma and Hunter Biden and asking him why he wouldn't have known about that back in May vs "later".
Siwsan
(26,333 posts)Really, REALLY obvious.
BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)He's being a bullshitter this afternoon.
BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)To volley back to giuliani's Oct 14 statement to the press that Sondland was in charge of the Ukraine deal
Sondland replied, if he was in charge he would have told tRump to have the meeting without preconditions.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)I expect the newer ones are long gone.
BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)Raja just mentioned how in October praised Sondland and then a month later didn't know him.
Says his colleagues call him the "one Amigo".
nolabear
(42,004 posts)I'm beginning to think Sondland's not that bright.
Siwsan
(26,333 posts)Ego tends to be a problem. IMHO, of course.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)nolabear
(42,004 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)crickets
(25,990 posts)mucifer
(23,624 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Desperate nefarious claim Ukraine doesn't support impeachment whistleblower gave birth (to a calf) Obama no answers no hear no see no tell.
Cow had a cow, and he's done - thank goodness
Roland99
(53,342 posts)You (GS) testified that you told them of the quid pro quo
crickets
(25,990 posts)to him. This man is no poker player. He looks ticked off.
mucifer
(23,624 posts)Siwsan
(26,333 posts)And, he's out of water!
polichick
(37,152 posts)crickets
(25,990 posts)BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Ending with applause
BumRushDaShow
(130,020 posts)crickets
(25,990 posts)Well deserved!
budkin
(6,730 posts)GIVE IT UP!!!