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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:35 PM Oct 2019

It's beginning to look more like President Pelosi every day...another dirt nugget on PENCE...

The Washington Post
@washingtonpost

The president also used Pence to tell Zelensky that U.S. aid was still being withheld while demanding more aggressive action on corruption, officials said




https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-involved-pence-in-efforts-to-pressure-ukraines-leader-though-aides-say-vice-president-was-unaware-of-pursuit-of-dirt-on-bidens/2019/10/02/263aa9e2-e4a7-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html

Trump involved Pence in efforts to pressure Ukraine’s leader, though aides say vice president was unaware of pursuit of dirt on Bidens



By Greg Miller, Greg Jaffe and Ashley Parker October 2 at 5:51 PM

President Trump repeatedly involved Vice President Pence in efforts to exert pressure on the leader of Ukraine at a time when the president was using other channels to solicit information that he hoped would be damaging to a Democratic rival, current and former U.S. officials said.

Trump instructed Pence not to attend the inauguration of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in May — an event White House officials had pushed to put on the vice president’s calendar — at a time when Ukraine’s new leader was seeking recognition and support from Washington, the officials said.

Months later, the president used Pence to tell Zelensky that U.S. aid was still being withheld while demanding more aggressive action on corruption, officials said. At that time — following Trump’s July 25 phone call with Zelenksy — the Ukrainians probably understood action on corruption to include the investigation of former vice president Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden.

[‘A presidency of one’: Key federal agencies increasingly compelled to benefit Trump]

Officials close to Pence insist that he was unaware of Trump’s efforts to press Zelensky for damaging information about Biden and his son, who had served on the board of an obscure Ukrainian gas company, when his father was overseeing U.S. policy on Ukraine.
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It's beginning to look more like President Pelosi every day...another dirt nugget on PENCE... (Original Post) Miles Archer Oct 2019 OP
The best parts of this mess are yet to come - seems like a good bet. empedocles Oct 2019 #1
The Constitution does not work that way. former9thward Oct 2019 #2
Pence is knee deep in the Ukraine doo doo. nt oasis Oct 2019 #3
Mother's gonna be pissed. C_U_L8R Oct 2019 #4
You are indulging in an unConstitutional fantasy. Or is your post sarcasm? Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #5
It's sarcasm. n/t Miles Archer Oct 2019 #9
Ah, but here's a question PJMcK Oct 2019 #12
And here's the answer FBaggins Oct 2019 #15
Similarly, there is no way McCONnell would approve Pelosi & no Republicon Prez will appoint Pelosi Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #17
I'm not sure what you mean PJMcK Oct 2019 #18
Trump and Pence will not go down simultaneously & they never fly on the same plane. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #19
I know that but you wrote that McConnell would never approve a President Pelosi PJMcK Oct 2019 #20
This is probably one of the reasons she has been taking it slow and cautious. MrsCoffee Oct 2019 #6
lol Alea Oct 2019 #7
. . . Codeine Oct 2019 #8
I know. It's just a provocative thread title. n/t Miles Archer Oct 2019 #10
It's cool. I just really like that meme. Codeine Oct 2019 #11
McConnel will never see either removed via trial in senate,100% beachbumbob Oct 2019 #13
1 at a time Johnny2X2X Oct 2019 #14
So, my question is, Doreen Oct 2019 #16

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
5. You are indulging in an unConstitutional fantasy. Or is your post sarcasm?
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 06:53 PM
Oct 2019

If tRump resigns/convicted first, Pence appoints a VP.

If Pence resigns/convicted first, tRump appoints a VP.

Study up on the inter-relationship of VP Spiro T. Agnew, VP Gerald Ford, and Pres Richard Nixon.

PJMcK

(22,035 posts)
12. Ah, but here's a question
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 07:25 PM
Oct 2019

If Trump is removed or resigns and Pence becomes president, doesn’t his VP nomination have to be approved by both Houses of Congress?

There’s no way the Democratic House would approve a Pence nomination.

Unless he nominated the Speaker of the House...

FBaggins

(26,733 posts)
15. And here's the answer
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 07:30 PM
Oct 2019

There’s no way that republicans would kick Pence out (even in the fantasy world where they would vote to remove Trump) without a new VP in place.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
17. Similarly, there is no way McCONnell would approve Pelosi & no Republicon Prez will appoint Pelosi
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 08:24 AM
Oct 2019

Just not going to happen. Period.

PJMcK

(22,035 posts)
18. I'm not sure what you mean
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 08:29 AM
Oct 2019

If Trump and Pence go down, the Speaker becomes president automatically. She would not require Senate confirmation.

I believe the order of succession is automatic.

PJMcK

(22,035 posts)
20. I know that but you wrote that McConnell would never approve a President Pelosi
Thu Oct 3, 2019, 08:48 AM
Oct 2019

That's what I found confusing.

It doesn't matter since it's all speculative.

Have a great day, Bernardo!

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
6. This is probably one of the reasons she has been taking it slow and cautious.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 07:01 PM
Oct 2019

I mean, if she had come out gun ho for impeachment, it might have looked a little self serving.

Johnny2X2X

(19,061 posts)
14. 1 at a time
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 07:29 PM
Oct 2019

Trump first. No Way the Reps in the Senate context if they think a conviction means President Pelosi.

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