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Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:46 PM

"Disaster for Ukraine"

Michael MacKay
@mhmck
Disaster for Ukraine. President Zelenskyy has agreed to the 'Steinmeier Formula' which which will see Ukrainian defenders withdraw from the battlefront in Donbas and Russian invaders allowed to remain.

Zelenskyy refused to say why Ukraine is surrendering.

FGS, I can't believe it!



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Nevermypresident Oct 2019 OP
Ilsa Oct 2019 #1
Turbineguy Oct 2019 #2
dewsgirl Oct 2019 #3
Duppers Oct 2019 #12
volstork Oct 2019 #4
UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #5
Maru Kitteh Oct 2019 #6
denbot Oct 2019 #7
ooky Oct 2019 #8
Nevermypresident Oct 2019 #10
NCLefty Oct 2019 #9
maxsolomon Oct 2019 #11

Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:48 PM

1. I know. WTF?

WTActualF? How did trump force them to do this? Did trumputin threaten to poison his kids?

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:01 PM

2. Gee.....

another guy fucked over by trump?

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:22 PM

3. I feel awful for Ukraine and Zelensky.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 05:24 PM

12. Same here. Americans should be outraged!

It's doubtful that most Americans have any idea of what's happened and how horrible it is.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:32 PM

4. Trump probably threatened him.

He (Zelenskyy) looked terrified at that presser last week.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:41 PM

5. I wonder what the Ukrainian people think of this. nt

 

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Tue Oct 1, 2019, 10:45 PM

6. Who knew electing a comedian could backfire so badly.



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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:13 AM

7. I would blame our fuckup, berfore any of his..

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:51 AM

8. Its all coming together now, making more sense.

Trump has been working to deliver Crimea and Eastern Ukraine to Putin, at the same time bringing an end to the sanctions. This miserable fuck has used his presidency to put the interests of Putin above his own country and its allies. He is the ultimate traitor, the worst in the history of our country.

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Response to ooky (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:27 PM

10. I'm with you on your assessment. I also believe trump/putin and maybe Zelenskyy knew in advance

Zelenskyy was going to cave. I read that allegedly putin and Zelenskyy had a private mtg. very recently and note what seemed to be an outrageous remark trump made to Zelenskyy last week regarding "working with" putin.

Emphatically agree also that trump is the most corrupt traitor ever occupying the White House.


How Trump’s Response to the Ukraine Scandal Helped Russia"
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/09/trump-response-ukraine-russia-zelensky-putin/
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This memo (trump/Zelenskyy call), Fedchenko notes, can be cited by pro-Russia propagandists to show that “Trump won’t really do anything to protect Ukraine,” and Zelensky’s remarks about Germany and France can be used by pro-Russia elements to contend that Europe won’t be a stalwart defender of Ukraine in its conflict with Russia. “This material is useful for Russia propaganda,” Fedchenko says. “You can recycle it and say that now Ukraine is corrupting the US system and portray the Ukrainian government as an incompetent state and deny the agency of Ukraine. You can say it’s completely dependent on the US position.”

Fedchenko is the director of the Mohyla School of Journalism at National University of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy and a founder of the StopFake.org fact-checking website, which combats Russian disinformation about Ukraine.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 02:55 AM

9. They can't beat Russia without strong help from the west. And they don't have it.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:40 PM

11. BUT THE JAVELINS

I'd imagine the dude had little choice. Oligarchs want it over so they can get back to grifting.

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