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BREAKING: Unanimous consent in Senate just passed... no Republican objections.... (Original Post) scheming daemons Sep 2019 OP
Link? Source? MFGsunny Sep 2019 #1
Updated OP scheming daemons Sep 2019 #5
TYVM! N/T MFGsunny Sep 2019 #22
TYVM? PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2019 #56
You're hilarious. Thank You Very Much. How about that???????? n/t MFGsunny Sep 2019 #101
Naahhh. Gotta be Thank You Virgin Mary. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2019 #103
She's a virgin customerserviceguy Sep 2019 #105
I was trying to figure out what PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2019 #107
It was an honest error! n/t customerserviceguy Sep 2019 #108
And for a former Catholic, PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2019 #109
LOL! lunatica Sep 2019 #131
Well, that explains customerserviceguy Sep 2019 #146
That would be TYBVM. tclambert Sep 2019 #111
D'OH! PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2019 #123
What is TYBM? coeur_de_lion Sep 2019 #138
If you've been plugged up for a week, skamaria Sep 2019 #151
Saw it on C-Span. George II Sep 2019 #29
What was this for? snowybirdie Sep 2019 #2
Updated OP scheming daemons Sep 2019 #6
Which must mean the obfuscation and trickery is afoot. nt woodsprite Sep 2019 #3
Exactly. zentrum Sep 2019 #10
Not necessarily FakeNoose Sep 2019 #64
Assuming the whistleblower isn't assisted suicided. cstanleytech Sep 2019 #69
Not gonna happen FakeNoose Sep 2019 #70
As well protected as Jeffrey Epstein? cstanleytech Sep 2019 #86
I hope so, epstein was a criminal, the whistleblower is an American hero AlexSFCA Sep 2019 #94
With this vote they all said they were "for" lame54 Sep 2019 #110
It's also the case that the sooner they agree to get it, Volaris Sep 2019 #114
Nailed it! arthritisR_US Sep 2019 #132
The Con already admitted that he withheld Congressionally approved funds for malaise Sep 2019 #135
they will go with a doctored/redacted transcript vs a 'partisan' whistleblower working for certainot Sep 2019 #118
It worked so well with Barrs summary of the Mueller report. hot2na Sep 2019 #148
here's an eg of limbaugh pushing the pretex for the whole biden/ukraine thing going back to june certainot Sep 2019 #149
Agree. McTurtle didn't want any Republiscum to vote no, now that he's lost the battle. machoneman Sep 2019 #120
Wake me up, I'm dreaming. WHY is this happening? Have the republicans Mike 03 Sep 2019 #4
No. Something must be amiss. Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #87
My money is on this. warmfeet Sep 2019 #100
Yes - my money is on them thinking they can discredit the whistleblower ehrnst Sep 2019 #142
Did u see LO or Rachel last night? It was Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #144
No - I don't have cable. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #145
Holy Shit! Kaleva Sep 2019 #7
Something smells. defacto7 Sep 2019 #8
No GOP senator wants to be part of the story today.... scheming daemons Sep 2019 #12
I think this might be the answer. n/t ms liberty Sep 2019 #57
Yeah, what do they know that makes them suddenly so agreeable and easy to get along with? NBachers Sep 2019 #71
Assface pulled this caper all by himself (maybe Pence). Cracklin Charlie Sep 2019 #95
I think that the WH will release it, and has talking points ready to discredit the whistleblower ehrnst Sep 2019 #141
I agree that's what the WH and Senate plan stopdiggin Sep 2019 #153
They will not even try to - just like they never tried to "sell" Kavanaugh sexually assaulting ehrnst Sep 2019 #157
I agree. that's cetainly the game plan stopdiggin Sep 2019 #159
One of two things Buckeyeblue Sep 2019 #9
I don't think it can be nothing coeur_de_lion Sep 2019 #97
You left someone out. ehrnst Sep 2019 #158
McConnell doing the right thing ? ritapria Sep 2019 #11
He's doing the self-preservation thing. scheming daemons Sep 2019 #13
+1 n/t MFGsunny Sep 2019 #23
Or he knows this is bait/a nothingburger. AtheistCrusader Sep 2019 #43
thats what I think it is SlogginThroughIt Sep 2019 #45
I think that too. Vdizzle Sep 2019 #49
Can't be, Trump admitted on TV the basis of collusion with Ukraine. uponit7771 Sep 2019 #62
Obviously I hope that's the case AtheistCrusader Sep 2019 #133
I was under the impression that all of the court cases will now be expedited Arazi Sep 2019 #93
They wont be, impeachment process doesn't compel judicial branch to hurry on anything and uponit7771 Sep 2019 #134
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2019 #61
+1 ffr Sep 2019 #50
Color me suspicious peggysue2 Sep 2019 #14
No GOP senator wants to be part of the story today.... scheming daemons Sep 2019 #16
Possible peggysue2 Sep 2019 #20
That's an understandable feeling. scheming daemons Sep 2019 #21
Your lips to God's ear, scheming daemons peggysue2 Sep 2019 #25
A whole hell of a lot more than the "past 3 years". The greedy old party has been evil since erronis Sep 2019 #31
The transcript has been edited, and they think its release will stop the whistle blower's testimony. athena Sep 2019 #24
That's what I'm afraid of peggysue2 Sep 2019 #35
This is about the entire whistleblower complaint. Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #37
Exactly, Mr. Bill peggysue2 Sep 2019 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author athena Sep 2019 #52
and more. if I might add .. stopdiggin Sep 2019 #154
Exactly. Well stated. n/t Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #155
The whistleblower has made contact with Schiff apparently, and wants to testify. OnDoutside Sep 2019 #46
Really? Be nice if that were happening. FailureToCommunicate Sep 2019 #66
You think Rep. Schiff is lying? Why? ehrnst Sep 2019 #143
Of course I don't think he's lying. There was no link, and, news was breaking fast, so FailureToCommunicate Sep 2019 #161
It could be a setup. But it also opens up the whole impeachment process that will overtake it. ancianita Sep 2019 #28
me too, not trusting how easy this went when they are fighting tooth and nail on everything else nt yaesu Sep 2019 #42
Elections make funny bedfellows n/t gelsdorf Sep 2019 #15
Oh, my. Now what? Putin's mitch has to know what's in it. Hortensis Sep 2019 #17
Which why he didn't want to block it.... he is in self-preservation mode. scheming daemons Sep 2019 #19
Wow if that should mean Trump under the bus, instead of Hortensis Sep 2019 #48
And wouldn't they all be pleased as punch luvtheGWN Sep 2019 #60
Slipping into Rats/Ship mode shortly JCMach1 Sep 2019 #18
Absolutely Danascot Sep 2019 #73
Republican, Washington elites will bail to save careers JCMach1 Sep 2019 #122
I am so confused. I guess since things are happening so quickly, we will know the facts soon. Glimmer of Hope Sep 2019 #26
Just one quick edit by Barr and it's all yours world wide wally Sep 2019 #27
Exactly stuffmatters Sep 2019 #34
👍🏼 uponit7771 Sep 2019 #63
Wow. SunSeeker Sep 2019 #30
let's all grandpamike1 Sep 2019 #32
If there is "nothing there" Scarsdale Sep 2019 #91
they could have all voted to release The Mueller Report for all the nothing it did TeamPooka Sep 2019 #33
We haven't seen the Mueller report. Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #39
What a day! BluNoMatterHu Sep 2019 #36
Welcome to DU! panader0 Sep 2019 #53
You know, they may be considering the consequences of a real impeachment investigation. Kablooie Sep 2019 #38
The Impeachment inquiry is on! True Blue American Sep 2019 #41
I don't know what to believe anymore. Delmette2.0 Sep 2019 #40
maybe it will be like watergate barbtries Sep 2019 #44
I do not trust this for some reason obamanut2012 Sep 2019 #51
Yes, their sudden acquiescence makes me quite apprehensive. NBachers Sep 2019 #72
Well this one phone transcript is not the it we need for sure Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #92
This is what will happen (my prediction) Dr Vegas Sep 2019 #54
You've left out one very important detail: Totally Tunsie Sep 2019 #85
Right you are Dr Vegas Sep 2019 #99
Also keep in mind thet the new VP Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #156
something like that is likely. they have a way out, or the gop wouldn't be as silent nt wiggs Sep 2019 #98
Rats know when a ship is sinking. EllieBC Sep 2019 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #78
Call me a cynic but SayItLoud Sep 2019 #58
The whistle blower's attorney MontanaMama Sep 2019 #82
I'm sure that they have 2. in order now. ehrnst Sep 2019 #147
I wonder if they think they can smear Biden with this? intrepidity Sep 2019 #59
I doubt it - even Chump couldn't smear him FakeNoose Sep 2019 #68
Agree, if not that they have some ulterior motive Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #84
Reptilicans already are. PBS Newshour tonite: Rep. Andy Harris (MD) spinning on his wheel sprinkleeninow Sep 2019 #126
Non-binding resolution to turn it over to Senate Intelligence committee Pacifist Patriot Sep 2019 #65
What does non binding mean here? OldRed2450 Sep 2019 #75
I wish I knew. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2019 #83
Well, hopefully this at least OldRed2450 Sep 2019 #90
welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2019 #102
Thank you. OldRed2450 Sep 2019 #104
you're welcome hope you enjoy this group gopiscrap Sep 2019 #106
Here's the definition: Rhiannon12866 Sep 2019 #128
Senate Rs know this is serious, DeminPennswoods Sep 2019 #67
I'm not seeing this in print anywhere. Thanks. NT TidalWave46 Sep 2019 #74
Well Todd had Michael Bennet on a bit ago and he confirmed jcgoldie Sep 2019 #77
I just found it on Schumer's twitter page. TidalWave46 Sep 2019 #80
We can't let Republican senators get away with the "if we'd only had known" excuse either LiberalLovinLug Sep 2019 #76
New theory of mine: MoscowMitch has an informant in the WH who knows ecstatic Sep 2019 #79
Because it was NON BINDING !! flying-skeleton Sep 2019 #81
I'm surprised the conservanazis didn't object. TxVietVet Sep 2019 #88
The same people who called Mueller a traitor before he even released his report Mr. Ected Sep 2019 #89
Unless.... moonseller66 Sep 2019 #96
This is the mere appearance of cooperation and fealty to the Constitution bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #112
Unanimous non-binding show vote. BlueIdaho Sep 2019 #113
Maybe they want Trump to be impeached and convicted so they can run Pence, or someone else. nt coti Sep 2019 #115
Trump is toast Groundhawg Sep 2019 #116
America doesn't need just Trump gone. The whole GOP is culpable in... Beartracks Sep 2019 #119
It has started. Nitram Sep 2019 #117
How could they object rufus dog Sep 2019 #121
Yeah, don't expect it to be released without Sharpie scribble all over it W T F Sep 2019 #124
I heard he placed an order with Amazon Prime for a case of these woodsprite Sep 2019 #127
That's great, but I'm much more interested in hearing from actual whistle blower. I don't trust... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2019 #125
Hmmm Lotusflower70 Sep 2019 #129
Something smells demosincebirth Sep 2019 #130
GOP will cooperate on a rule of law bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #136
The Republicans want to be able and try and take control of the impeachment narrative in the Senate RAB910 Sep 2019 #137
non binding. meaningless. spanone Sep 2019 #139
The GOP Senate never votes in any way that they think will harm DOTUS ehrnst Sep 2019 #140
Maybe GOP is ecstatic about it, feeling Dems have overplayed bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #150
What the hell are they up to? coeur_de_lion Sep 2019 #152
Hopefully, they want to push him out fast and find a "semi-sane" nominee. MasonDreams Sep 2019 #160

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,858 posts)
107. I was trying to figure out what
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 07:42 PM
Sep 2019

MFGsunny meant by TYVM in post 22.

Just chalk it up to my being clueless about a lot of things.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
64. Not necessarily
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:44 PM
Sep 2019

Moscow Mitch did this because he wanted to limit any discussion on the Senate floor. By hotlisting the vote, the Repukes just ram through their approval without anyone having go on record as "for" or "against."

This just means the whistleblower's report gets turned over to the House Intelligence Committee. I'm pretty sure Moscow Mitch already knows that the whistleblower himself/herself will be testifying in person as soon as next week. He probably didn't see any point in delaying the report from being released. We shall see.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
70. Not gonna happen
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:59 PM
Sep 2019

He or she is well-protected and has legal representation. I believe the House committee will take extraordinary steps to protect his/her identity. I'm sure the testimony will be given closed-door, or maybe they'll teleconference, or something else.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
114. It's also the case that the sooner they agree to get it,
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 10:24 PM
Sep 2019

The sooner they can assess the damage, and decide how to spin it..

It's bad, but we can argue our position...

It's bad, we have to be very careful who says what during the campaign..

It's bad, we will probably have to convict our own president; LOOK, WE SAVED THE REPUBLIC ARENT WE HEROS?!

It's bad, we will have to vote to convict our own president, and even then we will have to hire our own lawyers to keep us out of prison for taking the dirty russian mob money that he laundered through the NRA.

malaise

(269,008 posts)
135. The Con already admitted that he withheld Congressionally approved funds for
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 06:18 AM
Sep 2019

the Ukraine for political reasons -to do damage to an opponent - that is the crime.
The Con and Rudy thought this was business as usual and have already incriminated themselves.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
118. they will go with a doctored/redacted transcript vs a 'partisan' whistleblower working for
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 11:06 PM
Sep 2019

the obama clinton soros deep state coup

i will bet the 'transcript' will be released just before the limbaugh show starts at 12EST and at that time limbaugh will have it completely analyzed as proof that it vindicates trump, nothing to see here. just like the barr press conference on the mueller report. it worked then and on many other occasions, why not try it again? as long as dems continue to ignore the right's best weapon why not keep using it?

hot2na

(358 posts)
148. It worked so well with Barrs summary of the Mueller report.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 10:35 AM
Sep 2019

The media was all too eager to swallow it whole. I think calls for a transcript were a mistake. Haven't we learned the lesson that you cannot trust anything coming from the Whitehouse or Barr's justice dept.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
149. here's an eg of limbaugh pushing the pretex for the whole biden/ukraine thing going back to june
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 11:08 AM
Sep 2019

the problem is dems ignorance of talk radio, that buzz has a lot to do with msm momentum/parameters/framing

How You Know It’s All Over for Joe Biden
posted by Premiere Networks - Jun 20, 2019

news.iheart.com/...

RUSH: That's it, folks. If ABC News is going after the Hunter Biden-ChiCom-Ukraine scandal, it's over. Somebody in the Democrat-media complex has decided it's time to take Plugs out. Don't know the specific reason. We've been talking about these deals. Conservative media has educated their audiences on all of this China, Ukraine, Joe Biden setting his sons up to become obscenely wealthy. Nobody was interested. Now, all of a sudden, out of the clear blue... It's not in the clear blue.
trump is the talk radio president. the gop is the talk radio party. it’s the party of limbaugh now.

dems have a huge opportunity to apply artificial intelligence to talk radio and force the ad industry to finally apply market forces to the rw radio monopoly and destroy it.

machoneman

(4,007 posts)
120. Agree. McTurtle didn't want any Republiscum to vote no, now that he's lost the battle.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 11:12 PM
Sep 2019

The Turtleman just threw Trumpboy under the bus!

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
142. Yes - my money is on them thinking they can discredit the whistleblower
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 09:16 AM
Sep 2019

Trump's already started.

This way the GOP Senators can say that they wanted the "truth" to come out about his nefarious enemies in the "Deep State."

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
144. Did u see LO or Rachel last night? It was
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 09:21 AM
Sep 2019

A whirlwind day...but think it was Mike Schmidt NYT? who said exactly that. That trump and GOP decided to just go with the flow and spin. Bad but not too bad. Trash the WB, say Dems overstepped on this, all legit within dip's powers, etc etc

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
12. No GOP senator wants to be part of the story today....
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 04:38 PM
Sep 2019

....and any of them that objected to unanimous consent would be giving their opponent a campaign ad.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
95. Assface pulled this caper all by himself (maybe Pence).
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 07:24 PM
Sep 2019

They are not implicated. This is their chance to throw him into the fan, and possibly escape blowback.

That’s my take.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
141. I think that the WH will release it, and has talking points ready to discredit the whistleblower
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 09:13 AM
Sep 2019

that base will easily swallow.

That way they can say they went along with the Dems because they wanted the "truth" to come out and "prove" that DT wasn't guilty of anything.



stopdiggin

(11,312 posts)
153. I agree that's what the WH and Senate plan
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 01:44 PM
Sep 2019

the question is, can they sell a story where it's OK for POTUS to employ appropriated funds (to a critical and strategic ally) in a smear campaign against a political opponent? That's a big one to swallow. (although, given the times ...)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
157. They will not even try to - just like they never tried to "sell" Kavanaugh sexually assaulting
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 02:17 PM
Sep 2019

someone in high school. They attacked the victim's credibility, and confirmation bias took over in his supporters.

They will focus their attacks on the credibility of the whistleblower - RW twitter is repeating "the whistleblower wasn't even on the call" talking point as we speak.

They will focus on the memo, like they did the Mueller report memo, as the "real" document.

They will convince their followers that it's more 'Deep State' treachery in collusion with the Democrats.

stopdiggin

(11,312 posts)
159. I agree. that's cetainly the game plan
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 02:32 PM
Sep 2019

on the other hand .. not everyone out there is "dumb as a stump."

got to be a few people out there wearing uniform (or former) saying, "Hey, wait a fu**ing second .. this guy is using strategic military aid .. to someone who's on the front lines against the Russians .. and somehow all of that is subservient to dicking around with Joe Biden's son??? Screw THAT!"

(but then .. I'm inflicted by occasional bouts of optimism. they say there's pills, but ...)

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
9. One of two things
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 04:36 PM
Sep 2019

1. He read it and thinks it's all about nothing
2. He read it and thinks this is something that can finally be Trumps undoing.

I still say, in my novel of this, Nancy and Moscow Mitch have private meetings over bourbon. Moscow Mitch says, you'll get your chance. But I'll tell you when.

coeur_de_lion

(3,676 posts)
97. I don't think it can be nothing
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 07:26 PM
Sep 2019

Pelosi would not announce formal impeachment over nothing. She's too smart for that.

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
45. thats what I think it is
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:20 PM
Sep 2019

We were cruising along with investigations into all sorts of things then we stopped for this. We were given a red herring and we jumped at it.

Vdizzle

(383 posts)
49. I think that too.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:29 PM
Sep 2019

It was too easy. I wouldn’t be surprised if the whistleblower is in on it too. Planned all along to lead the dems down the path of impeachment, then the whistleblowers allegations turn out to be made up or false and tRump is exonerated. Then all the Repubs can point to this in the future anytime they are accused of wrongdoing and call it fake news just like that “whistleblower”. It will sew doubt about anything the prez is accused of.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
133. Obviously I hope that's the case
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 02:16 AM
Sep 2019

but I smell a rat.

That said, we have to do something. Can't keep letting things slide.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
93. I was under the impression that all of the court cases will now be expedited
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 07:18 PM
Sep 2019

Now that there's a full on investigation, the court cases get expedited, witnesses cant refuse to testify, evidence must be turned over etc.

I don't remember where I read that but the House now has real teeth and claws to get what they need

uponit7771

(90,344 posts)
134. They wont be, impeachment process doesn't compel judicial branch to hurry on anything and
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 05:54 AM
Sep 2019

... doesn't compel witness's to answer subpoenas or speak to congress.

It's been a false narrative that impeachment process brings anything special in regards to investigating than other process's.

Democrats can work with judicial branch to compel witness's to respond to subpoenas but the judges don't have to hurry for that either.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
50. +1
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:32 PM
Sep 2019
Shit must be getting real about now, even for all of the stonewalling repukes. That or the DNI info and this whole bribery scandal is bogus.

On the edge of my seat!

peggysue2

(10,829 posts)
14. Color me suspicious
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 04:39 PM
Sep 2019

Why, oh why are Republicans compliant? Either they realize how bad this is and how their own rear ends are on the line. OR this is some dirty political trick to smear Democrats with a surprise nothingburger and/or a refusal from the sitting DNI to release, something that's already been telegraphed.

I sincerely hope it's not the latter.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
16. No GOP senator wants to be part of the story today....
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 04:40 PM
Sep 2019

... If any of them posted the objection, *THEY* become part of the story and create a campaign ad for their opponents.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
21. That's an understandable feeling.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 04:44 PM
Sep 2019

Given the events of the past 3 years.


But I think this is a good thing.

peggysue2

(10,829 posts)
25. Your lips to God's ear, scheming daemons
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 04:49 PM
Sep 2019

I think we all need relief from the on-going madness. Not to mention seeing some justice done to this continuous horror show.

It's way over-due for a very good thing to come our way.

erronis

(15,273 posts)
31. A whole hell of a lot more than the "past 3 years". The greedy old party has been evil since
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 04:54 PM
Sep 2019

somewhere during/after the "reconstruction". They stole the evil from the southern dems and took it to a new much lower level.

Roll over, Abe.

athena

(4,187 posts)
24. The transcript has been edited, and they think its release will stop the whistle blower's testimony.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 04:47 PM
Sep 2019

But Pelosi knew this would happen, so all the Democrats have been saying that the whistle blower's testimony is more important than the transcript.

peggysue2

(10,829 posts)
35. That's what I'm afraid of
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 04:58 PM
Sep 2019

We have Sharpie-gate as a reminder. We need the whistleblower in the flesh or a recording of the call itself. Trump and his cronies are completely unreliable. And you're right, Pelosi has stressed the testimony is more important than the transcript. There were reportedly 'multiple' offenses. We need to hear about all of them, up close and personal.

Mr.Bill

(24,294 posts)
37. This is about the entire whistleblower complaint.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 04:59 PM
Sep 2019

It more than just the transcript of one phone call.

peggysue2

(10,829 posts)
47. Exactly, Mr. Bill
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:25 PM
Sep 2019

Trump and his enablers will do everything to deflect and obfuscate. As they have from the very beginning starting with the 2016 election. The process has formally begun, a full-blown impeachment inquiry. Full complaint, full investigation with the clout of the official announcement backing it up. Multiple offenses on this one? We need to hear all of it.

Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #37)

stopdiggin

(11,312 posts)
154. and more. if I might add ..
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 02:03 PM
Sep 2019

the whole Ukrainian con is about deep corruption .. and most likely criminal action. And it involved not only the president and the WH .. but also drew in State, Justice and quite possibly elements of intelligence and security. A lot of people were aware of this, and now have to figure out how to explain how bribing a foreign government to interfere in domestic politics (and yet another US election) .. is somehow okay. We're all waiting.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
161. Of course I don't think he's lying. There was no link, and, news was breaking fast, so
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 08:38 PM
Sep 2019

i was expressing skepticism.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
28. It could be a setup. But it also opens up the whole impeachment process that will overtake it.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 04:51 PM
Sep 2019

It could be that the senators know that they can not be named on any roll of obstructors in the impeachment process, or their own positions would be in jeopardy.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
42. me too, not trusting how easy this went when they are fighting tooth and nail on everything else nt
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:13 PM
Sep 2019

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
48. Wow if that should mean Trump under the bus, instead of
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:26 PM
Sep 2019

Trump the flotation device. But never to trust him for a moment. He intends to come out of this with congress and the WH in Republican/Kleptocrat control.

We live in interesting times!

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
60. And wouldn't they all be pleased as punch
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:41 PM
Sep 2019

to see Trump impeached and Pence installed as President? I do believe so.

Danascot

(4,690 posts)
73. Absolutely
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 06:11 PM
Sep 2019

I believe a lot of the RW/GOP will run for the exits, starting now and he'll bleed most of his support as things proceed in the coming weeks. Of course there will be a radical core that will never abandon him but they're marginal (albeit they have guns).

grandpamike1

(193 posts)
32. let's all
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 04:55 PM
Sep 2019

take a deep breath, and remember that the Mueller report was supposed to be the smoking gun, turned out Barr had other ideas, so let's wait and see if the truth comes out, before celebrating.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
91. If there is "nothing there"
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 07:12 PM
Sep 2019

then why have they been refusing to release the whistleblower report in its' entirety? Maybe there is more than just one item there, and tRump's goose is cooked? (Wishful thinking?)

TeamPooka

(24,227 posts)
33. they could have all voted to release The Mueller Report for all the nothing it did
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 04:56 PM
Sep 2019

maybe they are going with that theory for this.

Mr.Bill

(24,294 posts)
39. We haven't seen the Mueller report.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:07 PM
Sep 2019

We have seen the redacted Mueller report.

I hope that's not what's going to happen here, but it wouldn't surprise me. After all, why wouldn't they redact it if they got away with it before?

BluNoMatterHu

(31 posts)
36. What a day!
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 04:59 PM
Sep 2019

Feels weird reading about Senate Republicans doing the right thing. Of course, it's all about their own self-preservation but hey, I'll take it!

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
38. You know, they may be considering the consequences of a real impeachment investigation.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:05 PM
Sep 2019

The public was not for Nixon impeachment at the beginning of the investigation but by the end most of the public had flipped so the Republicans turned on him.

If Republicans vote to block a legitimate, legal request but it still leaks out and later the public turns on Trump, they could be in trouble.
I've been wondering that if a real, public investigation takes place, it might turn some minds.

Most Fox News Republicans have not even heard of most of Trump's scandals. They've been shielded from the truth.
A public investigation would make in nearly impossible for them not to know and that might begin to shift the balance.

I don't count on it but I think it's a possibility.

barbtries

(28,795 posts)
44. maybe it will be like watergate
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:18 PM
Sep 2019

and republicans will suddenly turn and uphold the rule of law. i'm not holding my breath though.

Dr Vegas

(456 posts)
54. This is what will happen (my prediction)
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:37 PM
Sep 2019

Trump will resign but state that's for HEALTH reasons, Pence becomes President.
Nikki Haley will become VP, Pence will play the victim and suggest that it's is time for the Nation to heal

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
85. You've left out one very important detail:
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 06:41 PM
Sep 2019

Last edited Tue Sep 24, 2019, 08:58 PM - Edit history (1)

If/When Pencie becomes president under these circumstances, his FIRST action will be to pardon Chump and set him free of federal charges.

EllieBC

(3,014 posts)
55. Rats know when a ship is sinking.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:38 PM
Sep 2019

They’ll be in a hurry to get off and try to pretend these trump years never happened.

Response to EllieBC (Reply #55)

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
58. Call me a cynic but
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:39 PM
Sep 2019

1. The rePUBS obviously know something more then the Dems.

2. Based on the knowledge have a spin strategy, deep state talking points, and personal and political attacks ready for the document and the whistle blower.

How could anyone believe they actually want to support a release other wise?

Just sayin...

MontanaMama

(23,317 posts)
82. The whistle blower's attorney
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 06:31 PM
Sep 2019

contacted Adam Schiff about coming forward to give a statement and Schiff has reached out to the Acting DNI on how to get it done. It appears that the complaint is coming out regardless of what the GOP supports.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
147. I'm sure that they have 2. in order now.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 10:29 AM
Sep 2019

That way the GOP Senators can say that they "wanted the truth to come out which would exonerate POTUS, and show just how desperate Democrats are" which of course will be swallowed whole by the GOP base.

intrepidity

(7,302 posts)
59. I wonder if they think they can smear Biden with this?
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:40 PM
Sep 2019

Hard to come up with whatever their ulterior motive is. We'll know soon enough.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
68. I doubt it - even Chump couldn't smear him
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:53 PM
Sep 2019

As crazy and deluded as Chump is, even he couldn't find anything in the Ukraine proceedings (from 5 years ago) to smear Hunter/Joe Biden with. That's why Chump and Rudy G. were telling the President of Ukraine to make something up - anything.

It's going to be so easy to prove that Chump broke multiple laws BIG time. He cannot weasel out of this, as I'm sure Moscow Mitch can already see. Sooner or later the Repukes are going to abandon Chump, it's their only play.

sprinkleeninow

(20,249 posts)
126. Reptilicans already are. PBS Newshour tonite: Rep. Andy Harris (MD) spinning on his wheel
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:37 AM
Sep 2019

of fabrications.

 

OldRed2450

(710 posts)
75. What does non binding mean here?
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 06:17 PM
Sep 2019

I'm sorry to bother you. I'm new to politics and hope you go easy on me for not knowing.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
83. I wish I knew.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 06:33 PM
Sep 2019

I'm not entirely certain either, but anything with that terminology leaves me skeptical. I suspect there are no legal "teeth" involved, i.e. no real consequences for non-compliance like contempt of Congress charges. It's a "show vote."

Sorry I can't be more help. Wish I had legal or procedural specifics to give you beyond this.

Rhiannon12866

(205,405 posts)
128. Here's the definition:
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 01:14 AM
Sep 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-binding_resolution

A non-binding resolution is a written motion adopted by a deliberative body that cannot progress into a law. The substance of the resolution can be anything that can normally be proposed as a motion.

This type of resolution is often used to express the body's approval or disapproval of something that they cannot otherwise vote on,[1] due to the matter being handled by another jurisdiction, or being protected by a constitution. An example would be a resolution of support for a nation's troops in battle, which carries no legal weight, but is adopted for moral support.



DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
67. Senate Rs know this is serious,
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 05:52 PM
Sep 2019

I'd guess this is McConnell's first attempt to head things and to try to calm the waters. I suspect the Rs know, unlike Russia, this is an easy to explain and understand scandal.

 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
80. I just found it on Schumer's twitter page.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 06:28 PM
Sep 2019

While it did happen just over an hour ago, I thought it would be a headline somewhere.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
76. We can't let Republican senators get away with the "if we'd only had known" excuse either
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 06:18 PM
Sep 2019

I'm thinking that even though Republicans have such a bad moral compass that they'd prefer to continue to let Donald slide....as long as he is helping to pass RW legislation, and dismantle everything Obama had done, I predict that there will be a tipping point, during the impeachment when the evidence is overwhelming, where even McConnell and Graham will issue statements along the lines of "Golly gee, we had no idea....if only we had known..." And vote to impeach. With the hopes of pretending they are sorry, and that with Pence in his place, all is back to normal, honest, governing. Everything is better now. Nothing to see here anymore. Move along.

ecstatic

(32,705 posts)
79. New theory of mine: MoscowMitch has an informant in the WH who knows
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 06:25 PM
Sep 2019

what's really going on. The informant probably told MM that it's really really bad and time to jump ship.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
89. The same people who called Mueller a traitor before he even released his report
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 07:02 PM
Sep 2019

Will say that this is partisan Trump hatemongering by leeberals and the mainstream media and that the will of the people will not be undermined by this apparent coup, not on their watch. They will use words and straw men to build a case against the Dems, not as the opponent politically but as the enemy of the every soul of the red hat gang and of America itself. Man is this going to get ugly. We haven't seen anything yet.

No doubt, of course, we have to do this, we absolutely have to do it, as the Constitution itself is on trial right now. If the Constitution cannot withstand the lawless seizure of our government by a group posing as Republicans, and signed sealed and delivered at the podium and in the church halls and on every AM radio and TV in the country in the form of a bait and switch, empty mantra propaganda spewathon, resulting in misinformed and pissed off vigilantes, well, the exquisitely-designed safeguards against a government takeover will have failed, and so will have the USA. It can't go that way. It just can't.

Right?

moonseller66

(430 posts)
96. Unless....
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 07:25 PM
Sep 2019

this is all a piece of STephen Miller BS set up to make the Democrats look foolish. Wouldn't put it past them, especially with the Turtle's and Repub's help!

Reichstag fire 2019?

bucolic_frolic

(43,170 posts)
112. This is the mere appearance of cooperation and fealty to the Constitution
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 08:53 PM
Sep 2019

Just wait for them to close it all down

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
113. Unanimous non-binding show vote.
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 10:20 PM
Sep 2019

It means nothing, but it does provide those bastards some political cover.

Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
119. America doesn't need just Trump gone. The whole GOP is culpable in...
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 11:12 PM
Sep 2019

... the country's current state of affairs and in the rise, and coddling, of Trump.

========

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
121. How could they object
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 11:23 PM
Sep 2019

The law is clear, DNI SHALL turnover ....

Objecting would be objecting to a clearly defined law. Repukes had no choice but to shut the hell up in this case.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
125. That's great, but I'm much more interested in hearing from actual whistle blower. I don't trust...
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:24 AM
Sep 2019

the GOP's intent here. They went along with this because they know something we don't. IMHO.

RAB910

(3,501 posts)
137. The Republicans want to be able and try and take control of the impeachment narrative in the Senate
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 08:23 AM
Sep 2019

They control things there and they can use that control to protect their criminal/treasonous President

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
140. The GOP Senate never votes in any way that they think will harm DOTUS
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 09:08 AM
Sep 2019

Trump sez he will turn over the transcript.

I think the GOP has some talking points prepared that will spin it in a way that his constituents can repeat and convince themselves that it's just another "witch hunt."

bucolic_frolic

(43,170 posts)
150. Maybe GOP is ecstatic about it, feeling Dems have overplayed
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 11:19 AM
Sep 2019

or maybe the whistleblower is a Rod Rosenstein and we've been handed a dead end,

or maybe Mitch is glad to get it out in the open now instead of June 2020.

Who knows. It is what it is, let's make the most of it, just like they will.

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