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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBREAKING: Unanimous consent in Senate just passed... no Republican objections....
....now we'll see if the acting DNI releases it to congress.
Link to tweet
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,858 posts)Thank you Virgin Mary?
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,858 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Thank her for what?
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,858 posts)MFGsunny meant by TYVM in post 22.
Just chalk it up to my being clueless about a lot of things.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,858 posts)a very logical one.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Youre going to hell!
So am I for laughing!
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)this handbasket I'm sitting in...
tclambert
(11,086 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,858 posts)Of course! How could I possibly have gotten that wrong??!!
coeur_de_lion
(3,676 posts)skamaria
(329 posts)and the Metamucil kicks in
George II
(67,782 posts)snowybirdie
(5,227 posts)Link?
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)woodsprite
(11,915 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)Moscow Mitch did this because he wanted to limit any discussion on the Senate floor. By hotlisting the vote, the Repukes just ram through their approval without anyone having go on record as "for" or "against."
This just means the whistleblower's report gets turned over to the House Intelligence Committee. I'm pretty sure Moscow Mitch already knows that the whistleblower himself/herself will be testifying in person as soon as next week. He probably didn't see any point in delaying the report from being released. We shall see.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)He or she is well-protected and has legal representation. I believe the House committee will take extraordinary steps to protect his/her identity. I'm sure the testimony will be given closed-door, or maybe they'll teleconference, or something else.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)lame54
(35,290 posts)Volaris
(10,271 posts)The sooner they can assess the damage, and decide how to spin it..
It's bad, but we can argue our position...
It's bad, we have to be very careful who says what during the campaign..
It's bad, we will probably have to convict our own president; LOOK, WE SAVED THE REPUBLIC ARENT WE HEROS?!
It's bad, we will have to vote to convict our own president, and even then we will have to hire our own lawyers to keep us out of prison for taking the dirty russian mob money that he laundered through the NRA.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)malaise
(269,008 posts)the Ukraine for political reasons -to do damage to an opponent - that is the crime.
The Con and Rudy thought this was business as usual and have already incriminated themselves.
certainot
(9,090 posts)the obama clinton soros deep state coup
i will bet the 'transcript' will be released just before the limbaugh show starts at 12EST and at that time limbaugh will have it completely analyzed as proof that it vindicates trump, nothing to see here. just like the barr press conference on the mueller report. it worked then and on many other occasions, why not try it again? as long as dems continue to ignore the right's best weapon why not keep using it?
hot2na
(358 posts)The media was all too eager to swallow it whole. I think calls for a transcript were a mistake. Haven't we learned the lesson that you cannot trust anything coming from the Whitehouse or Barr's justice dept.
certainot
(9,090 posts)the problem is dems ignorance of talk radio, that buzz has a lot to do with msm momentum/parameters/framing
How You Know Its All Over for Joe Biden
posted by Premiere Networks - Jun 20, 2019
news.iheart.com/...
RUSH: That's it, folks. If ABC News is going after the Hunter Biden-ChiCom-Ukraine scandal, it's over. Somebody in the Democrat-media complex has decided it's time to take Plugs out. Don't know the specific reason. We've been talking about these deals. Conservative media has educated their audiences on all of this China, Ukraine, Joe Biden setting his sons up to become obscenely wealthy. Nobody was interested. Now, all of a sudden, out of the clear blue... It's not in the clear blue.
trump is the talk radio president. the gop is the talk radio party. its the party of limbaugh now.
dems have a huge opportunity to apply artificial intelligence to talk radio and force the ad industry to finally apply market forces to the rw radio monopoly and destroy it.
machoneman
(4,007 posts)The Turtleman just threw Trumpboy under the bus!
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)decided to cut bait and run?
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)A miss is as good as a mile.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Trump's already started.
This way the GOP Senators can say that they wanted the "truth" to come out about his nefarious enemies in the "Deep State."
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)A whirlwind day...but think it was Mike Schmidt NYT? who said exactly that. That trump and GOP decided to just go with the flow and spin. Bad but not too bad. Trash the WB, say Dems overstepped on this, all legit within dip's powers, etc etc
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Kaleva
(36,304 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)This is out of character for the GOP.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)....and any of them that objected to unanimous consent would be giving their opponent a campaign ad.
ms liberty
(8,577 posts)NBachers
(17,110 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)They are not implicated. This is their chance to throw him into the fan, and possibly escape blowback.
Thats my take.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)that base will easily swallow.
That way they can say they went along with the Dems because they wanted the "truth" to come out and "prove" that DT wasn't guilty of anything.
stopdiggin
(11,312 posts)the question is, can they sell a story where it's OK for POTUS to employ appropriated funds (to a critical and strategic ally) in a smear campaign against a political opponent? That's a big one to swallow. (although, given the times ...)
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)someone in high school. They attacked the victim's credibility, and confirmation bias took over in his supporters.
They will focus their attacks on the credibility of the whistleblower - RW twitter is repeating "the whistleblower wasn't even on the call" talking point as we speak.
They will focus on the memo, like they did the Mueller report memo, as the "real" document.
They will convince their followers that it's more 'Deep State' treachery in collusion with the Democrats.
stopdiggin
(11,312 posts)on the other hand .. not everyone out there is "dumb as a stump."
got to be a few people out there wearing uniform (or former) saying, "Hey, wait a fu**ing second .. this guy is using strategic military aid .. to someone who's on the front lines against the Russians .. and somehow all of that is subservient to dicking around with Joe Biden's son??? Screw THAT!"
(but then .. I'm inflicted by occasional bouts of optimism. they say there's pills, but ...)
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)1. He read it and thinks it's all about nothing
2. He read it and thinks this is something that can finally be Trumps undoing.
I still say, in my novel of this, Nancy and Moscow Mitch have private meetings over bourbon. Moscow Mitch says, you'll get your chance. But I'll tell you when.
coeur_de_lion
(3,676 posts)Pelosi would not announce formal impeachment over nothing. She's too smart for that.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Where do Bernie's meetings take place?
ritapria
(1,812 posts)Has the World turned upside down ?
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I hope that's not the case, but it's one possible explanation.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)We were cruising along with investigations into all sorts of things then we stopped for this. We were given a red herring and we jumped at it.
Vdizzle
(383 posts)It was too easy. I wouldnt be surprised if the whistleblower is in on it too. Planned all along to lead the dems down the path of impeachment, then the whistleblowers allegations turn out to be made up or false and tRump is exonerated. Then all the Repubs can point to this in the future anytime they are accused of wrongdoing and call it fake news just like that whistleblower. It will sew doubt about anything the prez is accused of.
uponit7771
(90,344 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)but I smell a rat.
That said, we have to do something. Can't keep letting things slide.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Now that there's a full on investigation, the court cases get expedited, witnesses cant refuse to testify, evidence must be turned over etc.
I don't remember where I read that but the House now has real teeth and claws to get what they need
uponit7771
(90,344 posts)... doesn't compel witness's to answer subpoenas or speak to congress.
It's been a false narrative that impeachment process brings anything special in regards to investigating than other process's.
Democrats can work with judicial branch to compel witness's to respond to subpoenas but the judges don't have to hurry for that either.
uponit7771
(90,344 posts)On the edge of my seat!
peggysue2
(10,829 posts)Why, oh why are Republicans compliant? Either they realize how bad this is and how their own rear ends are on the line. OR this is some dirty political trick to smear Democrats with a surprise nothingburger and/or a refusal from the sitting DNI to release, something that's already been telegraphed.
I sincerely hope it's not the latter.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)... If any of them posted the objection, *THEY* become part of the story and create a campaign ad for their opponents.
peggysue2
(10,829 posts)I just have a queasy, suspicious feeling with the sudden turn of events.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Given the events of the past 3 years.
But I think this is a good thing.
peggysue2
(10,829 posts)I think we all need relief from the on-going madness. Not to mention seeing some justice done to this continuous horror show.
It's way over-due for a very good thing to come our way.
erronis
(15,273 posts)somewhere during/after the "reconstruction". They stole the evil from the southern dems and took it to a new much lower level.
Roll over, Abe.
athena
(4,187 posts)But Pelosi knew this would happen, so all the Democrats have been saying that the whistle blower's testimony is more important than the transcript.
peggysue2
(10,829 posts)We have Sharpie-gate as a reminder. We need the whistleblower in the flesh or a recording of the call itself. Trump and his cronies are completely unreliable. And you're right, Pelosi has stressed the testimony is more important than the transcript. There were reportedly 'multiple' offenses. We need to hear about all of them, up close and personal.
Mr.Bill
(24,294 posts)It more than just the transcript of one phone call.
peggysue2
(10,829 posts)Trump and his enablers will do everything to deflect and obfuscate. As they have from the very beginning starting with the 2016 election. The process has formally begun, a full-blown impeachment inquiry. Full complaint, full investigation with the clout of the official announcement backing it up. Multiple offenses on this one? We need to hear all of it.
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stopdiggin
(11,312 posts)the whole Ukrainian con is about deep corruption .. and most likely criminal action. And it involved not only the president and the WH .. but also drew in State, Justice and quite possibly elements of intelligence and security. A lot of people were aware of this, and now have to figure out how to explain how bribing a foreign government to interfere in domestic politics (and yet another US election) .. is somehow okay. We're all waiting.
Mr.Bill
(24,294 posts)OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)i was expressing skepticism.
ancianita
(36,058 posts)It could be that the senators know that they can not be named on any roll of obstructors in the impeachment process, or their own positions would be in jeopardy.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)gelsdorf
(240 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Trump the flotation device. But never to trust him for a moment. He intends to come out of this with congress and the WH in Republican/Kleptocrat control.
We live in interesting times!
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)to see Trump impeached and Pence installed as President? I do believe so.
JCMach1
(27,559 posts)Danascot
(4,690 posts)I believe a lot of the RW/GOP will run for the exits, starting now and he'll bleed most of his support as things proceed in the coming weeks. Of course there will be a radical core that will never abandon him but they're marginal (albeit they have guns).
JCMach1
(27,559 posts)more Senators than House members
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)world wide wally
(21,743 posts)stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)uponit7771
(90,344 posts)SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)grandpamike1
(193 posts)take a deep breath, and remember that the Mueller report was supposed to be the smoking gun, turned out Barr had other ideas, so let's wait and see if the truth comes out, before celebrating.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)then why have they been refusing to release the whistleblower report in its' entirety? Maybe there is more than just one item there, and tRump's goose is cooked? (Wishful thinking?)
TeamPooka
(24,227 posts)maybe they are going with that theory for this.
Mr.Bill
(24,294 posts)We have seen the redacted Mueller report.
I hope that's not what's going to happen here, but it wouldn't surprise me. After all, why wouldn't they redact it if they got away with it before?
BluNoMatterHu
(31 posts)Feels weird reading about Senate Republicans doing the right thing. Of course, it's all about their own self-preservation but hey, I'll take it!
panader0
(25,816 posts)Kablooie
(18,634 posts)The public was not for Nixon impeachment at the beginning of the investigation but by the end most of the public had flipped so the Republicans turned on him.
If Republicans vote to block a legitimate, legal request but it still leaks out and later the public turns on Trump, they could be in trouble.
I've been wondering that if a real, public investigation takes place, it might turn some minds.
Most Fox News Republicans have not even heard of most of Trump's scandals. They've been shielded from the truth.
A public investigation would make in nearly impossible for them not to know and that might begin to shift the balance.
I don't count on it but I think it's a possibility.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Nancy announced.
Delmette2.0
(4,165 posts)I hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
barbtries
(28,795 posts)and republicans will suddenly turn and uphold the rule of law. i'm not holding my breath though.
obamanut2012
(26,077 posts)Moscow Mitch and his cronies are allowing this for some reason.
NBachers
(17,110 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Link to tweet
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Dr Vegas
(456 posts)Trump will resign but state that's for HEALTH reasons, Pence becomes President.
Nikki Haley will become VP, Pence will play the victim and suggest that it's is time for the Nation to heal
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 24, 2019, 08:58 PM - Edit history (1)
If/When Pencie becomes president under these circumstances, his FIRST action will be to pardon Chump and set him free of federal charges.
Dr Vegas
(456 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,294 posts)has to be approved by both houses of Congress.
wiggs
(7,814 posts)EllieBC
(3,014 posts)Theyll be in a hurry to get off and try to pretend these trump years never happened.
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SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)1. The rePUBS obviously know something more then the Dems.
2. Based on the knowledge have a spin strategy, deep state talking points, and personal and political attacks ready for the document and the whistle blower.
How could anyone believe they actually want to support a release other wise?
Just sayin...
MontanaMama
(23,317 posts)contacted Adam Schiff about coming forward to give a statement and Schiff has reached out to the Acting DNI on how to get it done. It appears that the complaint is coming out regardless of what the GOP supports.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)That way the GOP Senators can say that they "wanted the truth to come out which would exonerate POTUS, and show just how desperate Democrats are" which of course will be swallowed whole by the GOP base.
intrepidity
(7,302 posts)Hard to come up with whatever their ulterior motive is. We'll know soon enough.
FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)As crazy and deluded as Chump is, even he couldn't find anything in the Ukraine proceedings (from 5 years ago) to smear Hunter/Joe Biden with. That's why Chump and Rudy G. were telling the President of Ukraine to make something up - anything.
It's going to be so easy to prove that Chump broke multiple laws BIG time. He cannot weasel out of this, as I'm sure Moscow Mitch can already see. Sooner or later the Repukes are going to abandon Chump, it's their only play.
Thekaspervote
(32,770 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,249 posts)of fabrications.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)Noteworthy, not quite a bombshell.
OldRed2450
(710 posts)I'm sorry to bother you. I'm new to politics and hope you go easy on me for not knowing.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)I'm not entirely certain either, but anything with that terminology leaves me skeptical. I suspect there are no legal "teeth" involved, i.e. no real consequences for non-compliance like contempt of Congress charges. It's a "show vote."
Sorry I can't be more help. Wish I had legal or procedural specifics to give you beyond this.
OldRed2450
(710 posts)Push the doj to release the whistle blower complaint.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)OldRed2450
(710 posts)gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,405 posts)A non-binding resolution is a written motion adopted by a deliberative body that cannot progress into a law. The substance of the resolution can be anything that can normally be proposed as a motion.
This type of resolution is often used to express the body's approval or disapproval of something that they cannot otherwise vote on,[1] due to the matter being handled by another jurisdiction, or being protected by a constitution. An example would be a resolution of support for a nation's troops in battle, which carries no legal weight, but is adopted for moral support.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)I'd guess this is McConnell's first attempt to head things and to try to calm the waters. I suspect the Rs know, unlike Russia, this is an easy to explain and understand scandal.
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)He was also suspicious of their motives.
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)While it did happen just over an hour ago, I thought it would be a headline somewhere.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)I'm thinking that even though Republicans have such a bad moral compass that they'd prefer to continue to let Donald slide....as long as he is helping to pass RW legislation, and dismantle everything Obama had done, I predict that there will be a tipping point, during the impeachment when the evidence is overwhelming, where even McConnell and Graham will issue statements along the lines of "Golly gee, we had no idea....if only we had known..." And vote to impeach. With the hopes of pretending they are sorry, and that with Pence in his place, all is back to normal, honest, governing. Everything is better now. Nothing to see here anymore. Move along.
ecstatic
(32,705 posts)what's really going on. The informant probably told MM that it's really really bad and time to jump ship.
flying-skeleton
(697 posts)TxVietVet
(1,905 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)Will say that this is partisan Trump hatemongering by leeberals and the mainstream media and that the will of the people will not be undermined by this apparent coup, not on their watch. They will use words and straw men to build a case against the Dems, not as the opponent politically but as the enemy of the every soul of the red hat gang and of America itself. Man is this going to get ugly. We haven't seen anything yet.
No doubt, of course, we have to do this, we absolutely have to do it, as the Constitution itself is on trial right now. If the Constitution cannot withstand the lawless seizure of our government by a group posing as Republicans, and signed sealed and delivered at the podium and in the church halls and on every AM radio and TV in the country in the form of a bait and switch, empty mantra propaganda spewathon, resulting in misinformed and pissed off vigilantes, well, the exquisitely-designed safeguards against a government takeover will have failed, and so will have the USA. It can't go that way. It just can't.
Right?
moonseller66
(430 posts)this is all a piece of STephen Miller BS set up to make the Democrats look foolish. Wouldn't put it past them, especially with the Turtle's and Repub's help!
Reichstag fire 2019?
bucolic_frolic
(43,170 posts)Just wait for them to close it all down
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)It means nothing, but it does provide those bastards some political cover.
coti
(4,612 posts)Groundhawg
(551 posts)Beartracks
(12,814 posts)... the country's current state of affairs and in the rise, and coddling, of Trump.
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Nitram
(22,802 posts)rufus dog
(8,419 posts)The law is clear, DNI SHALL turnover ....
Objecting would be objecting to a clearly defined law. Repukes had no choice but to shut the hell up in this case.
W T F
(1,147 posts)woodsprite
(11,915 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)the GOP's intent here. They went along with this because they know something we don't. IMHO.
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)Can't help but wonder what the catch is.
demosincebirth
(12,537 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,170 posts)but never on Impeachment Articles. This is window dressing.
RAB910
(3,501 posts)They control things there and they can use that control to protect their criminal/treasonous President
spanone
(135,838 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Trump sez he will turn over the transcript.
I think the GOP has some talking points prepared that will spin it in a way that his constituents can repeat and convince themselves that it's just another "witch hunt."
bucolic_frolic
(43,170 posts)or maybe the whistleblower is a Rod Rosenstein and we've been handed a dead end,
or maybe Mitch is glad to get it out in the open now instead of June 2020.
Who knows. It is what it is, let's make the most of it, just like they will.
coeur_de_lion
(3,676 posts)Why would they suddenly cooperate?