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Sun Sep 22, 2019, 12:42 PM

National Anthem before a 5K today

I've done over 20 of the Cambridge Classic 5K series, spring/summer/fall/winter, and today was the first time this happened. A live person singing the anthem like we're at a baseball game or something.

I'm used to it in arenas (although I don't really see the necessary connection between sports and flag-waving if we're not at the Olympics.) But to have 2000 people lined up waiting for GO and suddenly have to take off caps and hear a sincere young woman draw out this song, was surreal.

Maybe a change of management? I'm patriotic and I love my country as much as a sane person can at this time. But maybe not enough?

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Reply National Anthem before a 5K today (Original post)
Croney Sep 2019 OP
Mariana Sep 2019 #1
Croney Sep 2019 #10
stopbush Sep 2019 #2
pangaia Sep 2019 #4
Croney Sep 2019 #14
pangaia Sep 2019 #15
Croney Sep 2019 #11
Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #27
SeattleVet Sep 2019 #31
Judi Lynn Sep 2019 #38
Jirel Sep 2019 #3
Croney Sep 2019 #12
Dagstead Bumwood Sep 2019 #33
sir pball Sep 2019 #5
Croney Sep 2019 #7
obamanut2012 Sep 2019 #29
Buckeyeblue Sep 2019 #6
Croney Sep 2019 #8
Buckeyeblue Sep 2019 #9
GoneOffShore Sep 2019 #13
Croney Sep 2019 #21
GoneOffShore Sep 2019 #34
albacore Sep 2019 #16
Croney Sep 2019 #20
TidalWave46 Sep 2019 #17
Croney Sep 2019 #22
triron Sep 2019 #18
Croney Sep 2019 #19
sir pball Sep 2019 #25
pintobean Sep 2019 #23
Croney Sep 2019 #24
MadDAsHell Sep 2019 #26
Croney Sep 2019 #28
GoneOffShore Sep 2019 #35
pintobean Sep 2019 #36
Croney Sep 2019 #37
doc03 Sep 2019 #30
Croney Sep 2019 #32
GoneOffShore Sep 2019 #39
Doc_Technical Sep 2019 #40
Croney Sep 2019 #41

Response to Croney (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 01:04 PM

1. Flag worship is practically a religion now.

And, some people are just bound and determined to pressure everyone into participating in their flag-worshiping fetish, whenever and wherever they have the power to do so. Such people decided to do this to the participants and spectators of your race.

I belong to a club that has nothing to do with politics or nationalism or anything like that, and there is a group of members who want us to open every meeting with the Pledge of Allegiance and have a flag present. So far they've pretty much been ignored, but they just will not stop going on about it. I remains to be seen if they'll succeed - the members may eventually go along with what they want just to shut them up.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:16 PM

10. It made me look around for MAGA hats, which would be rare in Cambridge MA anyway.

Then I felt unpatriotic. But I got over it.

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Response to Croney (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 01:14 PM

2. It doesn't help that The Star Spangled Banner sucks as a piece of music.

and is near impossible for the average person to sing. Most sound like Rosanne Barr.

The only people who can really do justice to the piece are opera singers like Robert Merrill at the Yankees games. And even then, it’s about a battle, not the country.

“America the Beautiful” would make a much better national anthem, even with the hackneyed “god shed his grace on thee” mumbo jumbo.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 01:42 PM

4. I actually kinda like the music itself.

But, for sheer get your mojo up there is nothing quite like the National Anthem of the Soviet Union/Russian Federation to send goose bumps up your spine !!!! The words have changed over time, and even for a period, there were no words. The lyrics for the Russian Federation are different from any of the others, with, as far as I k now, no reference to Lenin and all that crap....

But then. I am a musician, and have always felt a strong connection to Russian culture in general, music in particular...


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Response to pangaia (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:30 PM

14. I'm partial to Oh Canada, my husband being Canadian.

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Response to Croney (Reply #14)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:42 PM

15. Actually, me too.. It is so "Canadian.'




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Response to stopbush (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:18 PM

11. I agree. And when they try to add rills and frills it sounds worse.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 07:06 PM

27. it takes a lot of practice in the shower. haha.

 

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Response to stopbush (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:10 PM

31. I much prefer the original (1814) scoring...

much lighter, not as ponderous and hymn-like.

Wingnuts heads would explode if this version were to be performed instead of the 'hymn' that it has morphed into.




(On edit: I'm old enough to remember the national outrage and debate after Jose Feliciano performed the song at the World Series in 1968)



Huge controversy, much time and talk was wasted on this.

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Response to SeattleVet (Reply #31)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 06:22 AM

38. Interesting to hear the original doesn't sound truculent. It's an improvement.

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Response to Croney (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 01:27 PM

3. Yuck.

I have been intentionally “rude” during these exercises in “patriotic” stupidity. I do not put my hand over my heart or stop whatever I’m doing. I’m over this empty headed and DANGEROUS jingoism.

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Response to Jirel (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:19 PM

12. I just stand there being quiet, pondering the oddness of it all.

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Response to Croney (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:27 PM

33. Same here.

I take off my cap, my hands stay at my side and I don't make a sound. If the person does a decent job, I might clap for a few seconds. It doesn't mean anything to me (especially during the past almost three years), and I only follow along not to draw attention to myself, lest I be confronted by some jingoistic mouth-breather who thinks I'm dissin' 'Murica.

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Response to Croney (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 01:53 PM

5. It's happened at every race I've ever run

Over 25 years of racing, from the New York City Marathon to the Litchfield Hills Road Race, there's always been a live rendition of the anthem as one of the final events before the gun. I've never given it much thought either way, to be honest.

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Response to sir pball (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:12 PM

7. I guess I've been spared until now.

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Response to sir pball (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 07:50 PM

29. Same with me

Road or trail, 5ks to ultras, in many states.

I think it is a tad ridiculous, but I am always mentally getting ready and getting my nerves under control, so ignore all of it.

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Response to Croney (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:08 PM

6. I run races. It's hit or miss with the national anthem

I agree that it's not necessary for sporting events. We don't play the anthem before work every morning. At least not yet.

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Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:13 PM

8. The thought is chilling.

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Response to Croney (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:15 PM

9. Yep. Nothing can surprise me these days.

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Response to Croney (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:20 PM

13. It's because Americans are insecure in their identity. That's my hypothesis.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 03:05 PM

21. And we will be until we get rid of the orange slug.

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Response to Croney (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 01:59 AM

34. Ah, it's been that way for years.

18 years ago we were visited by a French teenager. One of her comments was: Why so many flags? Don't Americans know who they are and where they are living?

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Response to Croney (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:47 PM

16. Ya got off light!

You shoulda had ta sign a loyalty oath first!
(Catch 22)

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Response to albacore (Reply #16)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 03:03 PM

20. I was looking around for the list being passed around!

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Response to Croney (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:53 PM

17. All of the running/triathlon events I take part in...

Play the anthem beforehand. Most of the time it’s a recording with no vocals. Sometimes there will be a local person who sings it.

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Response to TidalWave46 (Reply #17)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 03:06 PM

22. Really? This was the first time for me.

It just felt out of place.

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Response to Croney (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:54 PM

18. I never once had to endure that in all my 30+ years of running and tri races.

WTF! Where do you live?

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Response to triron (Reply #18)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 03:02 PM

19. I live in Cambridge, MA. Sometimes called The People's Republic

of Cambridge. Home of Harvard and MIT and Elizabeth Warren. This was a very diverse crowd, too; students from all over the world I'm sure (plus old local people like me). Really no need to point out what country we were in.

I hope they don't make a habit of it.

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Response to Croney (Reply #19)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 06:49 PM

25. They play it down in Falmouth before the race

Least they did last time I ran it, probably ten years ago

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Response to Croney (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 03:09 PM

23. What have we become

 

to be bitching about someone singing our national anthem? The country belongs to all of us, regardless of who is in power.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #23)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 03:13 PM

24. Yes it does, I agree. But there are places where it might not be

as appropriate as other places. We all have opinions regarding which places those are. I don't think there are any right or wrong answers.

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Response to Croney (Reply #24)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 06:58 PM

26. I'm not sure I agree there's an "inappropriate" place...

 

It's our freaking national anthem.

Now are there places where it's maybe unneeded? Maybe.

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #26)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 07:11 PM

28. Good point.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #23)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 02:02 AM

35. Here's a list of places where the anthem is appropriate or 'needs' to be sung.

Military funerals, inauguration of presidents, national holidays, international sporting events. Everywhere else it's just nationalistic wanking.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #35)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 04:12 AM

36. lol

 

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #35)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 05:39 AM

37. Yep!

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Response to Croney (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:10 PM

30. I don't mind the National Anthem but I can't stand

having to stand up for Lee Greenwoods crap.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #30)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 08:15 PM

32. Thankfully I haven't been subjected to that in person yet.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #30)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 08:40 AM

39. Wouldn't stand for that or 'God Bless America'. No matter where I was.

I'll barely stand for the anthem anymore. Stopped saying 'The Pledge' years ago.

I'm a bit of a hypocrite though, because I do sing 'La Marseillaise' when needed. Don't get many chances though. The French only play it on the occasions I mentioned above.

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Response to Croney (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 09:28 AM

40. I can't find the story, but

A Major League baseball park would play "God Bless America"
during the seventh inning stretch and the crowd was expected
to stand (if they weren't already) and people who didn't stand were
harassed by people who were standing and singing.
Allegedly, one guy decided to duck into the restroom after the third out
was denied entrance to the restroom by a park employee who
said that the restroom was closed while the song is being played.

Jingoism is not patriotism.

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Response to Doc_Technical (Reply #40)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 12:52 PM

41. Denying access to a restroom might cause pee to end up on somebody's shoes.

Also sounds illegal.

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