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real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 10:54 AM Aug 2019

Breaking: Big Oil Companies Oppose "Reckless" Trump Environmental Laws

Trump administration to reverse limits on methane, a powerful greenhouse gas
Juliet Eilperin and Brady Dennis, The Washington Post Aug. 29, 2019

WASHINGTON - The Environmental Protection Agency is set to announce Thursday that it will loosen federal rules on methane, a powerful greenhouse gas linked to climate change, according to two senior administration officials.

The proposed rule will reverse standards enacted under former president Barack Obama that require oil and gas operations to install controls on their operations to curb the release of methane at the well head and in their transmission equipment, including pipelines, processing and storage facilities.

But several of the world's biggest fossil fuel companies, including Exxon, Shell and BP, have opposed the rollback and urged the Trump administration to keep the current standards in place. Collectively, these firms account for 11 percent of America's natural gas output.

"This reckless rollback highlights the Trump administration's complete contempt for our climate," said Kassie Siegel, director of the Climate Law Institute at the Center for Biological Diversity, an advocacy group. "The EPA is now so determined to actually increase greenhouse pollution that it's even shrugging off concerns from oil and gas companies about gutting these protections. Fracked gas is a climate killer, and Trump's rash embrace of this dirty stuff showcases the need for the next president to commit to a rapid phase-out of fossil fuels."
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Trump-administration-to-reverse-limits-on-14397062.php
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Breaking: Big Oil Companies Oppose "Reckless" Trump Environmental Laws (Original Post) real Cannabis calm Aug 2019 OP
Good lord, when the oil companies take the ethical stance against you..... Coventina Aug 2019 #1
+10000 Pachamama Aug 2019 #2
It could be good... real Cannabis calm Aug 2019 #19
How weird is that? Big oil companies care more about the environment The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2019 #3
I think it's because the big oil companies already have the controls, panader0 Aug 2019 #13
That makes sense; but also real Cannabis calm Aug 2019 #20
ding ding, we have a winner Celerity Aug 2019 #22
It is dawning on the megacorps they went too far in abetting the installation of Addleall T. Ponietz Aug 2019 #4
The oil companies like those feel good environmental commercials they put out kimbutgar Aug 2019 #5
Well, I done seen about everything - packman Aug 2019 #6
An I done seen a baseball bat, 3Hotdogs Aug 2019 #7
The largest unchecked Wellstone ruled Aug 2019 #8
IDK durablend Aug 2019 #18
they benefit from sane, uniform regulations, not spontaneous rollbacks 0rganism Aug 2019 #9
There will be a massive backlash against oil companies after Trump is out of office. TheBlackAdder Aug 2019 #10
Oil and auto companies do realize SCVDem Aug 2019 #11
Point! And the D's should be screaming that right now... Grins Aug 2019 #16
Ya mean Big Money cares what will happen to their children and grandchildren if they Doitnow Aug 2019 #12
No, this just fucks with their money - stranded assets/investments in CH4 controls (if in place) . . hatrack Aug 2019 #14
Translation: "We already paid for and installed those controls!" NM Grins Aug 2019 #15
Kick applegrove Aug 2019 #17
Man bites dog dalton99a Aug 2019 #21

Coventina

(27,115 posts)
1. Good lord, when the oil companies take the ethical stance against you.....
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 10:57 AM
Aug 2019

Even Satan must be backing away going, "Slow your roll, dude!"

real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
19. It could be good...
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 08:33 PM
Aug 2019

It could cause Big Oil companies to contribute to Democrats, for a change! (Yep, I know what readers will think in your dreams.

Still, I bet some of these mega-corporations are getting sick of Teflon Don trying to boss them around, by telling them where they should manufacture products.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,686 posts)
3. How weird is that? Big oil companies care more about the environment
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 11:06 AM
Aug 2019

than the government does, and oppose weakened regulations? WTF?

panader0

(25,816 posts)
13. I think it's because the big oil companies already have the controls,
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 01:43 PM
Aug 2019

and the small companies cannot afford them. So rolling back the restrictions
will benefit the smaller companies and allow them to compete with the big ones.
I dunno, I could be wrong.

real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
20. That makes sense; but also
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 09:17 AM
Aug 2019

If you read the complete news article, it mentions wild-fires burning into areas, where they were never a problem before. Methane is extremely flammable; and refineries are very expensive. A fire at a methane plant would be difficult to extinguish and could cost a company massive expenses, even before the cost of rebuilding the facility becomes a factor.

Celerity

(43,349 posts)
22. ding ding, we have a winner
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 09:38 AM
Aug 2019

Gabriel Kolko fan?

a New Left classic from 1963 :

The Triumph of Conservatism: A Reinterpretation of American History, 1900-1916



https://www.amazon.com/Triumph-Conservatism-Reinterpretation-American-1900-1916/dp/0029166500

The era of Presidents Roosevelt, Taft and Wilson has been labelled ""progressive"" by virtually all historians. Mr. Kolko maintains that is a misnomer and that it was, in fact, an era of conservatism. He details decisions made by the national political leaders during the period 1900-1916 and shows that, in virtually every case, they chose solutions as advocated by the business giants--such as the Morgans, the Rockefellers and the Harrimans. Such regulation of industry as was instituted in concern for general welfare was, in the author's words, ""invariably controlled by the leaders of the regulated industry"". What he is saying is that the American economy did not have to become one of business giants and monopolies, nor was regulatory federal legislation just a reaction to what has been assumed to be an inevitable tendency; it actually incubated the growth and concentration of economic power. His argument may cause some stir among historians, economists and big businessmen.

Ponietz

(2,968 posts)
4. It is dawning on the megacorps they went too far in abetting the installation of Addleall T.
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 11:22 AM
Aug 2019

When your refinery is underwater it’s hard to make a profit.
I expect they will support the most ‘conservative’ Dem this time around.

kimbutgar

(21,138 posts)
5. The oil companies like those feel good environmental commercials they put out
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 11:29 AM
Aug 2019

Give people something positive to think about them instead of pollution spewing villains.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
6. Well, I done seen about everything -
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 11:40 AM
Aug 2019

I seen a peanut stand, heard a rubber band
I seen a needle that winked its eye
I seen a front porch swing, heard a diamond ring
I seen a polka-dot railroad tie

I saw a clothes horse rear up and buck
And they tell me that a man made a vegetable truck

I heard a fireside chat, I saw a baseball bat
And I just laughed till I thought I'd die

But I be done seen about everything
When I see an oil company care about clean air

3Hotdogs

(12,375 posts)
7. An I done seen a baseball bat,
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 12:19 PM
Aug 2019

And I done heard a fireside chat,

But I dice seen ‘bout everything,
When I seen an elephant fly

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. The largest unchecked
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 12:33 PM
Aug 2019

Methane leaks seem to be in the Four Corners Area. And as we know,Colorado will not let this go on much longer.

durablend

(7,460 posts)
18. IDK
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 03:50 PM
Aug 2019

Seems like there's a huge methane leak at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. The sooner it's plugged, the better.

0rganism

(23,947 posts)
9. they benefit from sane, uniform regulations, not spontaneous rollbacks
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 12:44 PM
Aug 2019

their's is far more of a profit-motivated stance than a principled one. if an oil company spent the better part of a decade retooling to comply with a fairly mild regulatory regime, it won't help them to suddenly scrap that regime, throw the competitive landscape into chaos, and dangle a temptation to go full rogue polluter when there's a high probability that significantly more severe regulations will be applied within a few years as a response. they have a multitude of reasons to oppose wildcat deregulation.

all of which speaks to the merits of establishing a firm, strict regulatory system with long-term benchmarks if/when responsible people take over again.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
11. Oil and auto companies do realize
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 01:19 PM
Aug 2019

that to change anything because the fart says so will result in undoing it when we take over.

We will override all these disastrous people killing measures.

Dude's Gotta Go!

Grins

(7,217 posts)
16. Point! And the D's should be screaming that right now...
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 01:57 PM
Aug 2019

Those controls will come back in 2021, perhaps with even more controls, so if you don't want to pay double...

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
12. Ya mean Big Money cares what will happen to their children and grandchildren if they
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 01:32 PM
Aug 2019

now start talking like they actually CARE about the environment. Fat chance!! I think whichever conservatives are talking sweet these days are just trying to put a pretty face on what they've been pulling for for years. I don't trust any of them----and that includes all those who have supported Big Money while in office and are now just "waking up."

If they want to be believed, they should first spend 5-10 years performing worthwhile service to this country before having the nerve to again become a candidate for any office.

hatrack

(59,585 posts)
14. No, this just fucks with their money - stranded assets/investments in CH4 controls (if in place) . .
Thu Aug 29, 2019, 01:50 PM
Aug 2019

And it makes it hard to plan for investment, etc.

Talk remains really, really cheap.

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