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8% of prisoner suicides occur under suicide watch - US Marshals (Original Post) jberryhill Aug 2019 OP
That data is NOT specific only to Federal facilities and jails have suicide rates more than 3 1/2 x hlthe2b Aug 2019 #1
This wouldn't be a huge surprise dsc Aug 2019 #2
So 92% don't... Remind us, was Epstein under suicide watch? RockRaven Aug 2019 #3
I'm curious as to what methods the 8% used -- and live love laugh Aug 2019 #4
You are obviously not curious enough to click on the link and read, though jberryhill Aug 2019 #6
Okay thanks. nt live love laugh Aug 2019 #7
The data is suspect to me in that it's pretty much DOJ info ... live love laugh Aug 2019 #8
The DOJ was under siege in 2014 when this data was compiled? onenote Aug 2019 #9
Obviously I didn't read the link and made a bad assumption. live love laugh Aug 2019 #13
So you don't trust Obama's DoJ either? jberryhill Aug 2019 #11
Please read my comment above thanks. nt live love laugh Aug 2019 #14
Our incarceration system is a garbage fire and why people think it "works" is beyond me. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2019 #5
of the 4 traits of most "at risk" DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #10
Amazing he didn't hang himself back in 2008 leftstreet Aug 2019 #12
He knew he was going to get off easy. ZZenith Aug 2019 #16
I wonder how that compares to locked psych wards. hunter Aug 2019 #15
Well the intent there is more therapeutic than a prison jberryhill Aug 2019 #18
So "presumption of innocence" in the U.S.A. is bullshit. hunter Aug 2019 #20
What are you talking about? jberryhill Aug 2019 #21
I'm just saying if anyone is held against their will, even the most horrible people... hunter Aug 2019 #23
Perhaps customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #17
Is pretty much everybody a nobody? jberryhill Aug 2019 #19
Hence, 92% do not. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #22

hlthe2b

(103,041 posts)
1. That data is NOT specific only to Federal facilities and jails have suicide rates more than 3 1/2 x
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:54 PM
Aug 2019

that of Federal facilities. The latter rate is 10 per 100,000.

All one can really say is that suicide prevention is not and likely can never be 100% effective.

That said, there is nothing about this data that either explains nor excuses what is already coming to light in terms of the MCC staff negligence.

dsc

(52,211 posts)
2. This wouldn't be a huge surprise
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:04 PM
Aug 2019

nothing is 100% effective, but that said, removing him from suicide watch was remarkably irresponsible.

RockRaven

(15,321 posts)
3. So 92% don't... Remind us, was Epstein under suicide watch?
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:07 PM
Aug 2019

And were DOJ policies being scrupulously followed in light of his first apparent attempt?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
6. You are obviously not curious enough to click on the link and read, though
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:21 PM
Aug 2019

Because 93% of prison suicides are hanging, with 30% tied to the bed or bunk.

These statistics are literally one mouse click away from you.

live love laugh

(13,406 posts)
13. Obviously I didn't read the link and made a bad assumption.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:15 AM
Aug 2019

Now that I know the facts I see how my comments
appear.

Hey I’m human. 🤷?♀️ Thanks.

DeminPennswoods

(15,354 posts)
10. of the 4 traits of most "at risk"
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 11:10 PM
Aug 2019

Epstein hit 3 (pre-trial status, restrictive housing unit, sex offense).

leftstreet

(36,128 posts)
12. Amazing he didn't hang himself back in 2008
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:09 AM
Aug 2019

or thereabouts when he was arrested

He would have hit all 3 of those back then also

hunter

(38,481 posts)
15. I wonder how that compares to locked psych wards.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:23 AM
Aug 2019

From my own locked psych ward experience I couldn't even catch a few moments peace sitting on the toilet.

There were cameras everywhere, and also an alarm on the bed that alerted staff the instant I got up.

Of course there were meds too, which I'm guessing they don't do so much in prison. If you can't sleep they give you a pill, and you do sleep.

I very soon discovered in order not to be disturbed my best bet was to be reading a book in full view of the nursing station.

hunter

(38,481 posts)
20. So "presumption of innocence" in the U.S.A. is bullshit.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:47 AM
Aug 2019

This nation has never been what it claims to be.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
21. What are you talking about?
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:56 AM
Aug 2019

The presumption of innocence establishes the procedural burden of proof in a legal proceeding. It does not generally require anyone else to consider anybody to be innocent of anything.

It’s the prosecutors JOB to convince people the defendant is guilty. They don’t do that by presuming anybody to be innocent as if it was some sort of universal personal directive.

And, duh, this nation has been in a long continuous process of attempting to become what it claims to be. What the fuck do you expect from starting out with a slaveowner going on about equality? Progress is a journey, not a destination.

hunter

(38,481 posts)
23. I'm just saying if anyone is held against their will, even the most horrible people...
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:17 AM
Aug 2019

... we, as a society, ought to demand a certain standard of care.

People dying in prison, killed by others or dying by other preventable causes, is just another form of capital punishment.

Meanwhile in Norway, Anders Behring Breivik still lives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

There's a lot of LIHOP shit in U.S.A. prisons. Beatings, rapes, and murders are not uncommon.

In a better world jail serves as a "time out" and prison serves to remove dangerous people from ordinary society.

"Punishment" and death should not be part of that equation.



 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
22. Hence, 92% do not.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:00 AM
Aug 2019

(it's great fun to pretend people who makes guesses that don't align with your guesses are magical wizards... grade-school petulance of course, but I've confidence you'll convince yourself the pretense is something less embarrassing than that)

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