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Thu Jul 18, 2019, 06:32 AM

Exactly 40 years ago a wise man saw the future. People did not listen...



Heh. Is any part of this wrong?!?! A certain route to the failure we are witnessing every single day....

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Reply Exactly 40 years ago a wise man saw the future. People did not listen... (Original post)
Soph0571 Jul 18 OP
Sherman A1 Jul 18 #1
FakeNoose Jul 18 #12
bucolic_frolic Jul 18 #15
bigbrother05 Jul 18 #20
Laelth Jul 18 #43
paleotn Jul 18 #70
FakeNoose Jul 18 #36
NewJeffCT Jul 18 #45
certainot Jul 18 #48
SergeStorms Jul 18 #64
Hestia Jul 18 #65
NRaleighLiberal Jul 18 #28
Texin Jul 18 #34
srobertss Jul 18 #58
Hestia Jul 18 #66
The Bopper Jul 19 #82
captain queeg Jul 18 #54
MBS Jul 18 #56
Ferrets are Cool Jul 18 #68
Buzz cook Jul 18 #71
Skittles Jul 19 #75
George Eliot Jul 19 #79
JI7 Jul 18 #2
rampartc Jul 18 #5
stopbush Jul 18 #26
rampartc Jul 18 #30
srobertss Jul 18 #57
pangaia Jul 18 #29
rampartc Jul 18 #32
watoos Jul 18 #3
former9thward Jul 18 #10
Turin_C3PO Jul 18 #14
luvtheGWN Jul 18 #25
Everyman Jackal Jul 18 #21
LanternWaste Jul 18 #40
Botany Jul 18 #4
rampartc Jul 18 #6
c-rational Jul 18 #35
Hekate Jul 18 #44
Botany Jul 18 #46
Hestia Jul 18 #67
moondust Jul 18 #7
democratisphere Jul 18 #8
crazytown Jul 18 #23
MikeJelf Jul 18 #38
crazytown Jul 18 #51
betsuni Jul 18 #9
Gumboot Jul 18 #17
stopbush Jul 18 #27
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Uncle Joe Jul 18 #16
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infullview Jul 18 #19
Caliman73 Jul 18 #39
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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 06:34 AM

1. I continue to believe that Ronald Reagan

Was the worst president we have had, he led to all the GOP mess we have dealt with since.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:07 AM

12. Reagan was the face of it, and the start of it

... but it was a whole group of devious, greedy ultra-wealthy manipulators who enabled him. The Koch Brothers certainly, and several others like them. It saddens me that Reagan didn't care one bit that they used him to achieve their ends, he played right along. He was an actor after all, they just fed him his lines as he played the part of "The President."

So the ball started rolling with Reagan and it has continued to the current day. Only now we have somebody who makes it up as he goes along, because he (Chump) is not an actor and he doesn't understand how this works. It's madness.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:34 AM

15. The groups backing Reagan were

an assembed confluence by 1968. Once they lost with Goldwater, they combined with the newly emerging Religious Right. I'd be many trace to the 1950s John Birch Society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society

Values

The organization supports limited government and opposes wealth redistribution and economic interventionism. It opposes collectivism, totalitarianism, anarchism and communism. It opposes socialism as well, which it asserts is infiltrating U.S. governmental administration. In a 1983 edition of the political-debate television program Crossfire, Congressman Larry McDonald (a conservative Democrat from Georgia), then the society's newly appointed president, characterized it as belonging to the Old Right rather than the New Right.[17]

The society opposed the 1960s civil rights movement and claimed the movement had Communists in important positions. In the latter half of 1965, the JBS produced a flyer titled "What's Wrong With Civil Rights?" and used the flyer as a newspaper advertisement.[18][19] In the piece, one of the answers was: "For the civil rights movement in the United States, with all of its growing agitation and riots and bitterness, and insidious steps towards the appearance of a civil war, has not been infiltrated by the Communists, as you now frequently hear. It has been deliberately and almost wholly created by the Communists patiently building up to this present stage for more than forty years."[20] The society opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, claiming it violated the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and overstepped individual states' rights to enact laws regarding civil rights. The John Birch Society, along with other conservative groups such as the Eagle Forum and the Christian right, successfully opposed the Equal Rights Amendment in the 1970s.[21][22] Like other extreme-right organizations, JBS accused the ERA's supporters of subversion, asserting that the ERA was part of a "Communist" plot "to reduce human beings to living at the same level as animals."[22] The society opposes "one world government", and it has an immigration reduction view on immigration reform. It opposes the United Nations, the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA), and other free trade agreements. It argues the U.S. Constitution has been devalued in favor of political and economic globalization, and that this alleged trend is not accidental. It cited the existence of the former Security and Prosperity Partnership as evidence of a push towards a North American Union.[23]

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:54 AM

20. In the 30's their fathers funded the 5th Columnists supporting Fascism in the US

They even plotted a coup to overthrow FDR. The New Deal built on Teddy Roosevelt's Trust Busting to regulate runaway capitalism. They've been clawing their way back in ever since.

Heard the story that Joe Kennedy, Sr. left the stock market before the crash when the guy shining his shoes was talking about stocks and investments. He understood that if the broad populace were essentially viewing Wall Street as a ticket to wealth, he could not trust the system to function in a rational manner.

This is why "market based investments" are a Ponzi scheme when proposed as an alternative to Social Security.

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Response to bigbrother05 (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 12:42 PM

43. +1 n/t

-Laelth

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Response to bigbrother05 (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 10:19 PM

70. Oh, yes. Good ole capitalism....

It's like fire. If controlled, it can keep you warm. Uncontrolled it will burn down your house. A lot of investors have used "the word on the street" as a bubble barometer for many years now. When average joe blows start irrationally dumping cash in an investment, it's time to head for the exit....rapidly.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:57 AM

36. Yes the greedy bastards have ruined our country

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 01:44 PM

45. Yes, Reagan was the confluence of the Religious Right

and the ultra-wealthy billionaires and multi-millionaires. In the past, Republicans often held their noses when dealing with the Religious Right.

The RW had started in with the "liberal media" smear in the mid 70s, and I think Reagan was the first time the media was really afraid of being called biased so let a lot of Reagan's BS economic policies and lies skate by without nearly as much vetting as he should have gotten.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 01:48 PM

48. democracy was designed fix this shit but reagan killed the fairness doctrine, the cons bought up

hundreds of the loudest radio stations in the country and put limbaugh on them. the whole thing only worked because dems and the left got headaches listening to it so they ignored it for 30 years while it short circuited democracy with made-to-order procorporate constituencies. if the cons paid $1000/hr for talk radio infomercials 1200 stations x 15hrs/day are worth about $5BIL FREE

that has been worth much more than any billionaire donations - democracy can fix the money problem, it just can't fix it if liberals ignore decades of talk radio while it sold "money is free speech" "corporations are people" "deregulation will lower prices" and put clarence thomas alito kavenaugh etc on the supremes

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Response to certainot (Reply #48)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:10 PM

64. Bingo.

Since then it's been lie upon lie and no one with a (R-racist) after their name can be believed again. We reached the pinnacle of that lying, deceitful, disgusting mountain when Donald Trump was supposedly elected pResident.

Jimmy Carter was probably the most decent and honorable man ever elected president. Even my mother and father believed so, and they were both died-in-the-wool conservatives. They're both dead now, but if they had lived to see the horror that Donald Trump has heaped upon our country, and the approval the republican party has given to his words and deeds, they would never have voted for a republican again. They were decent people, not perfect by any means, but Trump would have sickened them beyond the point of ever voting for him.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:21 PM

65. I'm not sure he didn't care - really, was anyone surprised when it was announced he had

Alzheimer's when he left office? I think he was a sundowner, which is why he went to bed at 8 p.m. or so. It was Nancy who was evil and didn't care.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:27 AM

28. He is certainly a root cause

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:48 AM

34. FDR was fighting these mofos during The Great Depression.

The plutocrats and their rethug running dogs have been vowing to repeal every single program enacted by FDR ever since, and every law and program enacted to benefit the poor, working class and minorities. They vowed to do it then, and now with McConnell and Shitler they've just about made good on their vow.

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Response to Texin (Reply #34)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:36 PM

58. Every Sunday

As soon as I was old enough to actually listen, I remember hearing my uncles rail against Social Security and FDR. They weren’t plutocrats. One of them was a contractor who hated paying into it. Of course that’s probably how he survived retirement.

The Depression made the majority in govt afraid enough of the left wing to get this passed, as long as it very carefully excluded black people by excluding domestic workers and railway porters. That was a very important part of the deal. Don’t help the “undeserving” poor.

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Response to Texin (Reply #34)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:27 PM

66. and on the other side, we came this close to becoming a communist country

because of the Depression. FDR was to assuage the moderates with socialist programs. It was the only way to contain the country. It was the heyday of unions, which is why they continue to be accused of being a communist front to this day.

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Response to Hestia (Reply #66)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 11:03 AM

82. BS

The closest we’ve ever come to “the government “ taking over industry (communism) in the U.S. was under Nixon. He took over the steel industry not because of war but because they were contractually committed to raises based on inflation. FDR heavily regulated industry to keep them from ripping us off and wasn’t anywhere near communism.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:05 PM

54. I wouldn't say worst ever

Especially with the current occupant. But he started to downward spiral the US finds itself in now. Maybe the most damaging president ever.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:24 PM

56. I agree 100%

Reagan does mark the beginning of our downward slide.
But, even more, I think that it all started especially with voters BUYING INTO the Reagan BS.

As long as voters revere Reagan , we have not recovered from this illness that has poisoned our country for the last 39-40 years.(A subject I could rant about for hours:I had to endure him as governor, too, and have to live with a college diploma SIGNED by him )

I remember a long-ago Conrad cartoon, which summarized the 1980 election and its aftermath aptly, as an ostrich (symbolizing American voters) putting its head in the sand.
And I also remember Rosalynn Carter saying during a TV interview, shortly after Carter lost to Reagan: "Reagan makes us feel comfortable with our prejudices."

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:36 PM

68. He begain it, but no, he has not been the worst. nt

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:40 PM

71. Not as bad as Bush II

Body count alone makes Shrub the worst president. But Ronnie paved the way for him just as Nixon did for Reagan.

Since Nixon each republican has been worse than the one before. Look at how people are being nostalgic for Bush II and as they were for Reagan and Nixon.

Republicans are like a cancer spreading through the body politic.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 12:51 AM

75. Reagan made greed and idiocy fashionable

America has never really recovered from Ronald Fucking Reagan

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:57 AM

79. Reagan the seed; GWB/Trump the poisonous fruit

I’ve always blamed Reagan. But these two equally the worst ever. Can’t comprehend people voting Rs that keep taking us down to third world status.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 06:35 AM

2. Reagan's "there you go again" and how the media played that up as if it was something special

was an example of the dumbing down of politics.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:02 AM

5. carter was making a serious point about the economy

Reagan did not do serious. he, like trump, was a positive thinker. laffer explained reaganomics to the gipper with a graph drawn on a bar napkin.

did optimism fix the stagflation economy? that would be magical .

did the tax "cuts" fix the economy ? taxes were cut for corporations and the rich, but fica taxes, the most regressive taxes in America history, the taxes collected from the working class, were doubled. this was sold as "fixing" social security for the baby boomers, so why are they talking about privatizing social security?

the economy was "fixed," as the conservatives brag, I think the massive defense spending of the Reagan era injected a shot of military Keynesianism into the economy. nothing new or innovative, but people were needed to refit the battleships and develop hardware.

the economy was fixed because fed chairman Volker (a carter appointee) imposed some necessary discipline into the banking system.

jimmy carter was a great president and continues to be a good man.

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Response to rampartc (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:21 AM

26. Regan cut the top tax rate dramatically and made up part of the lost revenue

by taxing SS benefits.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #26)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:29 AM

30. yes he did

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Response to stopbush (Reply #26)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:26 PM

57. And unemployment benefits

I have a distinct memory of his announcement of this on Thanksgiving weekend, but I can’t find any reference to this online. My husband remembers this too. My mother hated him as governor of California, partly because he raided the Teacher’s retirement fund.

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Response to rampartc (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:29 AM

29. trump is a negative non-thinker


he is a rabid animal who only knows how to strike out an infect anything he finds uncomfortable..

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Response to pangaia (Reply #29)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:32 AM

32. trump is a reptile

if he can't eat it or fuck it wants to kill it.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 06:41 AM

3. Reagan got working men and women

 

to vote against their own best interests.

My dad told me back in the 50's, if you're rich vote Republican, if you're poor vote Democratic.

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Response to watoos (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:54 AM

10. The vast majority are neither rich or poor.

Who do they vote for?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:26 AM

14. It was a common thought though.

My great grandpa used to tell me the same thing. He said if you’re not rich, you have no business voting Republican. He was a poor, yellow dog Democrat.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:18 AM

25. My American uncle was a Republican.

As a newly-minted architect in Ohio, he joined the Republican Party because it was the party of business. He and his partner needed the commissions to grow their firm. As a result, their firm got to design most of the schools, public buildings and churches in central Ohio.

He would be turning over in his grave at what his Party has become. His son saw the writing on the wall with the election of Reagan and he joined the Democratic Party.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:54 AM

21. If they are neither rich nor poor,

 

if they own their homes, have enough to eat are secure in their jobs and in their lives, they probably don't vote or vote for the status quo.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 12:16 PM

40. You should find out and let us know...

"Who do they vote for?"

You should find out and let us know... if the question is sincere.

Otherwise, well, we get it.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 06:48 AM

4. Jimmy put up solar panels on the White House Reagan took them down

Can you imagine on how far along we would be into renewable energies and the millions of
tons of CO2 that would not have been put into our atmosphere if we had followed Jimmy's
lead?

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Response to Botany (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:03 AM

6. +1

the energy plan would have made a green new deal (not to mention several wars) unnecessary.

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Response to Botany (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:52 AM

35. Agreed.

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Response to Botany (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 01:33 PM

44. Al Gore installed tankless water heaters in the VP residence; Cheney ripped them out.

Have to stop now. I hate them.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #44)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 01:45 PM

46. Clinton wanted to put $.25 per gallon on gasoline and use it for clean and green energy and ...

... technology. The GOP stopped him. In 2009 or 2010 Donna Edwards tried to
pass a "green stormwater management" program ... gotta replace the aging
storm water infrastructure anyway and the GOP killed that too.

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Response to Botany (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:35 PM

67. Very interesting article on AGW "Losing Earth: The Decade We Almost Stopped Climate Change"

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:15 AM

7. He was right.

Reagan basically gave the green light to "greed über alles" and some other countries followed to avoid being left behind by the world's largest economy. It was the turning point that along with globalization led to today's massive inequality, "ending in chaos and immobility." But isn't it great that three guys have more wealth than half the U.S. population combined? Utter nonsense.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:24 AM

8. While Ronald Reagan was the beginning of the end, Jimmy Carter

and the Democrats didn't make it better by empowering the banksters.

https://www.salon.com/2009/06/04/jimmy_carter_did_it/

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:58 AM

23. It began in August 1979

Paul Volcker was appointed as Fed Chair with a mission to 'whip' inflation. These were the high watermark days of Milton Friedman's monetarism = 'Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon'. The 1980 legislation allowed the banks to pass on 19% interest rates.

And it was such shabby scam. The cause of inflation was there for all to see - OPEC quadruped oil prices (again) in 1978. The 1980 legislation enabled banks to profit from the misery inflicted by the Fed.

Devo's song - whip it, was sample's from President Carters rhetoric on inflation.

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Response to crazytown (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:35 AM

38. GERRY FORD

attacked "stagflation" with "Whip Inflation Now" (W.I.N.) buttons, and naught much else. Before he was picked to replace the convict Spiro Agnew as Nixon's vice president, Ford's only claim to national fame was supporting the "Impeach Earl Warren" campaign.
Ford is the only president I know who started his adult career as a photo model. He named his dog "Liberty," and as far as I know there was no "Equality" or "Fraternity" in the Ford pack.
In the "Dumbest President Ever" contest I figure Ford takes third place behind Trump and Shrub.
Ah yes, I remember it well.

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Response to MikeJelf (Reply #38)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 01:57 PM

51. Whip Inflation Now (!)

Oh yeah. I had not realized how desperate the DOJ was to get Agnew out before Nixon fell until listening to Rachel's Bag Man series. 'Decent and dumb' Ford was a anti-Nixon I guess.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:47 AM

9. I remember people saying they were voting for Reagan because of taxes.

He would reduce taxes. Selfish, no idea of society: "the right to grasp for ourselves some advantage over others."

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Response to betsuni (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:38 AM

17. And those voters never bothered to ask:

"Whose taxes will you be cutting? And whose taxes will rise to make up the shortfall?"

Sadly, millions still fall for this same Republican garbage today.


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Response to betsuni (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:22 AM

27. Seniors voted for Reagan, then he taxed their SS benefits.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:56 AM

11. One of my personal heroes! nt

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:11 AM

13. President Carter is one of the wisest human beings on our planet. nt

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:37 AM

16. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread Soph.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:45 AM

18. Such a wise person and such an honorable human being.

We would do well to elect someone like him in the near future.

Brilliant and perceptive words spoken by a great person.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:48 AM

19. Carter spoke way too eloquently for the masses to be able to understand his message.

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Response to infullview (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 12:08 PM

39. My wife always says that about President Obama too.

She often tells me that I explain things at too high a level for the average person. That saddens and scares me.

I do understand that people have less opportunity for education, that there is major disparity in the quality of schools around the country. I also know that people are just trying to survive and don't have the time or inclination to get involved in the intricacies of policy. The concern I have is that those intricacies, those people that we send to municipal, county, state, and national office they really do have effects on our ability to survive. It may not be apparent from one day to the next, but when you start seeing less in your paycheck or your pensions start to run out of money, or your roads start to become filled with potholes and bumps, that affects your life, so we do need to pay attention and make choices based on things we need to do, not on whether we would want to have a beer with a person.

A poster on DU, someone I respect and who appears to really understand the political process was talking about "ordinary voters" and several people who responded asked, "What is an 'ordinary voter'?" There was a mention of "pocketbook" issues but at least to me, there did not appear to be a complete answer. Some of the responses were, "If you hang out on a political forum, you are not an ordinary voter." It left me wondering if by "ordinary voter" the poster meant people who could not or chose not to take the time to be informed and involved with the issues.

People talk about "not making things political" EVERYTHING is political. When people use specific religious beliefs to restrict rights to others, that is political. When people make up a budget that favors a certain industry or a certain economic framework, that is political. When people make decisions of how we deal with foreign trade, immigration, and drug policy, those things are political. Who we chose to represent our needs and make laws, and carry them out is inherently political and it affects us in profound ways.

We need intelligent people with good character to represent our interests and make good policy, but we also have to be able to challenge and direct them with clarity. We need to understand what is going on if we want to try to fix it.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #39)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 01:46 PM

47. "ordinary voters"

where to begin... from what I can tell, ordinary voters are not very aware of what's happening around them. By comparison, people on DU are aware of hundreds of issues and are constantly trying to connect the dots as to cause and effect (ala Rachel Maddow), ordinary voters... not so much. Let me give you an example: one day at work, a while back in time I walked into the office of our local executive assistants [secretary] office and in an effort to make small talk I said "I just heard on the news that Manafort was just arrested". This information was met with a blank stare and a question "Who ?". As you might have guessed this person was a tRump supporter, and totally oblivious to the shit storms going on around tRump. Think of these ordinary voters as veal metaphors. They are mentally bound, fed a narrow media diet, and have no desire to explore and learn anything outside of their daily routine.

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Response to infullview (Reply #47)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:56 PM

73. I haven't seen the post to which Caliman refers

 

So I don't know the context in which the term "ordinary voter" was used.

Having said that, to me an "ordinary voter" is one who doesn't understand the issues and how they will affect him or her, and decides on whom to vote for primarily based on advertising, in the same manner in which he or she is persuaded to buy a given brand of detergent. The ordinary voter is typically xenophobic and bigoted, and those characteristics are exploited and played to, resulting in that kind of voter voting against his or her own best interests.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #39)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:55 PM

69. One half of the problem is term limits in the States. It was GOP revenge for Democratic States

who's members had been there for years. Sure, some needed to go, but by-and-large, all it has done is really limit the intelligent people with character out, before they've really had time to jell effectively as a Representative/Senator. Used to, the best senators came from State Houses, now we have 4th string yahoo's because they are all that are left, thanks to term limits.

I happened to be waiting for my food order and some big news event came on the tv in the restaurant. A guy standing near me was watching too. I made some offhand remarks about what we were watching and he turns to me and goes, who ARE you? I stated just an informed citizen, who are you? A Representative from the neighboring District. (I had just moved to town.) He said I was more informed that his staff members. Former School Principal, beloved man, term limited out. [sigh]

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 08:58 AM

22. Kick and recommend.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:16 AM

24. Remember

Regan's 'welfare queens' driving cadillacs????
I do. The start of shaming 'others' and stealing from you and me!
He was a wicked man.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:29 AM

31. Reagan played into the embedded greed in the human species

Liberals/Democrats are sufficiently self aware and empathetic that they generally keep it under control. Conservatives/Republicans embrace and wallow in it

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:36 AM

33. He certainly foresaw the 1980s

and everything went downhill after that.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:58 AM

37. Even before Carter was Goldwater and Nixon

This sums it up nicely. From the New Republic 2016:

What the Democrats still don't get about Georg McGovern

https://newrepublic.com/article/130737/democrats-still-dont-get-george-mcgovern

Bit of a history lesson.

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Response to moonseller66 (Reply #37)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 04:13 PM

60. Very interesting article.

Thanks for posting.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 12:33 PM

41. K&R

A truly great man who sadly went unappreciated during his Presendancy. Electing Reagan was a turning point that led us directly to where we are now.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 12:40 PM

42. k&r for President James Earl Carter, Jr. n/t

-Laelth

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 01:51 PM

49. Please tell Dems to stop quoting Reagan

That is all

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Response to malaise (Reply #49)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 05:19 PM

63. Amen, the deference is nauseating

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Response to malaise (Reply #49)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:29 AM

76. They never recovered

Reagan forever moved the party to the right.

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Response to Cetacea (Reply #76)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 05:49 AM

80. Profound

neo-liberal BS along with not so subtle racism

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 01:54 PM

50. This one is right on target

On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. H. L. Mencken


Read more at https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/h_l_mencken_490503

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 01:59 PM

52. absolutely right

I got in huge fights with my asshole in laws in knee deep conservative bullshit in red zone Eastern WA
I have said for many years that Reagan was one of very worst presidents because of his selfish attitude
that trickled down to the many in the US

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:04 PM

53. They're still not listening.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:22 PM

55. "The Rich and the Super-rich"..

a story of wealth and power, by Ferdinand Lundberg. Available for free download at the Soil & health online library because of the copyright expiration. ….it's a freaking road map...

Original Dust Jacket Copy
Thirty years ago, a bombshell of a book appeared which told the story of the lords of wealth and their glittering clans. it was called America’s Sixty Families. It rocked the nation and became a classic.
Lundberg showed how America was ruled by a plutocracy of inherited wealth, even under the New Deal. At the time he could only provide a sampling of the economic and political patterns of those families, which, for one reason or another, had come under public scrutiny. In addition to the Sixty Families he dealt with in depth, he was able to outline the probable holdings of a few hundred other families.
Where are they today–those Sixty Families? What ravages of time, death and taxes worked on the mighty fortunes of yesteryear? Is the “Welfare State” robbing them of the opulence they knew in the good old days?

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The author, in writing THE RICH AND THE SUPER RICH, had at his disposal infinitely richer data, monographs, Congressional investigations than were available three decades ago. They have made it possible for him to give us a book which is much more than a mere updating of America’s Sixty Families. It is, rather, a systematic study of the entire wealthy class and its familial structure. (In one important aspect It resembles America’s Sixty Families, it is written for the layman to awaken him to the real and little-known situation.)
Lundberg shows that there are 200,000 very wealthy individuals in the United States. Most of them are of some 500 super-millionaire families. Examples are 250 Du Ponts, 73 Rockefellers. Some 61% of the 200,00 inherited their wealth. These families are far wealthier than ever before. (A striking example is that author had to insert a footnote as the book went be press to report that the value of J. Paul Getty’s’ principal holdings in the oil company bearing his name had tripled since the manuscript of THE RICH AND THE SUPER-RICH went to the printer.)
These families have all the old levers of power and pelf plus a whole host of new ones created for them during the intervening decades by the politicians lawyers and judges who serve them.

https://soilandhealth.org/copyrighted-book/the-rich-and-the-super-rich/

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:53 PM

59. K&R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes indeed he did.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 04:29 PM

61. That was my first voting year after turning 18

I voted for Carter but he lost. I was sad . And then Reagan raised my taxes as a waitress and removed my eligibility to get a Pell Grant. I didn’t finish college until 2005, thanks to Reaganomics. I have hated the republicans since.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 04:57 PM

62. Thanks for the reminder. What foresight indeed

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 11:47 PM

72. 0. Exactly 40 years ago a wise man saw the future. People did not listen...

nope

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 12:23 AM

74. Reagan launched his 1980 campaign with a speech lauding "states' rights" outside Philadelphia, Miss.

Reagan launched his 1980 general election campaign with a speech lauding “states’ rights” outside Philadelphia, Mississippi — the site of the notorious “Mississippi Burning” murder of three civil rights workers in 1964.

James Chaney, Mickey Schwerner and Andrew Goodman were abducted and killed in Mississippi by the local Ku Klux Klan in June 1964 — a case that garnered enormous national attention because, as Schwerner’s widow said, he and Goodman were white.

On August 3, 1980, Reagan traveled to the Neshoba County Fair, which a prominent state Republican had recommended as the place to find “George Wallace-inclined voters.” There — within walking distance of the earthen dam where the murderers of the three civil rights workers had surreptitiously buried them just 16 years before — Reagan delivered a speech including these lines:

I know that in speaking to this crowd, that I’m speaking to what has to be about 90 percent Democrat. I just meant by party affiliation. I didn’t mean how you feel now. I was a Democrat most of my life myself. …

I believe in states’ rights. … And I believe that we’ve distorted the balance of our government today by giving powers that were never intended in the Constitution to that federal establishment. …

As columnist William Raspberry wrote upon Reagan’s death, his endorsement of “states’ rights” — the same phrase white Southerners had used for decades to justify Jim Crow segregation — was “bitter symbolism for black Americans” and “an important bouquet in [GOP] courtship” of Dixiecrats.

The “states’ rights” reference was just one of many racist dog-whistles Reagan employed throughout his political career. During his unsuccessful 1976 run for the Republican presidential nomination, Reagan decried “welfare queens” and a “strapping young buck” who bought T-bone steaks with food stamps. In his 1984 reelection campaign he even returned to Philadelphia and declared that “the South shall rise again.”


https://theintercept.com/2015/09/16/seven-things-reagan-wont-mentioned-tonight-gops-debate/


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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #74)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:31 AM

77. Yup. And coming to our beloved NYC right after it's native son, Lennon, was killed.

To remind us he didn't support gun control, while the city and the world, mourned. He was a real bastard.

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Response to Cetacea (Reply #77)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:40 AM

78. That really was the beginning of starting down this terrible path

And it all has culminated in the unimaginable horror of Trump.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 06:47 AM

81. Source:

Jimmy Carter
Energy and the National Goals - A Crisis of Confidence
delivered 15 July, 1979

Text and audio of full speech:
https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/jimmycartercrisisofconfidence.htm

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Response to sl8 (Reply #81)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 11:16 AM

83. Thank you.

Much appreciated.

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Response to VOX (Reply #83)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 12:42 PM

84. De nada. n/t

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