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BigmanPigman

(51,813 posts)
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 05:37 PM Jun 2019

DU POLL: Does Policy or Ability to Win dictate your Primary Choice?

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When choosing a Dem Primary Candidate do you vote based on the candidates' policies or their ability to beat tRump/GOP?


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Policy
3 (25%)
Defeat tRump
8 (67%)
Personality
0 (0%)
Other
1 (8%)
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DU POLL: Does Policy or Ability to Win dictate your Primary Choice? (Original Post) BigmanPigman Jun 2019 OP
let me guess Skittles Jun 2019 #1
As of today yes I think he has the best chance to win by the largest margin. That of course can UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #6
well it does need to change Skittles Jun 2019 #8
And who in your opinion is 'better'...all of a sudden Biden is chopped liver. Really pathetic. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #32
I think several candidates can beat Trump. 33taw Jun 2019 #27
I'll take three of them Skittles Jun 2019 #31
Morality wins the day with me Generic Brad Jun 2019 #2
That's a good metric to go by! Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #3
We must win as handily as possible considering all the tampering and the slim margin of victory UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #4
Policy, for sure. PETRUS Jun 2019 #5
Both with me - they go hand in hand. Claritie Pixie Jun 2019 #7
That is normally how I vote but this year is different for me. BigmanPigman Jun 2019 #9
It's ok to think that - I do all the time! Claritie Pixie Jun 2019 #13
Tired of anti-people policy OkSustainAg Jun 2019 #10
Almost all Dem contenders are fine with policy. UTUSN Jun 2019 #11
Beating Trump by the biggest margin possible will also have a down ballot effect aeromanKC Jun 2019 #12
these are strange days IcyPeas Jun 2019 #14
The one who best understands the current problems in our country. marylandblue Jun 2019 #15
more people voted for Hillary "for a reason" Skittles Jun 2019 #17
First of all "people" means at a minimum enough people in the states where we need them. marylandblue Jun 2019 #20
Trump had Russia and the FBI on his side Skittles Jun 2019 #21
Those wouldn't have worked unless people were already dissatisfied. marylandblue Jun 2019 #24
"the rest of the country" Skittles Jun 2019 #25
I didn't say any of that, and it's clear you don't get it, but marylandblue Jun 2019 #28
I'm curious Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #29
LOL Skittles Jun 2019 #30
Passed. Without admitting the election was stolen and fixing it, none NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #16
We can't do anything about that right now. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #19
Both. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #18
Ability to win is nebulous bullshit. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #22
Differences in policy are relatively trivial because changes and compromises will happen Orangepeel Jun 2019 #23
Both True Dough Jun 2019 #26
After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING Omaha Steve Jun 2019 #33
It's really hard to believe this poll from what I witness in the Primary forum. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #34

Skittles

(153,935 posts)
1. let me guess
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 05:39 PM
Jun 2019

only Biden is assumed to have "Ability"

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
6. As of today yes I think he has the best chance to win by the largest margin. That of course can
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 05:48 PM
Jun 2019

change.

Skittles

(153,935 posts)
8. well it does need to change
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 05:50 PM
Jun 2019

we can do better, WAY better

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
32. And who in your opinion is 'better'...all of a sudden Biden is chopped liver. Really pathetic. nt
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 07:10 PM
Jun 2019

33taw

(2,471 posts)
27. I think several candidates can beat Trump.
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:49 PM
Jun 2019

Biden, Warren, Sanders, Harris and Buttigieg are among them.

Skittles

(153,935 posts)
31. I'll take three of them
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 07:02 PM
Jun 2019

Generic Brad

(14,284 posts)
2. Morality wins the day with me
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 05:45 PM
Jun 2019

All have policy. All have ability. But my primary choice will be heavily based on the decency and respect they displayed while campaigning. We are up against a level of corruption and slime never before seen in our nation. I want the opposite of that!

Turin_C3PO

(14,303 posts)
3. That's a good metric to go by!
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 05:47 PM
Jun 2019

I like that.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
4. We must win as handily as possible considering all the tampering and the slim margin of victory
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 05:47 PM
Jun 2019

that scumbag had.

PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
5. Policy, for sure.
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 05:47 PM
Jun 2019

The "wrong" policy could open up the door for a future right winger that's even worse than Trump.

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
7. Both with me - they go hand in hand.
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 05:49 PM
Jun 2019

BigmanPigman

(51,813 posts)
9. That is normally how I vote but this year is different for me.
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 05:53 PM
Jun 2019

I would have phrased the question as "beat tRump" but I didn't want to suggest physically beating him. Then I paused and thought that I wish someone would physically beat him up (until now I was a non-violent pacifist too...look what he has done to people like me!).

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
13. It's ok to think that - I do all the time!
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:01 PM
Jun 2019

For me though, going head to head with him, rolling in the mud with him, will not beat him.

It's going to take substance and integrity. The opposite of what he is.

OkSustainAg

(203 posts)
10. Tired of anti-people policy
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 05:54 PM
Jun 2019

Look at what gets passed.

UTUSN

(71,050 posts)
11. Almost all Dem contenders are fine with policy.
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 05:55 PM
Jun 2019

aeromanKC

(3,354 posts)
12. Beating Trump by the biggest margin possible will also have a down ballot effect
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:01 PM
Jun 2019

And remember, this is a census year for the next decade!!

IcyPeas

(22,065 posts)
14. these are strange days
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:02 PM
Jun 2019

I would think in "normal" times policy would be much more important. But these are not normal times. Getting trump out is important to me.

Strange days indeed -- most peculiar, mama


marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
15. The one who best understands the current problems in our country.
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:04 PM
Jun 2019

People voted for Trump for a reason. Real reasons not a made up guess of what Democrats think someone else ought to do. The real reasons led them to be dissatisfied with political leaders of both parties. They seem no more satisfied today. Whoever speaks best to the reasons for the dussatisfaction, gets my vote.

Skittles

(153,935 posts)
17. more people voted for Hillary "for a reason"
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:17 PM
Jun 2019

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
20. First of all "people" means at a minimum enough people in the states where we need them.
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:21 PM
Jun 2019

Second of all, the fact that Trump even got more than 5% of the Republican vote let alone 46% of the entire country speaks to a much deeper and more serious problem than Trump himself. As of now, only two candidates seem aware of this, so one of them will get my vote, unless someone else figures it out.

Skittles

(153,935 posts)
21. Trump had Russia and the FBI on his side
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:22 PM
Jun 2019

Trump did not "win" via MAGAts alone

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
24. Those wouldn't have worked unless people were already dissatisfied.
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:38 PM
Jun 2019

People just don't vote in large numbers for someone like Trump unless they think there is something seriously wrong with the country and their voice is not being heard. And it is not something unique to America like the FBI. The same problem is occurring in many countries around the world.

Only 2 out of 24 candidates seem to get it. Most DUers don't seem to get it. I hope at least the Democratic base understands what is bothering the rest of the country.

Skittles

(153,935 posts)
25. "the rest of the country"
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:41 PM
Jun 2019

you're talking about less than half.....and FUCK those racist, sexist assholes

there are more than two candidates who GET IT....we need to concentrate on the people who failed to vote, not those voted for a sick fascist reality TV show con man to be PRESIDENT

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
28. I didn't say any of that, and it's clear you don't get it, but
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:51 PM
Jun 2019

then again, if you want to get it, you have to see other people as fully formed persons in their own right, with hopes, dreams and flaws, not mere "racist, sexist assholes." And even if they were racist sexist assholes, 46% of the electorate is PAINFULLY close to a majority for someone as manifestly unfit for office as Donald Trump. So even if Trump loses next time, but the underlying problems are not addressed, the path is cleared for a smarter more competent Trump to win a future election.

If I were so inclined and sufficiently skilled I know exactly how I would do it. That scares the crap out of me, because if I can see it, so can a lot of other people who are actually inclined to do it.

Turin_C3PO

(14,303 posts)
29. I'm curious
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:54 PM
Jun 2019

to know what your opinion is that so many people voted for him and which two candidates understand it. Seriously, I’m interested in your thoughts because it bugs me that so many approve of this asshole.

Skittles

(153,935 posts)
30. LOL
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 07:00 PM
Jun 2019

done here

NRaleighLiberal

(60,071 posts)
16. Passed. Without admitting the election was stolen and fixing it, none
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:10 PM
Jun 2019

Of this matters

Turin_C3PO

(14,303 posts)
19. We can't do anything about that right now.
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:20 PM
Jun 2019

McConnell is blocking all efforts to secure this election. So we must turn out in huge numbers to overcome any possible GOP/Russian shenanigans. We did it in 2018, we can do it in 2020.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
18. Both.
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:18 PM
Jun 2019

Voltaire2

(13,690 posts)
22. Ability to win is nebulous bullshit.
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:22 PM
Jun 2019

There is no objective way to determine that, so everyone just thinks themselves into believing their guy is the most electable.

On the other hand, you can just write down what policy positions are important to you, and compare each candidate against that list.

Orangepeel

(13,936 posts)
23. Differences in policy are relatively trivial because changes and compromises will happen
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:36 PM
Jun 2019

No of their plans will be enacted as is

True Dough

(17,557 posts)
26. Both
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 06:43 PM
Jun 2019

They're not mutually exclusive.

Omaha Steve

(100,344 posts)
33. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 07:11 PM
Jun 2019

Per the decisions and instructions of the DU Admins, all OP's regarding Democratic candidates for the Party's nomination for President are to be posted in the Democratic Primaries Forum. Please post your OP there. Thanks

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
34. It's really hard to believe this poll from what I witness in the Primary forum. nt
Sun Jun 30, 2019, 07:11 PM
Jun 2019
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