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Vidal

(642 posts)
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:38 PM Jun 2019

"I don't want to see him impeached, I want to see him in prison," Pelosi said . . .

Speaker Nancy Pelosi told senior Democrats that she’d like to see President Donald Trump “in prison” as she clashed with House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler in a meeting on Tuesday night over whether to launch impeachment proceedings.

Pelosi met with Nadler (D-N.Y.) and several other top Democrats who are aggressively pursuing investigations against the president, according to multiple sources. Nadler and other committee leaders have been embroiled in a behind-the-scenes turf battle for weeks over ownership of the Democrats’ sprawling investigation into Trump.

Nadler pressed Pelosi to allow his committee to launch an impeachment inquiry against Trump — the second such request he’s made in recent weeks only to be rebuffed by the California Democrat and other senior leaders. Pelosi stood firm, reiterating that she isn’t open to the idea of impeaching Trump at this time.

“I don’t want to see him impeached, I want to see him in prison,” Pelosi said, according to multiple Democratic sources familiar with the meeting. Instead of impeachment, Pelosi still prefers to see Trump defeated at the ballot box and then prosecuted for his alleged crimes, according to the sources.


link: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/05/pelosi-impeachment-1355435
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"I don't want to see him impeached, I want to see him in prison," Pelosi said . . . (Original Post) Vidal Jun 2019 OP
Ooooooh, watch out for Spanky's scathing tweet any hour now donkeypoofed Jun 2019 #1
I am glad we have Pelosi 4now Jun 2019 #2
Why? Letting him go without impeachment will destroy the party. OliverQ Jun 2019 #4
They can't do both? Ferrets are Cool Jun 2019 #3
They can either do both or neither. The scenario Pelosi described hughee99 Jun 2019 #12
No Nuggets Jun 2019 #14
If impeachment fails, it doesn't give him immunity from prosecution after he leaves office. hughee99 Jun 2019 #15
So you don't want to do the thing you can do BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #5
And if he's reelected, then what? BlueStater Jun 2019 #6
The most asute remark I've seen here in a while. appalachiablue Jun 2019 #17
I second your comment. MuseRider Jun 2019 #46
To not impeach Trump, increases the likelihood that Trump will be PufPuf23 Jun 2019 #20
+1, the party of the impeached has never fared well in elections post impeachment uponit7771 Jun 2019 #22
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212155160 Nevermypresident Jun 2019 #42
Not likely Vidal Jun 2019 #24
I do not know how I missed your thread Vidal erlewyne Jun 2019 #51
Excellent point. Tipperary Jun 2019 #33
Politico On House Dems Me. Jun 2019 #7
Politico on House Republicans: EffieBlack Jun 2019 #9
Yep mcar Jun 2019 #37
Yes Politico. The same Politico Iliyah Jun 2019 #10
It's The Same As Media Pundits Quoting People They've Talked To Across The Country Me. Jun 2019 #58
Donny Deutsch thinks the Dems need to rebrand & open a pile of "criminal inquiries" instead Hekate Jun 2019 #8
I didn't like Donny's premise, watoos Jun 2019 #30
Trump being impeached would devastate him Vidal Jun 2019 #31
Not impeaching Trump is a huge mistake. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #11
Completely agree. We are the party of laws and rules ALBliberal Jun 2019 #19
Wait for it . . . Vidal Jun 2019 #26
+1000 Nevermypresident Jun 2019 #49
Both can happen. Just do your job, as required by ecstatic Jun 2019 #13
She is doing her job. Her job isn't to issue a poll and do what some people want. ehrnst Jun 2019 #66
I'm in complete agreement with her! Let's wait. RainCaster Jun 2019 #16
As someone else asked, what if he is re-elected? What then? Tipperary Jun 2019 #34
So is Nancy saying that Trump belongs in prison, but "please don't make me... JoeOtterbein Jun 2019 #18
No kidding. cwydro Jun 2019 #23
She made that as an offhand statement in weekly check-in meeting, it's not a policy statement ehrnst Jun 2019 #67
Excellent strategy! Richard D Jun 2019 #21
Amen to that. Vinca Jun 2019 #25
trump will be reelected rampartc Jun 2019 #27
The Speaker needs to make the case Ponietz Jun 2019 #28
Nancy Pelosi hints at her real plan: putting Donald Trump in prison Vidal Jun 2019 #29
If Trump gets re-elected watoos Jun 2019 #32
very smart Vidal Jun 2019 #36
"once Donald Trump is no longer in office, he'll be indicted" Vidal Jun 2019 #35
In the scenario where Trump loses in 2020 he'll be indicted and arrested in January 2021 Vidal Jun 2019 #38
What Nick Akerman said last night on TV - impeachment is coming this year Vidal Jun 2019 #39
This issue is beginning to divide the Democrats. kentuck Jun 2019 #40
Democrats not all agreeing with each other doesn't mean Democrats are divided EffieBlack Jun 2019 #41
Exactly! kentuck Jun 2019 #43
Yes. Disaster. Vidal Jun 2019 #45
It will fail if brought to a House vote Vidal Jun 2019 #44
do a practice run on AG BArr, perhaps then democrats will find their courage to go big beachbum bob Jun 2019 #48
Pelosi needs to quit being afraid, lets go after Barr NOW for godsakes beachbum bob Jun 2019 #47
Why do you think she's making decisions out of fear? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2019 #64
Broke, incarcerated, hospitalized, permanent intervention or any combination. gordianot Jun 2019 #50
Broke would be best Vidal Jun 2019 #52
I agree! gordianot Jun 2019 #59
We all want him in prison, but if we don't impeach we may very well lose 2020 brush Jun 2019 #53
Right: After public testimony then everyone will know he's a criminal Vidal Jun 2019 #57
I'd like to see Trump in prison but the chances of that are zero. Sounds good though. jalan48 Jun 2019 #54
Not zero. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #55
Right-that's out next big hope now that the Mueller investigation fizzled out? It will never happen. jalan48 Jun 2019 #56
it could happen Vidal Jun 2019 #60
We can't even impeach him and yet he might go to prison? It wasn't that long ago Mueller jalan48 Jun 2019 #61
But once he is no longer president, he could be indicted and convicted of crimes. Vidal Jun 2019 #62
When's the last time that happened? We have Impeachment as long as we control the House. That's it. jalan48 Jun 2019 #63
It was an offhand remark in a meeting, and reported anonymously. ehrnst Jun 2019 #65

Ferrets are Cool

(20,965 posts)
3. They can't do both?
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:49 PM
Jun 2019

Why take the chance that America is stupid enough to elect him twice. Hell, America elected bush jr. twice even though he was a known war criminal at the time.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
12. They can either do both or neither. The scenario Pelosi described
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:31 PM
Jun 2019

Does not exist in reality (where he goes to jail without being impeached) unless her plan is to allow this man she feels should be in jail to run the country for at least another 18 months first. That statement (if accurate) is the equivalent of saying “I hate him more than you do and I’m not willing to do anything about it”

 

Nuggets

(525 posts)
14. No
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:48 PM
Jun 2019

Its the equivalent of saying impeachment may be in the favor of Trump and if the voters have a modicum of intelligence they should understand why by now or they are playing games being slow as pine tar in winter to grasp the concept here.
I want to see him in prison, but apparently many here want to help him escape accountability by immediately impeaching and allowing Trump to be acquitted or pardoned.

This isn’t rocket science and it would be immoral to impeach and allow him to getaway with this scott free.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
15. If impeachment fails, it doesn't give him immunity from prosecution after he leaves office.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:59 PM
Jun 2019

If she believes he should be in jail, and they have enough evidence, doesn't she have a responsibility to make the case? If we have the evidence, make the republican representatives vote against charges and the senators vote to "acquit" a man when we can make the case that he committed serious crimes.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
6. And if he's reelected, then what?
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:53 PM
Jun 2019

Don't assume he can't be. This country is a bottomless pit of stupidity.

PufPuf23

(8,579 posts)
20. To not impeach Trump, increases the likelihood that Trump will be
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:18 AM
Jun 2019

re-elected in 2020.

I would go so far to project that Trump is likely to win re-election in 2020 if not impeached.

Not impeaching Trump is likely to cause a chasm and lower voter turn out within the Democratic party.

Agree about that bottomless pit thing ….

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
51. I do not know how I missed your thread Vidal
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:08 AM
Jun 2019

but I did. I am a fan of Pelosi. On another thread you mentioned you already
posted this ... thanks, and sorry I missed it.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
33. Excellent point.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:41 AM
Jun 2019

And they’re gonna look pretty stupid then. I fervently hope that he is not reelected, but if he is, I will be waiting to hear from those on this board who argued against impeachment.

mcar

(42,098 posts)
37. Yep
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:08 AM
Jun 2019

Media and Democrats should be asking "where are the Republicans?" every day. Instead it's Dems in Disarray, 24/7.

If and when Democrats initiate impeachment inquries, it'll be "are Democrats overreaching?"

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
10. Yes Politico. The same Politico
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:22 PM
Jun 2019

that had numerous articles like this one during the 2016 elections. They are pro Republican. I'm also seeing this comment "Americans think t-rump will win" in 2020 popping up I guess from a poll that polled 1,000 people.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
58. It's The Same As Media Pundits Quoting People They've Talked To Across The Country
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:18 AM
Jun 2019

aka their friends and relatives

Hekate

(89,631 posts)
8. Donny Deutsch thinks the Dems need to rebrand & open a pile of "criminal inquiries" instead
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:19 PM
Jun 2019

The more he explained himself, the better I liked it.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
30. I didn't like Donny's premise,
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:27 AM
Jun 2019

that the word impeachment was the problem. Trump being impeached would devastate him.

Donny also admitted that it would be easier for Democrats to get subpoenas honored under an impeachment inquiry, especially the grand jury testimony. I doubt that Democrats ever see the grand jury information under regular hearings.

SunSeeker

(51,058 posts)
11. Not impeaching Trump is a huge mistake.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:23 PM
Jun 2019

Setting aside for a moment that an impeachment inquiry is the right thing to do and the House's Constitutional duty under these circumstances, even if you are looking at it from a purely political strategy calculation, not impeaching will hurt Democrats and help Trump. Impeachment will not help Trump, it will showcase his crimes like it did with Richard Nixon. That will damage Trump, like it did Nixon:

Richard Nixon’s approval rating was at 65 percent when his impeachment process began and only 19 percent of the public supported his impeachment. By the end, the numbers had flipped: his approval was 24 percent and support for impeachment was 57 percent. 


https://www.gq.com/story/democrats-impeaching-trump

ALBliberal

(2,254 posts)
19. Completely agree. We are the party of laws and rules
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:09 AM
Jun 2019

and order and upholding them. Don’t let him run on “the Dems didn’t impeach me so I’m innocent “!!!

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
26. Wait for it . . .
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:07 AM
Jun 2019

we'll get to "impeachment" and everything Nadler, Schiff, Cummings, et al are doing now is all part of a long game that leads to formal "impeachment" proceedings in the house. But they have preliminary steps to get through first.

ecstatic

(32,414 posts)
13. Both can happen. Just do your job, as required by
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 10:36 PM
Jun 2019

the Constitution! I'm not buying this story, BTW. Sounds like bullshit meant to appease and quiet us pro-impeachers down.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
66. She is doing her job. Her job isn't to issue a poll and do what some people want.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:19 AM
Jun 2019

Her job, as she was chosen to do by her peers, is to decide what the best course of action is.

She has far more experience and access to information that either you or I do, BTW.

And this statement is secondhand from people who say that she said it in an offhand way.

RainCaster

(10,504 posts)
16. I'm in complete agreement with her! Let's wait.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:03 PM
Jun 2019

If the choices are to impeach or wait until he's out of office, I'll wait. Like Nancy, I want to see that SOB in prison. Along with the rest of his grifting family.

JoeOtterbein

(7,694 posts)
18. So is Nancy saying that Trump belongs in prison, but "please don't make me...
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:06 AM
Jun 2019

...impeach" him? How does that make any sense?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
67. She made that as an offhand statement in weekly check-in meeting, it's not a policy statement
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:26 AM
Jun 2019

Pelosi (D-Calif.) told five of her committee chairmen Tuesday night during their weekly check-in about the status of investigations that she would rather see Trump defeated in 2020 and facing charges of a crime after leaving office — than impeached and acquitted by the Republican-led Senate.

“I don’t want to see him impeached. I want to see him in prison,” Pelosi said, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share private conversations.

"They agreed to keep all options on the table and continue to move forward with an aggressive hearing and legislative strategy, as early as next week, to address the president's corruption and abuses of power uncovered in the report," the spokeswoman, Ashley Etienne, said in a statement Wednesday.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/pelosi-reportedly-told-democrats-she-would-rather-see-trump-prison-n1014516

Richard D

(8,624 posts)
21. Excellent strategy!
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:25 AM
Jun 2019

Don't impeach. Hope he doesn't get re-selected in the upcoming election. If he wins, just wait 4 more years to throw him in prison after the statute of limitations run out. Or he dies from hamburders. Or fucks up the country and world beyond any hope of repair.

rampartc

(5,190 posts)
27. trump will be reelected
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:19 AM
Jun 2019

whether he is impeached or not unless we work hard and get everyone to show up on election day. not only on the west coast and the northeast either.

I will go one farther. trump will be reelected unless we nominate great candidates all down the ticket, candidates who can explain that nihilism is not going to solve our problems,

Ponietz

(2,885 posts)
28. The Speaker needs to make the case
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:20 AM
Jun 2019

for how non-impeachment increases the likelihood of prison for Schlump.
Call me dense, but I don’t see it.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
32. If Trump gets re-elected
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:37 AM
Jun 2019

that means that Republicans hold the Senate, but it also means we can kiss our democracy goodbye. In the words of former assistant director of counterintelligence for the FBI, Frank Figluzzi, in 5 to 7 years historians may look upon 2019 as the year that Congress gave up its oversight obligations.

If Speaker Pelosi called a 9PM press conference and laid out the grounds for impeachment, it would be powerful and would change the narrative and unite all Democrats.

I keep repeating this because I believe it, Speaker Pelosi was also Speaker in 2010 when Republicans flipped 64 seats and that's why she is putting more emphasis on the politics of impeachment, she doesn't want a repeat of history.

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
36. very smart
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:01 AM
Jun 2019

your comment is right on -- she is looking at the politics and is totally focused on the 2020 election which we must win to keep our democracy.

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
35. "once Donald Trump is no longer in office, he'll be indicted"
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:49 AM
Jun 2019

Per the Palmer Report:

once Donald Trump is no longer in office, he’ll be indicted at the federal level for obstruction of justice. He’ll be put on trial for it, he’ll almost surely be convicted, and he’ll go to prison. The feds at the SDNY have also made clear that they’ll indict Trump for felony campaign finance violations. Even if this all somehow gets derailed, New York State has made clear that it’ll pounce on Trump the minute he’s no longer in office. The question is when that’s going to happen.


https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/nancy-pelosi-prison-plan-trump/18458/

Nancy has a game plan. She knows Trump can be convicted of crimes. To her the endgame is Trump losing in 2020. Everything she does is focused on that.
 

Vidal

(642 posts)
38. In the scenario where Trump loses in 2020 he'll be indicted and arrested in January 2021
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:10 AM
Jun 2019

this is Pelosi's game plan

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
39. What Nick Akerman said last night on TV - impeachment is coming this year
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:14 AM
Jun 2019

Akerman is one of my favorite analysts. He worked on the Watergate case, and he is very knowledgeable.

He said last night that he thinks the House will start impeachment proceedings against Trump later this year.

He said that the complexity of the case requires people to be better educated on Trump's crimes (which include tax evasion, money laundering, etc) before that step is taken. And that it is happening via the ongoing Judiciary Committee's investigations.

In short: BE PATIENT. All will be revealed.

They have started the impeachment "process" but are not yet calling it "impeachment" --- yet.

kentuck

(110,858 posts)
40. This issue is beginning to divide the Democrats.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:22 AM
Jun 2019

It seems to me?

Why not let the whole House vote to see if they believe an impeachment inquiry should begin? If the entire House votes to begin the inquiry, then let the House Judiciary and Nadler manage it?

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
41. Democrats not all agreeing with each other doesn't mean Democrats are divided
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:39 AM
Jun 2019

It means we're not unthinking robots like the Republicans.

And if you think Dems are divided now, wait to see what happens if they vote to "see if they believe an impeachment inquiry should begin." There aren't enough votes to proceed and if Democrats vote now and defeat a resolution, it would be a disaster.

Pelosi knows that and isn't going to let the "Impeachment NOW or Else" crowd goad her into leading her troops into a sure slaughter.

kentuck

(110,858 posts)
43. Exactly!
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:54 AM
Jun 2019

"And if you think Dems are divided now, wait to see what happens if they vote to "see if they believe an impeachment inquiry should begin." There aren't enough votes to proceed and if Democrats vote now and defeat a resolution, it would be a disaster."

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
44. It will fail if brought to a House vote
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:57 AM
Jun 2019

everything I've read said only about 50 House Dems will vote to impeach. So Nancy won't bring it to a vote until she's sure it will pass. She's doing the right thing.

gordianot

(15,220 posts)
50. Broke, incarcerated, hospitalized, permanent intervention or any combination.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:02 AM
Jun 2019

Trump is already disgraced and the object of scorn.

brush

(52,869 posts)
53. We all want him in prison, but if we don't impeach we may very well lose 2020
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:53 AM
Jun 2019

And of course I mean after public testimony which gets the public on board with impeachment.

 

Vidal

(642 posts)
57. Right: After public testimony then everyone will know he's a criminal
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:08 AM
Jun 2019

then what Pelosi plans is to start calling it "impeachment" at that time.

jalan48

(13,750 posts)
56. Right-that's out next big hope now that the Mueller investigation fizzled out? It will never happen.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:03 AM
Jun 2019

jalan48

(13,750 posts)
61. We can't even impeach him and yet he might go to prison? It wasn't that long ago Mueller
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:25 AM
Jun 2019

was connecting the dots and Trump's days were numbered. Now it's Trump might go to prison. Fantasy land.

jalan48

(13,750 posts)
63. When's the last time that happened? We have Impeachment as long as we control the House. That's it.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:37 AM
Jun 2019

Imagining something else is just diversion at this point in time.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
65. It was an offhand remark in a meeting, and reported anonymously.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 08:17 AM
Jun 2019
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/pelosi-reportedly-told-democrats-she-would-rather-see-trump-prison-n1014516

NBC News confirmed that Pelosi said, "I don't want to see him impeached, I want to see him in prison."

Politico did not characterize the full context or tone of Pelosi's comment, but a congressional aide who was in the room told NBC News that her remark was "consistent with her position that Trump needs to be removed electorally in 2020."

The Washington Post also said two sources told the paper that the meeting was not particularly contentious and that they described Pelosi's comments as offhand.

"They agreed to keep all options on the table and continue to move forward with an aggressive hearing and legislative strategy, as early as next week, to address the president's corruption and abuses of power uncovered in the report," the spokeswoman, Ashley Etienne, said in a statement Wednesday.
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