Thank You Cenk Uygur

[Xicano]

President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act, a decision being defended by some partisan Democrats. The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur breaks down specifics in the bill to refute the claims made by the defenders of Obama and the NDAA.

[Tx4obama]

1. Hey Cenk you got it WRONG - YOU missed a BIG IMPORTANT DETAIL

the bill is good for ONLY fiscal year 2012. A new/different one will have to be signed in 2012 for the year 2013.

The bill is titled: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012

So, NO there will not be any other President other than Obama that will be affected by this bill.

What is in THIS bill will not be in effect when another President takes office, there will be OTHER bills passed before then.

[Tx4obama]

5. Yes, he did. He mentioned 'future presidents'.

Cenk failed to mention:

1. NDAA is revised every year.
2. The Obama administration actually did NOT request the wording to be changed (the video on the internet of Senator Levin saying so has been proven to be FAKE/doctored)
3. The NDAA bill was veto proof, it got 2/3 vote.

[MNBrewer]

18. "veto proof" Only because Obama told the Democrats he was going to cave on the veto threat

[Sirveri]

31. It passed with over a 2/3, they could still have not voted for it.

Saying Congress isn't complicit in this is kind of silly. It was going to pass over a veto.

[Sirveri]

30. I'd like more info on the Levin video being doctored.

If true I will need to revise some things.

Also military spending is a two year bill to my knowledge (this is a constitutional thing A1S8 "To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;&quot . Unless this one is slated to expire annually.

[Tx4obama]

36. Here a link regarding the Senator Levin video

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002121455

[wobblie]

7. ignorance does not make it true

The only part of the NDAA which must be renewed annually is the appropriations portions. The "legal" indefinite detention of Americans without trial is now law. The creation of extra-judicial military commissions for the trial of American citizens is now law. The only aspects of the law that needs to be renewed annually is the amount of money appropriated for the detention centers and the military commissions. There is no "sunset" provision contained in the statute. The Patriot Act as originally passed had a "sunset" provision. With the re-authorizations and amendments to that Act, I am no longer certain that it contains a "sunset" any longer. The NDAA was a fiscal bill, the provisions we are discussing were amendments added, and are not fiscal in nature and thus do not need annual congressional authorization.

[_ed_]

8. You are wrong

Only the spending and appropriations portions need to be renewed. The sections dealing with detention are permanent law, not subject to renewal.

[girl gone mad]

22. What if you happen to be wrong about this "BIG IMPORTANT DETAIL"?

I mean, it's really big and important. Surely, you can't still support NDAA if this detail is actually not true at all.

[99th_Monkey]

2. Honestly, how can anyone take this "Terrahist" BS seriously anymore?

War is a cruel and inhumane racket,

a bloody anti-democratic racket,

but now it's a war on "terrah",

an "endless" bloodletting we r told,

politician leeches suck up the gold,

so somehow never ever make that bold,

stroke that might set us all free at last.

Gawd help us.

[DrDan]

3. not unlike several DUers have been claiming - but one more clear explanation does not hurt

this, of course, will be trashed by a few

[dougolat]

6. If the truth hurts, bear it. (nt)

[NorthCarolina]

9. Why was NDAA even deemed necessary after 230+ years without it? nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. Campaign season requires bogeymen to frighten the voters.

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” H.L. Mencken

[HangOnKids]

35. Hobgoblins

Love Mencken!

[bvar22]

10. A DURec, and a kick for Cenk.

As usual, Cenk gets it right (again).

It is getting harder and harder for even the most bitter partisans to defend this latest outrage.





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not by their excuses.
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[Efilroft Sul]

24. Double-kick.

And some of the bitter partisans will spin so much that their grandchildren will be born dizzy.

[Leftest]

11. Yes thank you Cenk and thanks for posting the vid Xicano

How anybody can defend this is beyond me. Looks like to me the 1% know things are going to get worse for the 99% and the Occupy movement has them scared. What other reason has happened recently to explain this constitutional gutting law? If that's the case and I don't see otherwise. Then citizens are the primary target for this law.

[dreamnightwind]

29. +1

That's what worries me, too. The system has shown itself incapable of and unwilling to reform. So civil disobedience is about all we have left. TPTB can see that, too, and they're busy giving themselves tools to deal with civil unrest. They'd rather lock up infuriated citizens than listen to them and serve their interests.

[frylock]

12. kick

[Pisces]

13. Fuck Cenk, he is a out for ratings. The Hannity of the left!!

[SaintPete]

14. care to refute what he said?

or just continue to throw USELESS insults, because that's so much more effective?

[Cali_Democrat]

20. You're gonna have to do better than that

[girl gone mad]

23. So what if he is?

What does that have to do with the content of the video? Was what he said wrong?

[sabrina 1]

25. Where is he wrong?

[bvar22]

27. The same depth and insight as a monkey throwing feces at the wall.

Thanks for your thoughtful input to this discussion.

[fascisthunter]

34. nfneeemur nub dub durrrr

[Uncle Joe]

16. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Xicano.

[NSojac]

17. Even if NDAA doesn't apply to american citizens: H.R. 3166: Enemy Expatriation Act

"To add engaging in or supporting hostilities against the United States to the list of acts for which United States nationals would lose their nationality."

[theaocp]

19. K&R

When you don't veto something, we'll never know if your veto could have been overridden. Don't complain about the outcome when you didn't use the tools available to you.

[Tarheel_Dem]

21. Try harder Cenk! How's that "Operation Uncommitted" working out for ya?

[sabrina 1]

26. What in this video do you disagree with him on?

[fascisthunter]

33. funny boy isn't able to respond....

poor poor deluded one.

[Quantess]

37. off topic, is anyone else wondering what's going on with the ROFL smilie at DU3?

Some people use it every single post even when there clearly is nothing funny. Usually they use it when their post has absolutely no substance.

[Quantess]

28. Don't blame the messenger.

[fascisthunter]

32. YES they are, and will be for History Books to Remind

they should feel proud!