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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
Mon May 20, 2019, 07:29 PM May 2019

"The Judiciary branch is strong and WE. WILL. HOLD"

A few weeks ago, a dear old friend, a Republican-appointed federal judge, trying to console me during a moment of despair about the future of our country, said to me “The Judiciary branch is strong and will hold.” When I expressed skepticism, he leaned toward me, looked me dead in the eye, and said as firmly as he could without shouting: “We are strong and WE. WILL. HOLD.”

Today, thanks to Judge Mehta, I think he may be right ...

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"The Judiciary branch is strong and WE. WILL. HOLD" (Original Post) EffieBlack May 2019 OP
Thank you, and thank your friend. elleng May 2019 #1
Only The Constitution and our Democratic Republic depend on that. mobeau69 May 2019 #2
May it be so. Amen. Blessed Be irisblue May 2019 #21
Right on, you can say that again. grantcart May 2019 #25
May it be so. Amen. Blessed Be irisblue May 2019 #21
What did he have to say about SCOTUS and current state of DOJ under Barr? hlthe2b May 2019 #3
We didn't discuss that. EffieBlack May 2019 #4
+1 Chin music May 2019 #46
The thing about judges is that they are *very* protective of their own role The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #5
I agree. Except for a few they are more interested about being concerned with being a good judge grantcart May 2019 #27
I LOVE this StarfishSaver May 2019 #6
I'm glad you shared that. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #7
Yes. Thanks Effie for paying it forward. NT FreepFryer May 2019 #8
Thank you, EffieBlack. sheshe2 May 2019 #9
So true EffieBlack May 2019 #10
Sounds like the lynchings in the south. sheshe2 May 2019 #12
average ppl have and always will be our salvation Kurt V. May 2019 #11
Let's see if Chief Justice Roberts feels the same-- dawg day May 2019 #13
The ghost of Chief Justice Roger Taney haunts the chambers of Chief Roberts. empedocles May 2019 #16
And that is why McConnell is approving so many far right Judges. guillaumeb May 2019 #14
meanwhile limbaugh attacks good judges to send attacks their way certainot May 2019 #33
Agreed. guillaumeb May 2019 #40
Amen! spanone May 2019 #15
Yep malaise May 2019 #17
How strong was the system Rambling Man May 2019 #38
As of November watoos May 2019 #18
1 in 6 federal judges was appointed by Trump. Meaning 5 out of 6 weren't StarfishSaver May 2019 #19
Thank you so much, EffieBlack. My working theory has been that the judicial branch pnwmom May 2019 #20
I Am Very Grateful for Judge Mehta's Well-Reasoned Opinion dlk May 2019 #23
A lifelong friend who is a retired Republican (Catholic) judge told me grantcart May 2019 #24
Your analysis gives me hope, Effie mcar May 2019 #26
I hope so Horse with no Name May 2019 #28
"We will hold", yes, we will saidsimplesimon May 2019 #29
K & R Progressive Jones May 2019 #30
Now repugs see things differently! SCVDem May 2019 #31
May it be so. KnR Hekate May 2019 #32
That's why duforsure May 2019 #34
"The judiciary is strong and will hold." Deep breath. :) Hortensis May 2019 #35
I'm not sure about that. OliverQ May 2019 #36
My friend is well aware of that EffieBlack May 2019 #37
While there are some unqualified Trumpsters NewJeffCT May 2019 #41
You're such an amazing, interesting person . . . Rambling Man May 2019 #39
I rec your post in hope amb123 May 2019 #42
Yes seta1950 May 2019 #43
Hope So colsohlibgal May 2019 #44
I have heard this. Lawrence O'Donnell had some people on last night who said this strongly pdsimdars May 2019 #45
Considering how Mitch helped steal a SCOTUS position as well as the other replacement on cstanleytech May 2019 #47
Thanks for the encouraging anecdote. yonder May 2019 #48
Thank you for your post. emmaverybo May 2019 #49
I wish I could be confident, cilla4progress May 2020 #50
Kick back to the top n/t malaise Jul 2020 #51
Yes your Post from May had me thinking back then StClone Nov 2020 #52
The courts have been tossing Trump lawyers out on their butts all week EffieBlack Nov 2020 #53
Yes on this StClone Nov 2020 #54
Maybe. But right now, the Judiciary is holding. That's what matters EffieBlack Nov 2020 #55

The Velveteen Ocelot

(116,659 posts)
5. The thing about judges is that they are *very* protective of their own role
Mon May 20, 2019, 07:34 PM
May 2019

as one of the three equal branches of government. They don't like being fucked with by the other branches (I once clerked for an appellate judge and I saw this attitude IRL). And someday the Supremes are going to rule against Trump in some case or other - we've already seen a couple of cases where both Kavanaugh and Gorsuch have sided with the four liberals - and Trump will explode with fury. His tweets will be epic.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
27. I agree. Except for a few they are more interested about being concerned with being a good judge
Mon May 20, 2019, 09:07 PM
May 2019

Than a good Republican or Democrat.

If they are real partisans then they would go to a more partisan branch.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
7. I'm glad you shared that.
Mon May 20, 2019, 07:36 PM
May 2019

That does make me feel better. Russia & Trump have dirtied our government in so many way, including the judiciary...but we don't know the extent of it. It helps to know it may not be as bad as I imagined.

sheshe2

(84,557 posts)
9. Thank you, EffieBlack.
Mon May 20, 2019, 07:39 PM
May 2019

I haven't lost hope of the procedures that MUST be followed. Straight down the line and follow the rule of law to a Tee. Fact is we are the ones that uphold the law and not break it on a whim. If we did that we would be no better than them.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
10. So true
Mon May 20, 2019, 07:43 PM
May 2019

That’s what so many in the “hang him first and then do the trial” crowd don’t understand. If we’re going to turn into them in order to beat them, what’s the point?

sheshe2

(84,557 posts)
12. Sounds like the lynchings in the south.
Mon May 20, 2019, 07:53 PM
May 2019

Or perhaps Stand Your Ground, Ferguson and child named Michael. Hang first. Shoot first.

No thanks. I will follow the laws and not the law that people take into their own hands.

If we’re going to turn into them in order to beat them, what’s the point?


dawg day

(7,947 posts)
13. Let's see if Chief Justice Roberts feels the same--
Mon May 20, 2019, 07:57 PM
May 2019

He's conscious of his reputation, so maybe he'll stand up for the judiciary independence.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
16. The ghost of Chief Justice Roger Taney haunts the chambers of Chief Roberts.
Mon May 20, 2019, 08:01 PM
May 2019

Hope the ghost keeps on haunting.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
33. meanwhile limbaugh attacks good judges to send attacks their way
Mon May 20, 2019, 10:24 PM
May 2019

first a judge named 'mehta' and then another judge named 'ramos' - rw radio will have plenty of ammo for the racist assholes

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
40. Agreed.
Tue May 21, 2019, 02:32 PM
May 2019

Limbaugh is one part of a far right media that attempts to set the limits of what is seen as possible.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
18. As of November
Mon May 20, 2019, 08:29 PM
May 2019

Trump had appointed 154 federal judges, don’t know what the number is now. He has appointed more appeals court judges than any president.
How can you feel calm?
Oh yeah, 1 in 6 federal judges has been appointed by Trump.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
19. 1 in 6 federal judges was appointed by Trump. Meaning 5 out of 6 weren't
Mon May 20, 2019, 08:39 PM
May 2019

What do you think the alternative to being calm is? Setting my hair on fire? That's a waste of my time and not productive

And no, he hasn't appointed more appeals court judges than any other president. He's appointed more than any other president at this stage in their presidency.

pnwmom

(109,068 posts)
20. Thank you so much, EffieBlack. My working theory has been that the judicial branch
Mon May 20, 2019, 08:51 PM
May 2019

would not be as willing to give up their power as the Republicans in Congress.

I hope your friend speaks for many.

dlk

(11,711 posts)
23. I Am Very Grateful for Judge Mehta's Well-Reasoned Opinion
Mon May 20, 2019, 09:02 PM
May 2019

This opinion was a very big win for America and the rule of law.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
24. A lifelong friend who is a retired Republican (Catholic) judge told me
Mon May 20, 2019, 09:03 PM
May 2019

"If the Democratic Party doesn't win by a landslide in 2020 the Republic is lost"

The Judiciary will buy us time but there is only one path to salvation a broad and sustained denoucement by a wide spectrum of the American people.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
29. "We will hold", yes, we will
Mon May 20, 2019, 09:15 PM
May 2019

It's a bi-partisan effort. Rumpublicans, like Mitch the Russian agent, raking in big bucks, have a financial interest in the outcome. I'm retired on a modest, earned income.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
31. Now repugs see things differently!
Mon May 20, 2019, 09:23 PM
May 2019

It was perfectly acceptable to mention second amendment remedies while running against Harry Reid.

Please note that this was NEVER advocated by ANY Democrat!

I seriously question what equal rights means.

I am proud to be a non violent Democrat and will not stoop to their level of fear and violence!

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
34. That's why
Tue May 21, 2019, 06:16 AM
May 2019

trump will be threatening any judges he doesn't have compromised, even republican judges, and republican members of Congress.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. "The judiciary is strong and will hold." Deep breath. :)
Tue May 21, 2019, 06:27 AM
May 2019

I believed that and have been proud of how resilient our government has been. But the corruption is much farther along than I think even the most sophisticated observers realized before this, and our system of checks and balances has failed, even if it turns out to be not completely broken. Who would have believed both Republican congressional caucuses would turn traitor? Unbelievable. And the highest courts are mostly still to be tested.

...and release. Our. Courts. Will. Hold.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
36. I'm not sure about that.
Tue May 21, 2019, 07:15 AM
May 2019

McConnell has been stacking the courts with far-right extremists who will let Trump get anyway with anything.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
37. My friend is well aware of that
Tue May 21, 2019, 09:49 AM
May 2019

as well as many other things we don’t know.

So I’ll take him at his word.

NewJeffCT

(56,830 posts)
41. While there are some unqualified Trumpsters
Tue May 21, 2019, 02:42 PM
May 2019

and/or right wing whack jobs, I think a majority of the appointees are just straight conservatives. Some of them should respect the Rule of Law and the Constitution.

Rambling Man

(249 posts)
39. You're such an amazing, interesting person . . .
Tue May 21, 2019, 09:57 AM
May 2019

you should write a screenplay about your life!

George Lucas himself couldn't write anything more compelling than your IRL experiences.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
44. Hope So
Tue May 21, 2019, 06:46 PM
May 2019

But....what if Trump keeps stonewalling courts, rulings, everything. This is the first time In my life where I am not sure how things turn out.....as Rachel lamented as she ended her show the other day folks may want to steer clear of 5th Avenue.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
45. I have heard this. Lawrence O'Donnell had some people on last night who said this strongly
Tue May 21, 2019, 06:47 PM
May 2019

But one thing I thought about was that too many people are waiting for the Judiciary to "hold the line".
But Mitch and Trump are working FEVERISHLY to "gerrymander" the courts, to "fix" them to their liking so that we will no longer get the just decision but their partisan decision. I think we need to shake ourselves to NOT get complacent about this fact, not get complacent that the Judicial will be there to bail us out.

cstanleytech

(26,485 posts)
47. Considering how Mitch helped steal a SCOTUS position as well as the other replacement on
Tue May 21, 2019, 08:59 PM
May 2019

SCOTUS I have doubts that the courts themselves will be able to survive in the long term without tilting to far and issue rulings that truly would have appalled the founding fathers.

StClone

(11,714 posts)
52. Yes your Post from May had me thinking back then
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:29 PM
Nov 2020

Yes the Judiciary will hold on things where it is obvious and not consequential to the Billionaires direct affairs. But whenever our needs and wishes are Constitutionally protected, though not thoroughly delineated, their rulings favor the toxic rich.

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