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Mon May 20, 2019, 07:29 PM

"The Judiciary branch is strong and WE. WILL. HOLD"

A few weeks ago, a dear old friend, a Republican-appointed federal judge, trying to console me during a moment of despair about the future of our country, said to me “The Judiciary branch is strong and will hold.” When I expressed skepticism, he leaned toward me, looked me dead in the eye, and said as firmly as he could without shouting: “We are strong and WE. WILL. HOLD.”

Today, thanks to Judge Mehta, I think he may be right ...

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Reply "The Judiciary branch is strong and WE. WILL. HOLD" (Original post)
EffieBlack May 20 OP
elleng May 20 #1
mobeau69 May 20 #2
irisblue May 20 #21
grantcart May 20 #25
irisblue May 20 #21
hlthe2b May 20 #3
EffieBlack May 20 #4
Chin music May 21 #46
The Velveteen Ocelot May 20 #5
grantcart May 20 #27
StarfishSaver May 20 #6
Honeycombe8 May 20 #7
FreepFryer May 20 #8
sheshe2 May 20 #9
EffieBlack May 20 #10
sheshe2 May 20 #12
Kurt V. May 20 #11
dawg day May 20 #13
empedocles May 20 #16
guillaumeb May 20 #14
certainot May 20 #33
guillaumeb May 21 #40
spanone May 20 #15
malaise May 20 #17
Rambling Man May 21 #38
watoos May 20 #18
StarfishSaver May 20 #19
pnwmom May 20 #20
dlk May 20 #23
grantcart May 20 #24
mcar May 20 #26
Horse with no Name May 20 #28
saidsimplesimon May 20 #29
Progressive Jones May 20 #30
SCVDem May 20 #31
Hekate May 20 #32
duforsure May 21 #34
Hortensis May 21 #35
OliverQ May 21 #36
EffieBlack May 21 #37
NewJeffCT May 21 #41
Rambling Man May 21 #39
amb123 May 21 #42
seta1950 May 21 #43
colsohlibgal May 21 #44
pdsimdars May 21 #45
cstanleytech May 21 #47
yonder May 22 #48
emmaverybo May 23 #49

Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 07:30 PM

1. Thank you, and thank your friend.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 07:31 PM

2. Only The Constitution and our Democratic Republic depend on that.

Lord, hear our prayer.

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #2)

Mon May 20, 2019, 08:54 PM

21. May it be so. Amen. Blessed Be

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Response to irisblue (Reply #21)

Mon May 20, 2019, 09:04 PM

25. Right on, you can say that again.

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #2)

Mon May 20, 2019, 08:54 PM

21. May it be so. Amen. Blessed Be

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 07:32 PM

3. What did he have to say about SCOTUS and current state of DOJ under Barr?

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #3)

Mon May 20, 2019, 07:34 PM

4. We didn't discuss that.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #3)

Tue May 21, 2019, 06:59 PM

46. +1

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 07:34 PM

5. The thing about judges is that they are *very* protective of their own role

as one of the three equal branches of government. They don't like being fucked with by the other branches (I once clerked for an appellate judge and I saw this attitude IRL). And someday the Supremes are going to rule against Trump in some case or other - we've already seen a couple of cases where both Kavanaugh and Gorsuch have sided with the four liberals - and Trump will explode with fury. His tweets will be epic.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #5)

Mon May 20, 2019, 09:07 PM

27. I agree. Except for a few they are more interested about being concerned with being a good judge

Than a good Republican or Democrat.

If they are real partisans then they would go to a more partisan branch.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 07:35 PM

6. I LOVE this

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 07:36 PM

7. I'm glad you shared that.

That does make me feel better. Russia & Trump have dirtied our government in so many way, including the judiciary...but we don't know the extent of it. It helps to know it may not be as bad as I imagined.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 07:38 PM

8. Yes. Thanks Effie for paying it forward. NT

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 07:39 PM

9. Thank you, EffieBlack.

I haven't lost hope of the procedures that MUST be followed. Straight down the line and follow the rule of law to a Tee. Fact is we are the ones that uphold the law and not break it on a whim. If we did that we would be no better than them.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #9)

Mon May 20, 2019, 07:43 PM

10. So true

That’s what so many in the “hang him first and then do the trial” crowd don’t understand. If we’re going to turn into them in order to beat them, what’s the point?

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #10)

Mon May 20, 2019, 07:53 PM

12. Sounds like the lynchings in the south.

Or perhaps Stand Your Ground, Ferguson and child named Michael. Hang first. Shoot first.

No thanks. I will follow the laws and not the law that people take into their own hands.

If we’re going to turn into them in order to beat them, what’s the point?


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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 07:50 PM

11. average ppl have and always will be our salvation

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 07:57 PM

13. Let's see if Chief Justice Roberts feels the same--

He's conscious of his reputation, so maybe he'll stand up for the judiciary independence.

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Response to dawg day (Reply #13)

Mon May 20, 2019, 08:01 PM

16. The ghost of Chief Justice Roger Taney haunts the chambers of Chief Roberts.

Hope the ghost keeps on haunting.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 07:59 PM

14. And that is why McConnell is approving so many far right Judges.

To remake the Judiciary.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #14)

Mon May 20, 2019, 10:24 PM

33. meanwhile limbaugh attacks good judges to send attacks their way

first a judge named 'mehta' and then another judge named 'ramos' - rw radio will have plenty of ammo for the racist assholes

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Response to certainot (Reply #33)

Tue May 21, 2019, 02:32 PM

40. Agreed.

Limbaugh is one part of a far right media that attempts to set the limits of what is seen as possible.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 08:00 PM

15. Amen!

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 08:03 PM

17. Yep

The system is way stronger than this two bit Con and his goons

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Response to malaise (Reply #17)

Tue May 21, 2019, 09:54 AM

38. How strong was the system

that got him elected?

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 08:29 PM

18. As of November

Trump had appointed 154 federal judges, don’t know what the number is now. He has appointed more appeals court judges than any president.
How can you feel calm?
Oh yeah, 1 in 6 federal judges has been appointed by Trump.

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Response to watoos (Reply #18)

Mon May 20, 2019, 08:39 PM

19. 1 in 6 federal judges was appointed by Trump. Meaning 5 out of 6 weren't

What do you think the alternative to being calm is? Setting my hair on fire? That's a waste of my time and not productive

And no, he hasn't appointed more appeals court judges than any other president. He's appointed more than any other president at this stage in their presidency.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 08:51 PM

20. Thank you so much, EffieBlack. My working theory has been that the judicial branch

would not be as willing to give up their power as the Republicans in Congress.

I hope your friend speaks for many.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 09:02 PM

23. I Am Very Grateful for Judge Mehta's Well-Reasoned Opinion

This opinion was a very big win for America and the rule of law.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 09:03 PM

24. A lifelong friend who is a retired Republican (Catholic) judge told me

"If the Democratic Party doesn't win by a landslide in 2020 the Republic is lost"

The Judiciary will buy us time but there is only one path to salvation a broad and sustained denoucement by a wide spectrum of the American people.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 09:05 PM

26. Your analysis gives me hope, Effie

Thanks.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 09:08 PM

28. I hope so

Our country depends on it.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 09:15 PM

29. "We will hold", yes, we will

It's a bi-partisan effort. Rumpublicans, like Mitch the Russian agent, raking in big bucks, have a financial interest in the outcome. I'm retired on a modest, earned income.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 09:18 PM

30. K & R

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 09:23 PM

31. Now repugs see things differently!

It was perfectly acceptable to mention second amendment remedies while running against Harry Reid.

Please note that this was NEVER advocated by ANY Democrat!

I seriously question what equal rights means.

I am proud to be a non violent Democrat and will not stoop to their level of fear and violence!

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 09:27 PM

32. May it be so. KnR

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue May 21, 2019, 06:16 AM

34. That's why

trump will be threatening any judges he doesn't have compromised, even republican judges, and republican members of Congress.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue May 21, 2019, 06:27 AM

35. "The judiciary is strong and will hold." Deep breath. :)

I believed that and have been proud of how resilient our government has been. But the corruption is much farther along than I think even the most sophisticated observers realized before this, and our system of checks and balances has failed, even if it turns out to be not completely broken. Who would have believed both Republican congressional caucuses would turn traitor? Unbelievable. And the highest courts are mostly still to be tested.

...and release. Our. Courts. Will. Hold.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue May 21, 2019, 07:15 AM

36. I'm not sure about that.

McConnell has been stacking the courts with far-right extremists who will let Trump get anyway with anything.

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #36)

Tue May 21, 2019, 09:49 AM

37. My friend is well aware of that

as well as many other things we don’t know.

So I’ll take him at his word.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #37)

Tue May 21, 2019, 02:42 PM

41. While there are some unqualified Trumpsters

and/or right wing whack jobs, I think a majority of the appointees are just straight conservatives. Some of them should respect the Rule of Law and the Constitution.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue May 21, 2019, 09:57 AM

39. You're such an amazing, interesting person . . .

you should write a screenplay about your life!

George Lucas himself couldn't write anything more compelling than your IRL experiences.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue May 21, 2019, 05:09 PM

42. I rec your post in hope

that what the judge said will be so.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue May 21, 2019, 05:21 PM

43. Yes

The judiciary is our only hope

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue May 21, 2019, 06:46 PM

44. Hope So

But....what if Trump keeps stonewalling courts, rulings, everything. This is the first time In my life where I am not sure how things turn out.....as Rachel lamented as she ended her show the other day folks may want to steer clear of 5th Avenue.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue May 21, 2019, 06:47 PM

45. I have heard this. Lawrence O'Donnell had some people on last night who said this strongly

 

But one thing I thought about was that too many people are waiting for the Judiciary to "hold the line".
But Mitch and Trump are working FEVERISHLY to "gerrymander" the courts, to "fix" them to their liking so that we will no longer get the just decision but their partisan decision. I think we need to shake ourselves to NOT get complacent about this fact, not get complacent that the Judicial will be there to bail us out.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Tue May 21, 2019, 08:59 PM

47. Considering how Mitch helped steal a SCOTUS position as well as the other replacement on

SCOTUS I have doubts that the courts themselves will be able to survive in the long term without tilting to far and issue rulings that truly would have appalled the founding fathers.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed May 22, 2019, 04:52 PM

48. Thanks for the encouraging anecdote.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Thu May 23, 2019, 01:49 AM

49. Thank you for your post.

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