Start the fucking impeachment proceedings

[malaise]

That is all

[Blue_Tires]

1. co-signed

[malaise]

21. From EarlG

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212022411#post1

[mainstreetonce]

2. Agreed

We have to do what we have to do.

[Zoonart]

3. Right fucking now.

[Control-Z]

4. They must!!!!

I'm emailing Nancy today.

[mysteryowl]

50. Good idea.

The most corrupt, traitor in American history must be impeached.

[DLevine]

5. Absolutely. nt

[onecaliberal]

6. Right fucking now!!!

[BumRushDaShow]

7. They have to read through the report first

and then draft the Articles. THEN the proceedings can begin. Protocol and all.

[malaise]

11. OK

[BumRushDaShow]

13. This report with give them a whole lot of stuff to load into Impeachment Articles.

[anarch]

8. for real. no more excuses.

It won't get him removed from office, but goddammit we have to at least try to preserve the rule of law.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

35. True dat

[Quemado]

9. A case for waiting

Why not wait until late summer/early fall of 2020, in the middle of the Presidential campaign, before the Senate can hold a trial, in order to do damage to Trump's re-election bid?

If the House impeaches now, that will either result in Trump not getting convicted (or even tried) in the Senate (bad for us; good for Trump), or, if the Senate tries and convicts, that will give Pence (or whoever the nominee is) time to do damage control.

[mainstreetonce]

23. There is a case for waiting.

Is there a precedent that would prevent impeachment while an election is in progress?

[ooky]

25. I believe if the House impeaches him the Senate has no choice about

putting him on trial. Of course, from what we have seen from the Republicans there is zero reason to expect a conviction.

[vsrazdem]

43. I don't think they actually have to have a trial. I think that can just have a closed vote on

his guilt, which will be a big fat NO.

[Bettie]

56. McConnell won't even bring it to the floor

he'll just dither around and scream about obstruction.

[ooky]

58. Don't think he can ignore an impeachment vote like a piece of legislation.

I'm not an expert on the constitution but pretty sure it says if the House impeaches there is supposed to be a trial in the Senate presided over by the Chief Justice of the United States.

Now, with that said, you may be right in the sense the Republicans haven't followed the Constitution on much of anything, so, not sure why this would be any different. Just something else that has to go through the court system while Trump and his lackies run out the clock.

[Bettie]

60. Here's the problem with that

we're assuming that rules and even laws mean anything to them.

They don't.

I honestly don't think that they will even obey court orders anymore. Barr has essentially told them that they now get to do whatever they want to and with the DoJ 100% corrupt, there is no rule of law anymore.

[ooky]

67. That's what I was saying when I said they probably wouldn't

comply with the constitution and just keep on with their obvious strategy of kicking it to the courts and running out the clock. Its very obvious that Barr is a fascist supporting a fascist dictator. That is what our government is now. We can see this taking place before our very eyes. Unfortunately, it is becoming all too clear that the only way we will get rid of this shitshow is to win the Senate and the House in 2020 and impeach and convict him then. Otherwise, everybody may as well learn how to ride this poop wave.

[Bettie]

68. Yeah, but the house should still begin

the investigations and hearings with regard to impeachable offenses.

That's the only way they might possibly get the unredacted report.

Need a day to process...but I'm really afraid that we're about a step away from dictatorship.

[ooky]

72. Agree the House should continue with the investigations and hearings.

Functionally, I feel this is already a dictatorship. When the President can do anything he wants and get away with it, that's dictatorship.

[Bettie]

75. And that is terrifying

our system only works when there is some expectation of a minimum level of ethics from all participants.

They don't even meet the bare minimum, by which I mean they have less than zero in terms of ethical standards.

[ooky]

85. Indeed it is.

And it can still get much, much worse without any of us being able to do anything about it. Thinking "Gestapo".

[Bettie]

86. Honestly, I'm kind of expecting

them to start arresting Democratic congresspersons fairly soon. Committee heads, who dare to issue subpoenas.

[kacekwl]

30. NO.

No more waiting.

[srobertss]

71. Because Dems need to be holding to the law above politics

Somebody around here needs to do that. I have been reluctant on the impeachment move for quite a while. But this so clearly demonstrates he’s either unwilling or incapable of upholding his oath of office that he is endangering our democracy. We all knew this. But here it is in black and white. Dems should move now even if the Republicans won’t convict. And by some miracle and they did, making Pence President, even then. Pence could be far worse as a president because he’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing. But this is our constitutional duty.

[GoCubsGo]

10. And, not just for Trump.

Barr, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh... Time to force that vile POS, Mitch McConnell out, as well.

[malaise]

12. Barr must be disbarred

RFN!!

[GoCubsGo]

16. And, charged and convicted of obstruction of justice.

Eddie Slovik got the firing squad for far less that what these motherfuckers did.

[Harker]

51. I've been thinking of Pvt. Slovik lately.

You're right to bring the relative magnitude of the circumstances into question.

[Freethinker65]

14. Yep. There is enough material in this redacted report to start proceedings

Not to mention what other high crimes and misdemeanors Trump, his campaign, and the WH were instructed to lie about.

Definite obstruction. Loyalty to the President above loyalty to this Nation and its laws.

At a minimum, the country needs to know how far a President can go to protect himself from at least embarrassment and ridicule (he was duped, a useful idiot) and at most committing illegal acts (he knew everything).

[gldstwmn]

15. He obstructed and there was collusion.

Time to go.

[mtnsnake]

17. Absolutely. It's the only way we will ever see the truth and justice.

[Blue Owl]

18. The USA is not a dictatorship run by one man and his fucking crony

[PSPS]

19. Sure. Give trump his victory lap when the senate acquits him.

[honest.abe]

42. Its time we stop letting the Republicans and Trump define what we do.

We need do the right thing regardless of what Trump and his corrupt mob do.

[SlogginThroughIt]

46. Why does it imply that we are letting THEM define it?

They would love nothing more than for us to start the impeachment right now and have them nope it. Waiting lets this hang in the balance and lets us beat him up with it. You hold impeachment now and the senate nopes it then you are trying to sell that everyone in the government is corrupt... Which is exactly what they want you to say.

There is no path to impeachment and conviction. Keep this thing hung around his neck.

[honest.abe]

54. Because you and others are advocating for doing nothing based on what THEY will do.

This issue so important that it does not matter in the least what Trump or the GOP will do or might do. What they think or what they will do should not enter into our minds. They are criminals and they are corrupt. We need make it clear that we as Democrats take this seriously and will try to stop him with whatever power we have and we do have the power to impeach. I agree there may be no path to conviction but we do have a path to impeachment. Lets take it.

[SlogginThroughIt]

79. Where did I advocate doing nothing?

I will wait.

[PSPS]

78. I don't think giving trump a victory lap is "the right thing"

[honest.abe]

82. You have no idea how Trump will react to an impeachment and it doesn't matter anyway.

He is a thoroughly corrupt wannabe dictator and deserves to be impeached more than any person who ever sat in the Oval Office.

[PSPS]

84. He deserves it, but it can't be done. At least not yet. Our system is broken.

[Atticus]

20. Oh, hell no! He's "totally exonerated" and, besides, he's gonna start actin' prezinenshul real

soon! Honest! ********G-A-A-A-G!*******

[malaise]

22. ROFL

[ScratchCat]

24. Yes

1)He admitted guilt with the "I'm Fucked" comment

2)Report clearly details obstruction of justice.

And the day is still young....

[guillaumeb]

26. Long overdue.

That is all.

[LovingA2andMI]

27. Period!!!

It's Time for Nancy Pelosi To TAKE HER WORDS BACK and LET THE HOUSE DO THEIR JOB!!!

[BeyondGeography]

28. If not, we're the Too Divisive, Not Worth It Partry

And good luck with that, folks.

[yaesu]

29. He should have already been impeached over the Stormy daniel's coverup. nt

[spanone]

31. K&R...

[SunSeeker]

32. K & R

[Joe941]

33. I've been calling for this for over 1 year.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

38. Me too. Do it yesterday....running out of time now. Grrrrrr

[DownriverDem]

34. With Nixon

Watergate investigations were going on during Nixon's second term reelection campaign. He won in a landslide winning 49 out of 50 states. McGovern won 1 state (MA) and Washington DC. Watergate investigations continued. After the majority of the country believed that Nixon should be impeached, Goldwater went and told Nixon it's over. His choice was to either resign or be impeached by the House and tried & found guilty by the Senate. Nixon chose to resign. I wish we had a Senate that will do it's job. If trump loses the Nov. 2020 election, he will have to answer to the other 14 investigations going on now. We should just let the election play out.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

36. If they had done what I suggested months ago....draft articles and all they'd have to do

Would be to drop in the latest.....

Infuriating.

[ElementaryPenguin]

37. ABS0-FUCKING-LUTELY!!!

[saljr1]

39. In any other time in history it would be an easy call but you need to convince some Republicans in

Congress to join you. During this divisive period of our country it might be better to just vote this POS out of office. Nancy has a tough call because of the volume of corruption and lying in this report.

[DirtEdonE]

40. Get every Democat in the House in line!

Let them know if they don't vote with the majority they will be utterly ruined. And please don't give me any of that bullshit about being like the repubicans if we do things like that. They enforce order on their members. They win. If that's what it takes, I have no problem whatsoever because I'd like to win next time. We have no other choice but to win.

[FiveGoodMen]

45. Starting with the Speaker

[LovingA2andMI]

77. AMEN TO THIS!!!!

[honest.abe]

41. Agreed.

That is all.

[Ace Rothstein]

44. Yes, the Mueller Report basically calls for this.

[mysteryowl]

47. 100% all in! Impeachment, now!

If the Dems don't do this, well, I don't have words. I am concerned the Speaker Pelosi has said we won't gain anything by impeachment. I could not disagree more.

They impeached Clinton for a BJ! Good grief!

[smirkymonkey]

48. Hear, Hear!

[AdamGG]

49. I'd fear that without 67 votes in the Senate, it would be counterproductive

Trump would claim that the Democrats were being partisan and that he'd been "exonerated" by not being removed from office. After the Republicans impeached Bill Clinton, he became more popular. Obviously, the charges against Clinton were frivolous and Trump is a corrupt traitor, but a large chunk of the population is brainwashed and not very bright.

If the point of impeachment is to draw out evidence in public hearings, can't that be done through other types of investigations. Impeachment proceedings lead to a referral to the Senate and will get shut down there.

[Harker]

53. Every inaction has a bigger and more dangerous reaction.

Harker's Third Law of republican emboldenment.

Don't even ask about the other two, please.

[AdamGG]

63. I think the Repukes will be emboldened by the impeachment bullet being fired & having no effect

Unless Trump has been damaged to the point where a significant number of Republican Senators would vote for impeachment, I think it's better to keep that bullet in the chamber as a threat. Once it's been fired and rendered useless by the kevlar Senate, I think Trump could be emboldened to be even more extreme, because there may be less public patience for a 2nd set of impeachment proceedings.

[Harker]

65. That's an interesting take on it.

We'll see how it shakes out. Shouldn't be very long, I'd think.

[SummerSnow]

52. Conduct unbecoming a human is the first offense

[Power 2 the People]

55. +1000

[nolabear]

57. Damn skippy. And I don't say these things lightly.

John Brennan: “Unprincipled, unethical, obstructionist...” and that was just about Barr.

[malaise]

70. Just the truth - meanwhile the vile MAGAcretin could not recall over 30 times

in the write in interview.

We had a hearing about a military incursion into a community some years ago.

This song summed up the proceedings.

[ancianita]

59. Hell yes. The FULL Mueller Report's evidence for their impeachment case will come out.

They won't need any more testimony for starting impeachment proceedings at that point. The full Mueller Report will have it all.

The only testimony they'll need is Mueller's.

When impeachment indictment passes the House, then fails to get tried by the Republican Senate, no one will have sufficient standing to make their arguments to the SCOTUS.

Even if some organization gets standing to make their case before SCOTUS, SCOTUS will dismiss their case, knowing it would not rule to remove a president, imo.

[Nevermypresident]

61. Throw your "math" out the window and let's do the right thing. These are extraordinary times and we

must do what the framers of our Constitution provided as a remedy. It's evident that Mueller has handed this over to Congress (IMO he was pressured).

For those swing voters who won't bother to read the redacted Mueller report, I believe many would tune in to the Judicial Committee's open impeachment hearings and get the depth of the corruption, abuse of power, and obstruction done by this amoral, above the law president. If the House ends up sending it to the Senate for the trial and trump skates, Republicans may face a backlash from these voters.

[Paladin]

62. Amen. Start the proceedings to kick trump out, and start them NOW. (nt)

[samnsara]

64. join Tom Steyer's Need To Impeach campaign.. you will get FREE pre stamped...

..postcards ....pre addressed to key members of the Judiciary Committee. Ive been holding off on sending them but Im spending all day writing them out!

[brooklynite]

66. No.

That is the reply.

[watoos]

69. Mueller is all but saying, DO IT.

[malaise]

74. Nadler coming up any moment now n/t

[DeminPennswoods]

73. A select House committee at the very least

I do think there is cause now for impeachment, but at least Speaker Pelosi should consolidate the 4 or 5 committees that are independently doing oversight and investigating Trump into a Select Committee to delve into all the information contained in the Mueller report.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

76. YESSSSS!!!!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Iwasthere]

80. YES! Cannot count on 2020 He will do ANYTHING

... to stay in office, ANYTHING !! The office is what keeps him out of jail.

[standingtall]

81. Yep Trump should be impeached

the argument that we should just let the voters decide in 2020, because we don't have the numbers in the Senate should be officially dead now. Part of our message will be Trump is corrupt. Then casual and swing voters are going to ask if he was really so corrupt why was he not impeached? The time for excuses are over the house must have the courage to impeach Trump.

[Lunabell]

83. The Dems need to do something!

He's a fucking traitor.

[Rollo]

87. Time is on our side...

1) Impeachment is basically a political process. It was for Johnson, it was for Clinton, and no doubt will be for Trump.

2) Hold the hearings on the Mueller Report now. Call in Mueller, etc. Get those tax records. If the hearings last through 2019, even better. Then in 2020, draw up the articles of impeachment. Give them to the Senate around the start of summer.

3) McConnell will be on the defensive because twice as many R Senate seats will be up for grabs as D seats. If he refuses to bring the impeachment to the floor for a trial, he loses. The Senate will go D in 2020.

4) If Trump is re-elected (doubtful at this point), then use the new D Senate majority to hear the impeachment charges.

5) If Trump is not re-elected, turn over the case to the new AG and/or the SDNY to pursue criminal charges.

The best scenario is that the House weaponize the Mueller Report both to diminish Trump's chances of re-election, as well as bring in more Dems in the House and Senate. Trump not re-elected, and a solid Dem government.

And then we can begin the healing process.

[vishnura]

88. If you guys in the house need some balls, I am willing to lend mine.