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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYesterday's attacks on Chelsea Clinton were dishonest and disgraceful
In case anyone hasn't seen the video of the incident at NYU:
Link to tweet
Afterward the young woman in the video posted this:
Link to tweet
The young woman was referring to this tweet made by Clinton:
Link to tweet
A tweet that never attacked Omar or stoked Islamophobia. And she ignores this follow up tweet made by Clinton:
Link to tweet
In follow up tweets this woman exposed her own racism against non-muslims:
Link to tweet
This is why the left loses. Instead of attacking those really responsible, we attack our own and that has to stop.
dalton99a
(81,707 posts)OhZone
(3,212 posts)And 6am. She should learn how people commute from the NJ shore to north jersey and NY. Yeah, 6am ain't nuttin.
Oh well.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Cha
(298,046 posts)Cha
(298,046 posts)TwilightZone
(25,517 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Sad.
Cha
(298,046 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(298,046 posts)I wonder why?
Thanks for this one for posterity, George.
manor321
(3,344 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)sheshe2
(84,060 posts)Why does she need funds for her attack on a pregnant woman ( Chelsea Clinton) at a vigil of, now 50 people slaughtered. Would someone please explain this to me? I am not understanding her attack or the GFM page.
Chelsea, an invited member was attacked at a vigil for 50 deaths in a massacre at two Mosques. Chelsea was there to morn them, this women came to disrupt and disrespect the dead and the family and friends that loved them.
Gothmog
(145,894 posts)Cha
(298,046 posts)betsuni
(25,803 posts)I really think that if he can say that about Sarah Sanders getting yelled at in a restaurant, he should say something about Chelsea getting yelled at while at a vigil for the victims of a brutal terrorist attack.
Cha
(298,046 posts)That's a perfect quote to go with this pic of BS and sippin on dat/Leen/@vivafalastin.
Link to tweet
You're absolutely right, betsuni.. BS should be able to say something about Chelsea Clinton getting accosted in the Mosque at the Peaceful Vigil(until hell broke out) if he can stick up for Sarah LyingAss Gaslit Sanders getting asked to leave a restaurant.
Leen is a Divider with her bombastic rheotoric, and does her cause no good. Her own worst enemy.
betsuni
(25,803 posts)Saw a comment about that and thought, oh right, he said that. Jotting it down for future use.
Cha
(298,046 posts)have easily attribute it to you.
But yeah, Twitter is can be a wealth of knowledge!
Mahalo for passing it on! It's forever engraved in my memory bank now.
comradebillyboy
(10,189 posts)lark
(23,193 posts)She/he is a phony, there's another thread showing her many racist and homophobic statements - so 100% freaking no is she a progressive or for real.
ismnotwasm
(42,023 posts)Historic NY
(37,461 posts)mcar
(42,467 posts)Wonder if she's ever protested the real Islamophobes.
DURHAM D
(32,617 posts)Thanks for posting.
Chelsea is the kind of person we need in the debate. Too bad she will never run for office but can not blame her.
shanny
(6,709 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)It was more than one person.
shanny
(6,709 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)you would see attacks.
shanny
(6,709 posts)that isn't read, does it make a sound?
seriously, I don't do twitter or facebook or whatever else there is in social media because it is the worst of random intertoobz crap writ large. sole exception is when someone here posts a long unwound (?) thread with good analysis of legal issues or similar.
TwilightZone
(25,517 posts)Isn't a terribly compelling argument.
not at all. I'm well aware random fuckheads exist--we have one in the WH--I just refuse to give any air time to them. Mostly that's what the random fuckheads want; why should I oblige?
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Just because they took place on a platform you dont use doesnt mean they dont exist.
Enjoy your day.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)sheshe2
(84,060 posts)However anyone can read the threads. You just click on the tweet.
George II
(67,782 posts)RandySF
(59,764 posts)LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)mercuryblues
(14,557 posts)One doing the berating
a female to her right in support.
A guy filming who also speaks up
You can also hear finger snapping, neither of the 2 females in the video are snapping their fingers. the guy filming can't be snapping his fingers. so there is at least 1 other person there. Maybe more. But there are definitely 4 people there.
I didn't watch. I don't believe in giving oxygen to random fuckheads.
George II
(67,782 posts)...was INVITED to be there, and this woman (along with her 2-3 friends) attacked her for being there, along with "more white people than Muslims" at the vigil. She turned a solemn vigil for those murdered in New Zealand into a political stunt. A disrespectful display taking the attention away from the real reason for the vigil.
It was reminiscent of the ambush of Dianne Feinstein outside her office a few weeks ago.
Now she's trying to rationalize it and make excuses for her disrespectful attack of the invited Chelsea Clinton on buzzfeed. Question is, was SHE or her pack invited?
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/leendweik/why-we-confronted-chelsea-clinton?fbclid=IwAR08eh2FyLFUkoKDMa6rEzuB50AB1Tcxbp7ZdW_cGuDFqD2dNZMawg8gxj4
betsuni
(25,803 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)R B Garr
(17,018 posts)narrative like they did to Feinstein.
George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)But Chelsea Clinton's contribution to the smear campagin against Omar, which falsely accuses her of antisemitism, was disproportionate as well.
I see it as karma.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Was it in this tweet?
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChelseaClinton/status/1095050177323429891
Please show where Clinton smeared Omar?
dalton99a
(81,707 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)I will not play these tired semantics games with you
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Was that a smear?
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)anti-Semitic.
karynnj
(59,510 posts)The person questioning you thinks that they were not. That was the gist of the entire controversy over her remarks. It is also why you are talking past each other -- from Clinton's point of view, it is not smear, but a statement that IS BASED ON HER ASSESSMENT that the comments were anti-semitic AND the belief that anti-semitic comments are wrong.
However, the person questioning you does not agree that the comments were anti-semitic - ignoring that intentionally or not - they repeat anti-semitic tropes.
However, this thread should not be about either Clinton's tweet implying the comments were anti-semitic OR Omar's comments. The follow up tweet to Omar is actually conciliatory -- and it should be -- they both are against hate speech.
NOTHING Clinton wrote called for violence against anyone. In the video, she responds far more respectfully than the woman attacking her deserves and that is much to her credit.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)The other does not. There is no mention of Omer in the other tweet. Clinton is not suggesting anything against Omar and it is dishonest to say that she did.
karynnj
(59,510 posts)-- and the Congressional resolution that started out just against anti-semitism, it is very clear whose words she is referring to. You have to consider context when you look at a comment. It is highly unlikely - that when the Congress spent a few days with the comments as controversy and worked on the resolution precisely because of the comments - that you could suggest that Clinton speaking of officials having to avoid anti-semitic comments that it had nothing to do with what was happening.
I have no problem with Clinton being one of many who were unhappy with those comments and saying so. There is a very narrow line and the House Democrats finessed it nicely by being against ALL hate speech.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)and in fact said all elected officials as to not single anyone out. To say that Clinton smeared Omar is a lie.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)The poster just chooses to be willfully uninformed to further their argument.
Meanwhile, reasonable people can see Clinton subscribing to the false smear that Omar is antisemitic, a smear that brought danger to her life.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)mentions Omar. Provide a link to a credible source.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Read it.
Learn it.
Live it.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)in this one: https://mobile.twitter.com/ChelseaClinton/status/1095050177323429891
So where is the smear?
Cha
(298,046 posts)people around?
You're wrong about Chelsea.. and this bigot vivafalastin spewed a stupid attack on her.
lapucelle
(18,408 posts)Cha
(298,046 posts)emulatorloo
(44,270 posts)You are accusing others of what you yourself are doing.
comradebillyboy
(10,189 posts)FreeState
(10,588 posts)mcar
(42,467 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)it's really that simple
mcar
(42,467 posts)I see it as karma.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)this is getting orwellian
lapucelle
(18,408 posts)and their idiosyncratic perceptions are not confirmed by the evidence.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)or the slur against Omar?
Remember, none of her tweets or statements in question specifically mentioned Jews.
They were critical of Israel and the policies surrounding that sovereign state, a conversation Omar's detractors would rather not have, especially now that Bibi has come out as a professed racist.
lapucelle
(18,408 posts)Some of her tweets have been criticized for the use of antisemitic tropes. Those people pointing out her possible cultural insensitivity is not a slur.
Hopefully going forward, if Rep. Omar's criticism is of Netanyahu, her tweets will clearly articulate that point, and she'll be a little more mindful of the exact import of her words. This way, other people will not have to rephrase her tweets in totally different language in order to explain what she really meant.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Operation Pillar of Defense, which the "hypnotize" tweet refers to, killed more civilians than combatants, and 107 Palestinian civilians were killed versus four Israeli civilians.
Yet Israel was portrayed as the victim.
There is no question that Israel-focused lobbying money perverts politics. Entire books have been written on the subject (see Mearsheimer and Walt). AIPAC directs donations to politicians, they even have a website for that purpose.
https://www.aipac.org/act/congressional-club
Omar says something completely uncontroversial, and she gets crucified for it.
The apparent third strike is her complaint that she is being pressured to swear fealty to a foreign country. The anti-BDS bill passed in the Senate proves her concerns, yet hair-trigger sensitivities dominated the narrative.
This whole smear campaign to silence her is both transparent and insufferable.
lapucelle
(18,408 posts)SMH
Cha
(298,046 posts)again.
Cha
(298,046 posts)you agree or not.
And.. sippin on dat is her own worst enemy.
lapucelle
(18,408 posts)I'm not sure why anybody would feel entitled to spin the congresswoman's actions into anything other than what she says they were or to 'splain to her what she "really did".
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Omar never specifically mentioned Jews just as Clinton never specifically mentioned Omar. So you cant have it both ways. That is just a double standard.
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Cha
(298,046 posts)around.
Response to wellst0nev0ter (Reply #40)
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Cha
(298,046 posts)RelativelyJones
(898 posts)Cha
(298,046 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(298,046 posts)beg the question!
George II
(67,782 posts)https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/leendweik/why-we-confronted-chelsea-clinton?fbclid=IwAR08eh2FyLFUkoKDMa6rEzuB50AB1Tcxbp7ZdW_cGuDFqD2dNZMawg8gxj4
Cha
(298,046 posts)Cha
(298,046 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(298,046 posts)business getting in Chelsea's face.
I'm sure going forward that Chelsea will handle it with grace an dignity unlike the attacker.
I told her she was "Fucking ridiculous".
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,458 posts)Not sure of the motivation of the woman who verbally attacked Chelsea Clinton other than a cheap political stunt.
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)Cha
(298,046 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)How is Chelsea Clinton stoking Islamophobia and racism? Shouldn't this woman be going after the real haters? She just made herself look like an ass and very unsympathetic.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)I dont know what this womans motivation in attacking Clinton. Today she is playing victim because people are critical of her attack.
https://mobile.twitter.com/vivafalastin/status/1106932724026232834
comradebillyboy
(10,189 posts)Cenk and crew just hate the Clintons.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
And Brian Stelter's invited her to be on Reliable Sources on CNN.
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)JHB
(37,166 posts)Cha
(298,046 posts)so Stelter's gonna give the asshole a platform?
Thanks, octoberlib
emulatorloo
(44,270 posts)OnEdit: JHB, didnt see your post before I posted mine.
lapucelle
(18,408 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:05 PM - Edit history (1)
to fund her "work".
Update! The fundraising appeal has been deleted.
She is now threatening anyone who shows her video with copyright infringement!
She is also threatening a defamation lawsuit against anyone who uses the work "attack" in connection with the episode which detracted from the purpose of the gathering, a vigil for the NZ victims.
It appears that she has hired Michael Avanatti!
She now claims that the cancellation of her appearance on CNN was the work of "the Clinton regime"!
This post was edited to remove the link to the screenshot of the deleted fundraising appeal which was contained in a tweet from Caleb Hull.
melman
(7,681 posts)Interesting.
from his site:
After I graduated college, I accepted a job with Turning Point USA as their Creative Director where my main focus was creating viral video content and revolutionizing the way the organization approached Facebook video
I later moved to Washington D.C. to work with Independent Journal Review as the publications Senior Editor. At IJR, I worked with a team to develop a brand new video style and built up a Facebook Show Page from scratch. In under a month, we went from zero followers to over 1.5 million with zero advertising. The page was fully monetized, bringing in a brand new revenue stream of hundreds of thousands of dollars, and began generating over 150 million video views per week, making it one of the most successful video pages on the entire platform.
Now, I work as Targeted Victorys Director of Content where I am leveraging my knowledge of the conservative audience and the type of content they prefer to consume.
http://calebhull.com/about#about-us
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/organizations/turning-point-usa/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_USA
According to Techcrunch, Targeted Victory is the GOPs go-to technology consultant firm."
https://techcrunch.com/2018/11/30/facebook-targeted-victory-definers-gop/
Some more tweets from Caleb
Link to tweet
?
Link to tweet
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Link to tweet
Caleb's FB with a background image of Dump, plus a profile pic of Caleb with a big gun
https://www.facebook.com/realCalebHull/
Strange that someone would link to a clown like this. Very strange.
maybe there's some hidden 'context' in all his horrible right wing posts. You never know
lapucelle
(18,408 posts)lapucelle
(18,408 posts)from right wing sources, apparently because she agrees with it and finds it funny.
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11926622
melman
(7,681 posts)Besides nothing that is. Sounds like more whataboutism.
lapucelle
(18,408 posts)I posted a single tweet with his screenshot of the videographers's deleted fundraising appeal. Personal fundraising through sensationalized grandstanding during a vigil for the victims of a terrorist attack is a disgusting, indefensible thing to do.
I edited the tweet out when I discovered who Caleb Hull was. (I don't share your familiarity with Mr. Hull's work.)
I'm not sure why any of Mr. Hull's tweets are still in this thread. Who would post that stuff and then knowingly leave it up when its purely illustrative purpose had been so clearly served?
Who indeed? I'm glad it's not me.
There were two tweets. Posted by you. As you know.
Not familiar with his work? You seemed to know where to find it. Or perhaps those tweets just fell out of the sky?
lapucelle
(18,408 posts)and a biography to boot. Apparently he finds Hull "interesting".
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11926755
But Caleb Hull and his right-wing garbage were introduced to this thread by you. Not by me.
Try as you might to deflect from that fact, it is still a fact and you cannot change it.
Sorry but that's just the way it is.
lapucelle
(18,408 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....relevant to the discussion.
melman
(7,681 posts)according to....?
His tweets were posted in the post I was responding to. I posted his garbage to show who he is. That makes it relevant.
ps. If I'd just said he's a right winger without providing proof, proof would have been demanded.
As you know.
lapucelle
(18,408 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Whatever.
lapucelle
(18,408 posts)Has he commented on the fact that one of the attackers was wearing a 2020 campaign shirt from his online merch shop?
George II
(67,782 posts)lapucelle
(18,408 posts)He needs to address.
forklift
(401 posts)and are now attacking her daughter, Chelsea Clinton, who is clearly pregnant.
Despite losing by 4 million votes, Bernie has convinced them that it was all somehow rigged.
Wikileaks (and maybe Russia) helped in this as well.
There was only entitlement and arrogance in this behavior which was at a memorial service.
Don't they have any shame?
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,458 posts)It does not include blackface.
forklift
(401 posts)whataboutism.
One would expect some regret for what one of the far left people did to a pregnant woman at a memorial service and then tried to fund-raise off of such behavior.
Don't you feel there is a whacko and rude woman in the "revolution"? Instead of condemning such behavior seeing someone resort to whataboutism makes me shake my head in disgust.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)On DU, even to make a point at request, isnt the best of things.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=24965
melman
(7,681 posts)Because it clearly said "link to things"
Also, I think if you revisit the post your friend was replying to you'll find there was no point being made.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Guess you think your links are more credible when it comes to your point.
melman
(7,681 posts)Read the post your friend was replying to in that thread. You will find there was no point being made.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)And now keeping to your second false statement. Always good to minimize falsehoods.
Nice links.
melman
(7,681 posts)Glad you appreciate them. I personally wouldn't describe that material as nice..but still. Very glad you enjoy them.
melman
(7,681 posts)Because it was clearly about "linking to things" - links..not posts.
Also, I think if you revisit the post your friend was replying to you'll find there was no point being made.
betsuni
(25,803 posts)Lunabell
(6,141 posts)I was young and revolutionary once. I'm still a lefty, but realize you have to compromise, sadly, to get things done.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)Cha
(298,046 posts)is her own worst Enemy.
It BackFired.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)Cha
(298,046 posts)It's only what the OP is about.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)She made the vigil all about her raking Chelsea over the coals for existing? And all this was done in Bernie's name?
melman
(7,681 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Discussions tend to follow strange paths on DU.
radius777
(3,635 posts)the actions of his supporters and/or those who claim to support him who misbehave in such an egregious manner.
This issue - of his more die hard supporters viciousness - will not go away.
They are rampant on social media. Numerous articles have been written about how abusive they are. It's from that online cesspool that these real life behaviors manifest.
The attack on Chelsea, who is pregnant and was not at a political event, but a vigil for a horrible tragedy - is the lowest of the low - no other way to spin it.
It's a made up phony outrage. People are free to continue raging but others aren't obligated to play along. So sorry.
George II
(67,782 posts)..."well, I was busy", etc.
That woman was way out of line, first by asking "why was she there?" (psst, she was INVITED to be there), then SHE disrupted a solemn vigil to spew irrational crap about Chelsea being partly "responsible" for the murders 12,000 miles away, and of course she had her buddy all cued up ready to get a video of it. But Chelsea stayed very cool and calm, which this woman's friend screamed about.
From the looks of it, it was pre-planned, and from the comments on twitter it backfired miserably. BTW, it was a vigil for the 49 murdered Muslims in New Zealand, who wears a political t-shirt to such a gathering?
Cha
(298,046 posts)represent BS.
Link to tweet
He already had to ask his supporters to play nice once.. he needs to step up and do it again.
That shit went viral and she was there sporting a BS tee shirt going on a despicable rant against Chelsea Clinton.
Not a good look for him or the ranter.. Yes it BACKFIRED!
Link to tweet
Cha
(298,046 posts)fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)goo goo goo
lapucelle
(18,408 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)I Have my guesses
Cha
(298,046 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)I wish I could say I were surprised. This is a prime example of the overwhelming stupidity of following day to day actions and words. The moron gene is simply tempted too often.
Big hint: If you think Chelsea Clinton made an anti-semitic slur, the problem is with your and your brutally incompetent comprehension. Anyone with a fleck of big picture understanding would realize as much. Even if one of two challenged brain cells wanted to go there, one would hope the remainder might intervene and hammer some sense.
But we live in a social media dolt era upon desperation to go on tilt at any opportunity, even an invented opportunity.
This reminds me of the ones who thought the billion dollar jackpot was fixed. Taking off in the wrong direction whenever available.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)That woman poking her finger right in Chelseas face was beyond rude.
Chin music
(23,002 posts)bc she knows Chelsea won't snatch her bald.
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fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)Nobody ever heard of this until now. Seems manufactured.
Cha
(298,046 posts)lapucelle
(18,408 posts)This is why people shouldn't use google translate.
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11927373
RandySF
(59,764 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)How could I have manufactured any of this? The
Cha
(298,046 posts)JI7
(89,288 posts)Cha
(298,046 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Didnt know about Pence.
forklift
(401 posts)who are actually excusing, condoning, defending and supporting the behavior.
Not one Bernie supporter has condemned it.
I guess everything is fair in a revolution.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)As well as some accusing Clinton.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)There was NO excuse for this behavior. None.
lapucelle
(18,408 posts)underpants
(183,019 posts)I tend to simply things into the newspaper parameter WHO WHAT WHEN...etc
WHAT was this thing about? A vigil? Something to do with death and sadness? My home training tells me to dress in black, show up, and shut up unless you just have to say something in which case you make it short and sympathetic. Even if someone is there I don't like or have something to say to them I don't. Not THERE.
Dr. Strange
(25,929 posts)I'm a Bernie supporter, but fuck this sippin on dat @vivafalastin homophobic piece of antisemitic shit.
Also, fuck Our Revolution Ventura County @OurRevolutionVC.
I'll keep some fucks in reserve, to distribute as needed.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,919 posts)it's because we live in a nation of well over 300 million people and I refuse to feel obligated to respond personally about each and every person who does something self serving and/or ugly and/or dumb. That paves the road for more crazed individuals believing that they have somehow earned a national platform to spew their twisted views. They haven't. They no more deserve sustained national attention for doing/saying something vile than I do when I say something sane. All public figures in our society attract some people "to them" with distorted views who attack and/or associate with them in order to garner publicity for themselves. I don't like that aspect of our culture but it is what it is.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)janx
(24,128 posts)who seem to want attention and use a terrible tragedy to accomplish that.
TheBlackAdder
(28,255 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)betsuni
(25,803 posts)The Our Revolution genius who wrote that tweet, when someone said something nice about Chelsea: "So sorry, I didn't vote for her... ."
It would be funny how dumb these people are, but this is getting frightening.
comradebillyboy
(10,189 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....and presided over by Nina Turner until a week or two ago (she suspended her position to be Sanders' co-chair of the campaign)
You can find their background and history here:
https://ourrevolution.com/
As a 501(c)(4) organization, their political activity is somewhat limited by IRS rules.
Cha
(298,046 posts)Needs to look in the Fucking mirror.
murielm99
(30,784 posts)It sure as hell isn't mine.
betsuni
(25,803 posts)Cha
(298,046 posts)Revolution which has outshone anything they've come up with.. or anybody else for that matter. Mahalo, Nancy Pelosi and All who worked so hard making that happen!
Sanders according to his own words didn't see that coming.. Whoosh!
We're Inclusive.
Gothmog
(145,894 posts)I saw even worst behavior at the convention by sanders delegates