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Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 11:51 AM Mar 2019

Yesterday's attacks on Chelsea Clinton were dishonest and disgraceful

In case anyone hasn't seen the video of the incident at NYU:




Afterward the young woman in the video posted this:



The young woman was referring to this tweet made by Clinton:



A tweet that never attacked Omar or stoked Islamophobia. And she ignores this follow up tweet made by Clinton:



In follow up tweets this woman exposed her own racism against non-muslims:



This is why the left loses. Instead of attacking those really responsible, we attack our own and that has to stop.
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Yesterday's attacks on Chelsea Clinton were dishonest and disgraceful (Original Post) Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 OP
The fervor of revolutionaries dalton99a Mar 2019 #1
There is something seriously wrong with this person. OhZone Mar 2019 #3
Clearly. It's unsurprising. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #6
This is what sippin on dat tweeted the day before she Cha Mar 2019 #83
Here's sippin on dat here with BS.. Cha Mar 2019 #183
Damn. dalton99a Mar 2019 #184
She also appears to be a bigot. Someone compiled a few of her Twitter posts. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #2
Wow, some ugly stuff there. Tipperary Mar 2019 #8
Yep, she's a Bigot. Cha Mar 2019 #85
The tweet in your link has been deleted, but this wasn't: George II Mar 2019 #152
Yes, I just saw it was Deleted.. Cha Mar 2019 #194
Check her Twitter feed to see which candidate she supports... manor321 Mar 2019 #4
See post #1 above (and the t-shirt she was wearing). George II Mar 2019 #17
Bingo. sarcasmo Mar 2019 #105
A good indication of who she supports: George II Mar 2019 #159
Here's one: George II Mar 2019 #171
Why the F does she have a Go Fund Me Page. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #172
Arghh Gothmog Mar 2019 #179
Does BS know the type of person he's Cha Mar 2019 #182
"I'm not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people." Bernie Sanders. betsuni Mar 2019 #185
Omg! You remember things! Cha Mar 2019 #187
Actually, people on Twitter remember things! betsuni Mar 2019 #188
lol.. well, I could Cha Mar 2019 #189
She and her friend tried to fundraise off of this encounter on Venmo comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #5
sippin on dat is NOT one of our own. lark Mar 2019 #7
It was disgusting. ismnotwasm Mar 2019 #9
My revolution brand morons. Historic NY Mar 2019 #10
What a ridiculous display mcar Mar 2019 #11
I had not seen Chelsea's follow up support tweet to Ilhan. DURHAM D Mar 2019 #12
"attacks" makes it sound like more than one person shanny Mar 2019 #13
Read her Twitter feed Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #14
I don't do Twitter, thanks shanny Mar 2019 #16
If you did Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #21
not to be flippant but if a tree falls on a twitter thread (or whatever they are called) shanny Mar 2019 #25
I don't want to see it so it doesn't exist. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #26
lol shanny Mar 2019 #29
Amen, shanny, Amen. Haggis for Breakfast Mar 2019 #61
Fine but there were still attacks on Clinton Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #27
OK. shanny Mar 2019 #32
You too! Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #34
I am not on twitter. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #180
It was at least her and her friend who was taking the video (and yelling in the background) George II Mar 2019 #18
And a third on her right. Chelsea looked cornered. RandySF Mar 2019 #111
They are both NYU student Senators; I wonder how the university feels about the incident LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #131
At least 4 people mercuryblues Mar 2019 #90
OK shanny Mar 2019 #104
It appears to have been a setup arranged in advance of the vigil. The thing is, Chelsea Clinton.... George II Mar 2019 #119
"We took our chance to speak truth to power." betsuni Mar 2019 #121
It is eerily reminiscent of the ambush of Dianne Feinstein a few weeks ago. George II Mar 2019 #15
Ooh, great observation, complete with a contrived R B Garr Mar 2019 #35
Seems to be a trending M. O. George II Mar 2019 #107
That attack was tacky as hell wellst0nev0ter Mar 2019 #19
Where did Clinton smear Omar? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #23
+1 dalton99a Mar 2019 #28
The tweet was in your own OP wellst0nev0ter Mar 2019 #30
One one tweet mentioned Omar Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #33
Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #42
Show me where Clinton specifically calls Omar Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #44
Clinton clearly suggests that she thought the Representative's comments were anti-semitic karynnj Mar 2019 #46
Only one tweet specifically mentions Omar Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #48
I don't see anything wrong with her tweet, but given the timing and the several days of controversy karynnj Mar 2019 #49
Again she never specifically mentioned Omar Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #53
See? We're not talking past each other wellst0nev0ter Mar 2019 #50
Show where Clinton specifically Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #54
Your OP wellst0nev0ter Mar 2019 #57
And Omar is only mentioned Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #60
omg.. why are you always ordering Cha Mar 2019 #89
+1 fleabiscuit Mar 2019 #132
What are you talking about? There is no mention of Rep Omar in the OP. lapucelle Mar 2019 #157
Guess they forgot the part where she ripped Pence? Cha Mar 2019 #116
"Tired Semantic Games"? You're protecting emulatorloo Mar 2019 #155
Utter rubbish comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #24
BS n/t FreeState Mar 2019 #36
What smear? mcar Mar 2019 #38
The smear that Omar is antisemitic wellst0nev0ter Mar 2019 #40
I don't see CC smearing anyone mcar Mar 2019 #41
Another professed know-nothing wellst0nev0ter Mar 2019 #43
Or perhaps those professing outrage over the imaginary slur are really imagining things, lapucelle Mar 2019 #47
Omar's "slur" wellst0nev0ter Mar 2019 #52
The apocryphal slur against Rep. Omar. lapucelle Mar 2019 #62
None of her tweets were antisemitic wellst0nev0ter Mar 2019 #65
Crucified...really? lapucelle Mar 2019 #69
So.. here we all are Cha Mar 2019 #96
Apparently it is "controversial" whether Cha Mar 2019 #92
Rep. Omar has taken responsibility, apologized, and deleted the tweet. lapucelle Mar 2019 #158
True Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #63
Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #190
Look in the mirror before you go throwing insults Cha Mar 2019 #94
Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #67
Here's the young woman who verbally attacked Chelsea Clinton, @vivafalastin, calling for Israel to Cha Mar 2019 #129
Absurd. RelativelyJones Mar 2019 #70
It BACKFIRED on sippin on dat! There's Cha Mar 2019 #87
One wonders what "dat" was that she was sippin! George II Mar 2019 #120
Yes, sippin's actions and words do Cha Mar 2019 #123
Uh huh....and now she's digging a DEEPER hole by making excuses on buzzfeed: George II Mar 2019 #128
Fuckers. they owe Chelsea an "apology" and Leen Cha Mar 2019 #130
I added this to the previous post.. Cha Mar 2019 #133
That woman considers "demolishing Israel" a solution? Surprised she didn't say a "final solution"!! George II Mar 2019 #134
Leen is a gaslit bigot. She had no Cha Mar 2019 #135
No shit Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2019 #20
Yo Mama been frontin fascisthunter Mar 2019 #110
What are you trying to say? Cha Mar 2019 #124
I'm sorry. I must be missing something. smirkymonkey Mar 2019 #22
You're not missing anything Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #31
I bet she has a bright future with The Young Turks. comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #59
Extreme crazies never help any cause including their own. democratisphere Mar 2019 #37
From her friend Rose Asaf who posted the video octoberlib Mar 2019 #39
She doesn't understand the concept of "fair use" LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #55
Ben Garrison?!? The Alex Jones of cartoonists? Seriously? JHB Mar 2019 #72
they're such Freaking Assholes. Cha Mar 2019 #97
Ben Garrison cartoons? Seriously? That guy is a libertarian asshole. emulatorloo Mar 2019 #156
The videographer used the memorial service video as an opportunity to raise money lapucelle Mar 2019 #45
Caleb Hull melman Mar 2019 #56
... lapucelle Mar 2019 #74
Hey melman Mar 2019 #75
Now even Michael Avenatti is repudiating any connection to the videographer. lapucelle Mar 2019 #77
Maybe you should ask the videographer. She retweets disgusting crap lapucelle Mar 2019 #78
What does that have to do with the Caleb Hull tweets you posted? melman Mar 2019 #79
I didn't post Caleb Hull tweets...you did. lapucelle Mar 2019 #84
Nope melman Mar 2019 #86
There's only one poster here who has a post containing multiple musings from Caleb Hull lapucelle Mar 2019 #91
Sorry melman Mar 2019 #95
Apology accepted. N/T lapucelle Mar 2019 #100
.. Cha Mar 2019 #191
Strange that you just posted a half dozen or so tweets from him, especially since they aren't.... George II Mar 2019 #80
Not relevant melman Mar 2019 #81
There's only one post at this point with any tweets from Caleb Hull, and it's yours. lapucelle Mar 2019 #88
Sure, you posted a bunch of his tweets and now all of a sudden it's "not relevant". George II Mar 2019 #125
Has BS condemed the attack on Chelsea yet? lapucelle Mar 2019 #93
No he hasn't, and probably never will. After all, he's "a little busy getting the message out"! George II Mar 2019 #122
This can't possibly be the message. BS said his goal is to be a uniter. lapucelle Mar 2019 #126
Bernie people are still butthurt over losing to Hillary forklift Mar 2019 #142
A blackout is where everyone dresses in black. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2019 #139
A classic example of forklift Mar 2019 #141
A friend of mine once said that posting right wing stuff... WeekiWater Mar 2019 #160
I think you need to read your friend's post again melman Mar 2019 #161
You "linked" to things. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #163
Again melman Mar 2019 #164
Good job removing the part of your statement that was false. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #166
"Nice links" melman Mar 2019 #168
I think you need to read your friend's post again melman Mar 2019 #162
"The Clinton regime"! betsuni Mar 2019 #144
... lapucelle Mar 2019 #148
Bless her heart Lunabell Mar 2019 #51
Team Omar. aidbo Mar 2019 #58
Leen the idiot in the vid attacking Chelsea Cha Mar 2019 #136
I have no idea what you're trying to say. aidbo Mar 2019 #137
Oh I said it.. sorry if you don't understand it. Cha Mar 2019 #138
Huh? ProudLib72 Mar 2019 #64
"And all this was done in Bernie's name?" melman Mar 2019 #66
That's what I got out of it ProudLib72 Mar 2019 #68
Sanders has the obligation to condemn radius777 Mar 2019 #71
Nope melman Mar 2019 #73
Yes, he does have an obligation to keep his supporters in check. No excuses like.... George II Mar 2019 #82
Exactly, George. sippin on was there to Cha Mar 2019 #101
She also dragged Rep. Omar back into the mess AND made Bernie Sanders look bad by choosing to wear a Cha Mar 2019 #115
Part to the side hair do for you fascisthunter Mar 2019 #113
What's the frequency Kenneth? lapucelle Mar 2019 #149
What Is dat, THat She Has Been sippin On? Me. Mar 2019 #76
sippin & co stupid stunt Backfired! Cha Mar 2019 #102
Consider The Source Me. Mar 2019 #140
Nutcase central Awsi Dooger Mar 2019 #98
How ugly. Chelsea handled the situation well. Tipperary Mar 2019 #99
And Mrs. C Clinton is pregnant. Real safe for the attacker Chin music Mar 2019 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Mar 2019 #106
You mean, you want the left to lose? fascisthunter Mar 2019 #108
It may seem "manufactured" to you but it's not. Cha Mar 2019 #112
"Part to the side hair do for you goo goo goo". lapucelle Mar 2019 #153
Heard of what? It happened yesterday. RandySF Mar 2019 #114
Manufactured??? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #118
The young woman is openly antisemitic TODAY, attacked a woman who was INVITED to the event, Cha Mar 2019 #127
what a piece of shit JI7 Mar 2019 #147
Yes. Cha Mar 2019 #169
Mahalo for the OP, Trumpocalypse.. Cha Mar 2019 #109
Thanks for posting Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #117
I can't believe there are people on this thread forklift Mar 2019 #143
I know what you mean Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #145
I know. It's just insane. smirkymonkey Mar 2019 #146
... lapucelle Mar 2019 #150
Having just skimmed over this thread I can't either underpants Mar 2019 #151
I don't get the support for the confronters either. Dr. Strange Mar 2019 #175
When I don't specifically condemn the view of every crazed individual Tom Rinaldo Mar 2019 #154
What a set up and put on. nt UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #165
Ehh--a couple of minutes of Twitter fame for a few people janx Mar 2019 #167
I like Bernie and I like Hillary. There's only one asshole in this video, it's not Chelsea Clinton! TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #170
A local chapter of Our Revolution has now commented on this incident, attacking Chelsea Clinton. George II Mar 2019 #173
Chelsea "an absolute disgrace and quite dangerous to our society"? betsuni Mar 2019 #174
Isn't Our Revolution Bernie's super-PAC? comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #176
I don't know if it's a super pac or not, but it's the organization founded by Jane Sanders.... George II Mar 2019 #177
Oh Really, "our revolution"? Cha Mar 2019 #178
Whose revolution? murielm99 Mar 2019 #181
Democrats are definitely a "Them" not an "Us" in this scenario. betsuni Mar 2019 #186
We Dems had our BLUEWAVE Cha Mar 2019 #192
I was a delegate to the 2016 National Convention Gothmog Mar 2019 #193

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
3. There is something seriously wrong with this person.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 11:57 AM
Mar 2019

And 6am. She should learn how people commute from the NJ shore to north jersey and NY. Yeah, 6am ain't nuttin.

Oh well.

Cha

(298,046 posts)
83. This is what sippin on dat tweeted the day before she
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:20 PM
Mar 2019

attacked Chelsea for No damn reason.



I don't believe she got "death threats".

sheshe2

(84,060 posts)
172. Why the F does she have a Go Fund Me Page.
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 06:36 PM
Mar 2019

Why does she need funds for her attack on a pregnant woman ( Chelsea Clinton) at a vigil of, now 50 people slaughtered. Would someone please explain this to me? I am not understanding her attack or the GFM page.

Chelsea, an invited member was attacked at a vigil for 50 deaths in a massacre at two Mosques. Chelsea was there to morn them, this women came to disrupt and disrespect the dead and the family and friends that loved them.

betsuni

(25,803 posts)
185. "I'm not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people." Bernie Sanders.
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 01:22 AM
Mar 2019

I really think that if he can say that about Sarah Sanders getting yelled at in a restaurant, he should say something about Chelsea getting yelled at while at a vigil for the victims of a brutal terrorist attack.

Cha

(298,046 posts)
187. Omg! You remember things!
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 02:00 AM
Mar 2019

That's a perfect quote to go with this pic of BS and sippin on dat/Leen/@vivafalastin.



You're absolutely right, betsuni.. BS should be able to say something about Chelsea Clinton getting accosted in the Mosque at the Peaceful Vigil(until hell broke out) if he can stick up for Sarah LyingAss Gaslit Sanders getting asked to leave a restaurant.

Leen is a Divider with her bombastic rheotoric, and does her cause no good. Her own worst enemy.

betsuni

(25,803 posts)
188. Actually, people on Twitter remember things!
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 02:07 AM
Mar 2019

Saw a comment about that and thought, oh right, he said that. Jotting it down for future use.

Cha

(298,046 posts)
189. lol.. well, I could
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 02:54 AM
Mar 2019

have easily attribute it to you.

But yeah, Twitter is can be a wealth of knowledge!

Mahalo for passing it on! It's forever engraved in my memory bank now.

lark

(23,193 posts)
7. sippin on dat is NOT one of our own.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 12:13 PM
Mar 2019

She/he is a phony, there's another thread showing her many racist and homophobic statements - so 100% freaking no is she a progressive or for real.

DURHAM D

(32,617 posts)
12. I had not seen Chelsea's follow up support tweet to Ilhan.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 01:43 PM
Mar 2019

Thanks for posting.

Chelsea is the kind of person we need in the debate. Too bad she will never run for office but can not blame her.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
25. not to be flippant but if a tree falls on a twitter thread (or whatever they are called)
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:06 PM
Mar 2019

that isn't read, does it make a sound?

seriously, I don't do twitter or facebook or whatever else there is in social media because it is the worst of random intertoobz crap writ large. sole exception is when someone here posts a long unwound (?) thread with good analysis of legal issues or similar.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
29. lol
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:12 PM
Mar 2019

not at all. I'm well aware random fuckheads exist--we have one in the WH--I just refuse to give any air time to them. Mostly that's what the random fuckheads want; why should I oblige?

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
27. Fine but there were still attacks on Clinton
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:10 PM
Mar 2019

Just because they took place on a platform you don’t use doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

mercuryblues

(14,557 posts)
90. At least 4 people
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:38 PM
Mar 2019

One doing the berating
a female to her right in support.
A guy filming who also speaks up

You can also hear finger snapping, neither of the 2 females in the video are snapping their fingers. the guy filming can't be snapping his fingers. so there is at least 1 other person there. Maybe more. But there are definitely 4 people there.

George II

(67,782 posts)
119. It appears to have been a setup arranged in advance of the vigil. The thing is, Chelsea Clinton....
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 09:37 PM
Mar 2019

...was INVITED to be there, and this woman (along with her 2-3 friends) attacked her for being there, along with "more white people than Muslims" at the vigil. She turned a solemn vigil for those murdered in New Zealand into a political stunt. A disrespectful display taking the attention away from the real reason for the vigil.

It was reminiscent of the ambush of Dianne Feinstein outside her office a few weeks ago.

Now she's trying to rationalize it and make excuses for her disrespectful attack of the invited Chelsea Clinton on buzzfeed. Question is, was SHE or her pack invited?

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/leendweik/why-we-confronted-chelsea-clinton?fbclid=IwAR08eh2FyLFUkoKDMa6rEzuB50AB1Tcxbp7ZdW_cGuDFqD2dNZMawg8gxj4

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
19. That attack was tacky as hell
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 02:50 PM
Mar 2019

But Chelsea Clinton's contribution to the smear campagin against Omar, which falsely accuses her of antisemitism, was disproportionate as well.

I see it as karma.

Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #33)

karynnj

(59,510 posts)
46. Clinton clearly suggests that she thought the Representative's comments were anti-semitic
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:04 PM
Mar 2019

The person questioning you thinks that they were not. That was the gist of the entire controversy over her remarks. It is also why you are talking past each other -- from Clinton's point of view, it is not smear, but a statement that IS BASED ON HER ASSESSMENT that the comments were anti-semitic AND the belief that anti-semitic comments are wrong.

However, the person questioning you does not agree that the comments were anti-semitic - ignoring that intentionally or not - they repeat anti-semitic tropes.

However, this thread should not be about either Clinton's tweet implying the comments were anti-semitic OR Omar's comments. The follow up tweet to Omar is actually conciliatory -- and it should be -- they both are against hate speech.

NOTHING Clinton wrote called for violence against anyone. In the video, she responds far more respectfully than the woman attacking her deserves and that is much to her credit.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
48. Only one tweet specifically mentions Omar
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:13 PM
Mar 2019

The other does not. There is no mention of Omer in the other tweet. Clinton is not suggesting anything against Omar and it is dishonest to say that she did.

karynnj

(59,510 posts)
49. I don't see anything wrong with her tweet, but given the timing and the several days of controversy
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:22 PM
Mar 2019

-- and the Congressional resolution that started out just against anti-semitism, it is very clear whose words she is referring to. You have to consider context when you look at a comment. It is highly unlikely - that when the Congress spent a few days with the comments as controversy and worked on the resolution precisely because of the comments - that you could suggest that Clinton speaking of officials having to avoid anti-semitic comments that it had nothing to do with what was happening.

I have no problem with Clinton being one of many who were unhappy with those comments and saying so. There is a very narrow line and the House Democrats finessed it nicely by being against ALL hate speech.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
53. Again she never specifically mentioned Omar
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:29 PM
Mar 2019

and in fact said all elected officials as to not single anyone out. To say that Clinton smeared Omar is a lie.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
50. See? We're not talking past each other
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:24 PM
Mar 2019

The poster just chooses to be willfully uninformed to further their argument.

Meanwhile, reasonable people can see Clinton subscribing to the false smear that Omar is antisemitic, a smear that brought danger to her life.

Cha

(298,046 posts)
89. omg.. why are you always ordering
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:37 PM
Mar 2019

people around?

You're wrong about Chelsea.. and this bigot vivafalastin spewed a stupid attack on her.

mcar

(42,467 posts)
41. I don't see CC smearing anyone
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:46 PM
Mar 2019
But Chelsea Clinton's contribution to the smear campagin against Omar, which falsely accuses her of antisemitism, was disproportionate as well.

I see it as karma.


lapucelle

(18,408 posts)
47. Or perhaps those professing outrage over the imaginary slur are really imagining things,
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:10 PM
Mar 2019

and their idiosyncratic perceptions are not confirmed by the evidence.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
52. Omar's "slur"
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:28 PM
Mar 2019

or the slur against Omar?

Remember, none of her tweets or statements in question specifically mentioned Jews.

They were critical of Israel and the policies surrounding that sovereign state, a conversation Omar's detractors would rather not have, especially now that Bibi has come out as a professed racist.

lapucelle

(18,408 posts)
62. The apocryphal slur against Rep. Omar.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:55 PM
Mar 2019

Some of her tweets have been criticized for the use of antisemitic tropes. Those people pointing out her possible cultural insensitivity is not a slur.

Hopefully going forward, if Rep. Omar's criticism is of Netanyahu, her tweets will clearly articulate that point, and she'll be a little more mindful of the exact import of her words. This way, other people will not have to rephrase her tweets in totally different language in order to explain what she really meant.



 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
65. None of her tweets were antisemitic
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 05:12 PM
Mar 2019

Operation Pillar of Defense, which the "hypnotize" tweet refers to, killed more civilians than combatants, and 107 Palestinian civilians were killed versus four Israeli civilians.

Yet Israel was portrayed as the victim.

There is no question that Israel-focused lobbying money perverts politics. Entire books have been written on the subject (see Mearsheimer and Walt). AIPAC directs donations to politicians, they even have a website for that purpose.

https://www.aipac.org/act/congressional-club

Omar says something completely uncontroversial, and she gets crucified for it.

The apparent third strike is her complaint that she is being pressured to swear fealty to a foreign country. The anti-BDS bill passed in the Senate proves her concerns, yet hair-trigger sensitivities dominated the narrative.

This whole smear campaign to silence her is both transparent and insufferable.

Cha

(298,046 posts)
92. Apparently it is "controversial" whether
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:48 PM
Mar 2019

you agree or not.

And.. sippin on dat is her own worst enemy.

lapucelle

(18,408 posts)
158. Rep. Omar has taken responsibility, apologized, and deleted the tweet.
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 01:59 PM
Mar 2019

I'm not sure why anybody would feel entitled to spin the congresswoman's actions into anything other than what she says they were or to 'splain to her what she "really did".

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
63. True
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 05:06 PM
Mar 2019

Omar never specifically mentioned Jews just as Clinton never specifically mentioned Omar. So you can’t have it both ways. That is just a double standard.

Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #63)

Response to wellst0nev0ter (Reply #40)

Cha

(298,046 posts)
129. Here's the young woman who verbally attacked Chelsea Clinton, @vivafalastin, calling for Israel to
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 09:55 PM
Mar 2019


Her own worst enemy.

George II

(67,782 posts)
134. That woman considers "demolishing Israel" a solution? Surprised she didn't say a "final solution"!!
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:13 PM
Mar 2019

Cha

(298,046 posts)
135. Leen is a gaslit bigot. She had no
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:28 PM
Mar 2019

business getting in Chelsea's face.

I'm sure going forward that Chelsea will handle it with grace an dignity unlike the attacker.

I told her she was "Fucking ridiculous".

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,458 posts)
20. No shit
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 02:53 PM
Mar 2019

Not sure of the motivation of the woman who verbally attacked Chelsea Clinton other than a cheap political stunt.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
22. I'm sorry. I must be missing something.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 02:59 PM
Mar 2019

How is Chelsea Clinton stoking Islamophobia and racism? Shouldn't this woman be going after the real haters? She just made herself look like an ass and very unsympathetic.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
31. You're not missing anything
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:17 PM
Mar 2019

I don’t know what this woman’s motivation in attacking Clinton. Today she is playing victim because people are critical of her attack.
https://mobile.twitter.com/vivafalastin/status/1106932724026232834

Cha

(298,046 posts)
97. they're such Freaking Assholes.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:54 PM
Mar 2019

so Stelter's gonna give the asshole a platform?

Thanks, octoberlib

emulatorloo

(44,270 posts)
156. Ben Garrison cartoons? Seriously? That guy is a libertarian asshole.
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 11:18 AM
Mar 2019

OnEdit: JHB, didn’t see your post before I posted mine.

lapucelle

(18,408 posts)
45. The videographer used the memorial service video as an opportunity to raise money
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:01 PM
Mar 2019

Last edited Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:05 PM - Edit history (1)

to fund her "work".



Update! The fundraising appeal has been deleted.




She is now threatening anyone who shows her video with copyright infringement!




She is also threatening a defamation lawsuit against anyone who uses the work "attack" in connection with the episode which detracted from the purpose of the gathering, a vigil for the NZ victims.




It appears that she has hired Michael Avanatti!




She now claims that the cancellation of her appearance on CNN was the work of "the Clinton regime"!




This post was edited to remove the link to the screenshot of the deleted fundraising appeal which was contained in a tweet from Caleb Hull.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
56. Caleb Hull
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:43 PM
Mar 2019

Interesting.

from his site:

After I graduated college, I accepted a job with Turning Point USA as their Creative Director where my main focus was creating viral video content and revolutionizing the way the organization approached Facebook video

I later moved to Washington D.C. to work with Independent Journal Review as the publication’s Senior Editor. At IJR, I worked with a team to develop a brand new video style and built up a Facebook Show Page from scratch. In under a month, we went from zero followers to over 1.5 million with zero advertising. The page was fully monetized, bringing in a brand new revenue stream of hundreds of thousands of dollars, and began generating over 150 million video views per week, making it one of the most successful video pages on the entire platform.

Now, I work as Targeted Victory’s Director of Content where I am leveraging my knowledge of the conservative audience and the type of content they prefer to consume.

http://calebhull.com/about#about-us

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/organizations/turning-point-usa/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_Point_USA

According to Techcrunch, Targeted Victory is “the GOP’s go-to technology consultant firm."
https://techcrunch.com/2018/11/30/facebook-targeted-victory-definers-gop/



Some more tweets from Caleb



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Caleb's FB with a background image of Dump, plus a profile pic of Caleb with a big gun

https://www.facebook.com/realCalebHull/



Strange that someone would link to a clown like this. Very strange.

lapucelle

(18,408 posts)
78. Maybe you should ask the videographer. She retweets disgusting crap
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:41 PM
Mar 2019

from right wing sources, apparently because she agrees with it and finds it funny.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11926622

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
79. What does that have to do with the Caleb Hull tweets you posted?
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:03 PM
Mar 2019

Besides nothing that is. Sounds like more whataboutism.

lapucelle

(18,408 posts)
84. I didn't post Caleb Hull tweets...you did.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:20 PM
Mar 2019

I posted a single tweet with his screenshot of the videographers's deleted fundraising appeal. Personal fundraising through sensationalized grandstanding during a vigil for the victims of a terrorist attack is a disgusting, indefensible thing to do.

I edited the tweet out when I discovered who Caleb Hull was. (I don't share your familiarity with Mr. Hull's work.)

I'm not sure why any of Mr. Hull's tweets are still in this thread. Who would post that stuff and then knowingly leave it up when its purely illustrative purpose had been so clearly served?

Who indeed? I'm glad it's not me.










 

melman

(7,681 posts)
86. Nope
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:24 PM
Mar 2019

There were two tweets. Posted by you. As you know.


Not familiar with his work? You seemed to know where to find it. Or perhaps those tweets just fell out of the sky?


lapucelle

(18,408 posts)
91. There's only one poster here who has a post containing multiple musings from Caleb Hull
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:39 PM
Mar 2019

and a biography to boot. Apparently he finds Hull "interesting".

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11926755

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
95. Sorry
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:51 PM
Mar 2019

But Caleb Hull and his right-wing garbage were introduced to this thread by you. Not by me.

Try as you might to deflect from that fact, it is still a fact and you cannot change it.


Sorry but that's just the way it is.

George II

(67,782 posts)
80. Strange that you just posted a half dozen or so tweets from him, especially since they aren't....
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:11 PM
Mar 2019

....relevant to the discussion.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
81. Not relevant
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:19 PM
Mar 2019

according to....?

His tweets were posted in the post I was responding to. I posted his garbage to show who he is. That makes it relevant.


ps. If I'd just said he's a right winger without providing proof, proof would have been demanded.

As you know.

lapucelle

(18,408 posts)
93. Has BS condemed the attack on Chelsea yet?
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:49 PM
Mar 2019

Has he commented on the fact that one of the attackers was wearing a 2020 campaign shirt from his online merch shop?



 

forklift

(401 posts)
142. Bernie people are still butthurt over losing to Hillary
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 11:45 PM
Mar 2019

and are now attacking her daughter, Chelsea Clinton, who is clearly pregnant.

Despite losing by 4 million votes, Bernie has convinced them that it was all somehow rigged.

Wikileaks (and maybe Russia) helped in this as well.

There was only entitlement and arrogance in this behavior which was at a memorial service.

Don't they have any shame?

 

forklift

(401 posts)
141. A classic example of
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 11:43 PM
Mar 2019

whataboutism.

One would expect some regret for what one of the far left people did to a pregnant woman at a memorial service and then tried to fund-raise off of such behavior.

Don't you feel there is a whacko and rude woman in the "revolution"? Instead of condemning such behavior seeing someone resort to whataboutism makes me shake my head in disgust.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
161. I think you need to read your friend's post again
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:35 PM
Mar 2019

Because it clearly said "link to things"


Also, I think if you revisit the post your friend was replying to you'll find there was no point being made.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
163. You "linked" to things.
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:39 PM
Mar 2019

Guess you think your links are more credible when it comes to your point.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
164. Again
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:40 PM
Mar 2019

Read the post your friend was replying to in that thread. You will find there was no point being made.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
166. Good job removing the part of your statement that was false.
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:43 PM
Mar 2019

And now keeping to your second false statement. Always good to minimize falsehoods.

Nice links.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
168. "Nice links"
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 03:05 PM
Mar 2019

Glad you appreciate them. I personally wouldn't describe that material as nice..but still. Very glad you enjoy them.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
162. I think you need to read your friend's post again
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:35 PM
Mar 2019

Because it was clearly about "linking to things" - links..not posts.


Also, I think if you revisit the post your friend was replying to you'll find there was no point being made.

Lunabell

(6,141 posts)
51. Bless her heart
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 04:27 PM
Mar 2019

I was young and revolutionary once. I'm still a lefty, but realize you have to compromise, sadly, to get things done.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
64. Huh?
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 05:11 PM
Mar 2019

She made the vigil all about her raking Chelsea over the coals for existing? And all this was done in Bernie's name?

radius777

(3,635 posts)
71. Sanders has the obligation to condemn
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 06:11 PM
Mar 2019

the actions of his supporters and/or those who claim to support him who misbehave in such an egregious manner.

This issue - of his more die hard supporters viciousness - will not go away.

They are rampant on social media. Numerous articles have been written about how abusive they are. It's from that online cesspool that these real life behaviors manifest.

The attack on Chelsea, who is pregnant and was not at a political event, but a vigil for a horrible tragedy - is the lowest of the low - no other way to spin it.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
73. Nope
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 06:21 PM
Mar 2019

It's a made up phony outrage. People are free to continue raging but others aren't obligated to play along. So sorry.

George II

(67,782 posts)
82. Yes, he does have an obligation to keep his supporters in check. No excuses like....
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:19 PM
Mar 2019

..."well, I was busy", etc.

That woman was way out of line, first by asking "why was she there?" (psst, she was INVITED to be there), then SHE disrupted a solemn vigil to spew irrational crap about Chelsea being partly "responsible" for the murders 12,000 miles away, and of course she had her buddy all cued up ready to get a video of it. But Chelsea stayed very cool and calm, which this woman's friend screamed about.

From the looks of it, it was pre-planned, and from the comments on twitter it backfired miserably. BTW, it was a vigil for the 49 murdered Muslims in New Zealand, who wears a political t-shirt to such a gathering?

Cha

(298,046 posts)
101. Exactly, George. sippin on was there to
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 09:06 PM
Mar 2019

represent BS.



He already had to ask his supporters to play nice once.. he needs to step up and do it again.

That shit went viral and she was there sporting a BS tee shirt going on a despicable rant against Chelsea Clinton.

Not a good look for him or the ranter.. Yes it BACKFIRED!

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
98. Nutcase central
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:59 PM
Mar 2019

I wish I could say I were surprised. This is a prime example of the overwhelming stupidity of following day to day actions and words. The moron gene is simply tempted too often.

Big hint: If you think Chelsea Clinton made an anti-semitic slur, the problem is with your and your brutally incompetent comprehension. Anyone with a fleck of big picture understanding would realize as much. Even if one of two challenged brain cells wanted to go there, one would hope the remainder might intervene and hammer some sense.

But we live in a social media dolt era upon desperation to go on tilt at any opportunity, even an invented opportunity.

This reminds me of the ones who thought the billion dollar jackpot was fixed. Taking off in the wrong direction whenever available.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
99. How ugly. Chelsea handled the situation well.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 09:02 PM
Mar 2019

That woman poking her finger right in Chelsea’s face was beyond rude.

Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

 

forklift

(401 posts)
143. I can't believe there are people on this thread
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 11:50 PM
Mar 2019

who are actually excusing, condoning, defending and supporting the behavior.

Not one Bernie supporter has condemned it.

I guess everything is fair in a revolution.

underpants

(183,019 posts)
151. Having just skimmed over this thread I can't either
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 09:51 AM
Mar 2019

I tend to simply things into the newspaper parameter WHO WHAT WHEN...etc

WHAT was this thing about? A vigil? Something to do with death and sadness? My home training tells me to dress in black, show up, and shut up unless you just have to say something in which case you make it short and sympathetic. Even if someone is there I don't like or have something to say to them I don't. Not THERE.

Dr. Strange

(25,929 posts)
175. I don't get the support for the confronters either.
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:23 PM
Mar 2019

I'm a Bernie supporter, but fuck this sippin on dat @vivafalastin homophobic piece of antisemitic shit.

Also, fuck Our Revolution Ventura County @OurRevolutionVC.

I'll keep some fucks in reserve, to distribute as needed.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,919 posts)
154. When I don't specifically condemn the view of every crazed individual
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 11:01 AM
Mar 2019

it's because we live in a nation of well over 300 million people and I refuse to feel obligated to respond personally about each and every person who does something self serving and/or ugly and/or dumb. That paves the road for more crazed individuals believing that they have somehow earned a national platform to spew their twisted views. They haven't. They no more deserve sustained national attention for doing/saying something vile than I do when I say something sane. All public figures in our society attract some people "to them" with distorted views who attack and/or associate with them in order to garner publicity for themselves. I don't like that aspect of our culture but it is what it is.

janx

(24,128 posts)
167. Ehh--a couple of minutes of Twitter fame for a few people
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:53 PM
Mar 2019

who seem to want attention and use a terrible tragedy to accomplish that.

George II

(67,782 posts)
173. A local chapter of Our Revolution has now commented on this incident, attacking Chelsea Clinton.
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 06:54 PM
Mar 2019

Garbage like this MUST be addressed and condemned.


betsuni

(25,803 posts)
174. Chelsea "an absolute disgrace and quite dangerous to our society"?
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:06 PM
Mar 2019

The Our Revolution genius who wrote that tweet, when someone said something nice about Chelsea: "So sorry, I didn't vote for her... ."

It would be funny how dumb these people are, but this is getting frightening.

George II

(67,782 posts)
177. I don't know if it's a super pac or not, but it's the organization founded by Jane Sanders....
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:41 PM
Mar 2019

....and presided over by Nina Turner until a week or two ago (she suspended her position to be Sanders' co-chair of the campaign)

You can find their background and history here:

https://ourrevolution.com/

As a 501(c)(4) organization, their political activity is somewhat limited by IRS rules.

Cha

(298,046 posts)
192. We Dems had our BLUEWAVE
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 04:03 AM
Mar 2019

Revolution which has outshone anything they've come up with.. or anybody else for that matter. Mahalo, Nancy Pelosi and All who worked so hard making that happen!



Sanders according to his own words didn't see that coming.. Whoosh!

We're Inclusive.

Gothmog

(145,894 posts)
193. I was a delegate to the 2016 National Convention
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 02:18 PM
Mar 2019

I saw even worst behavior at the convention by sanders delegates

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