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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPelosi just went there...
During a live presser, she was asked about trump declaring a national emergency. She said this president can declare this as an emergency, and a democratic president can declare gun violence as a national emergency.
BOOM.
maxrandb
(15,439 posts)Hell, the House has the power to do it. I'd start impeaching everyone. Every fucking judge he's appointed, starting with Kavanaugh and Gorsuch.
It may not go anywhere in the Senate, but fuck it...haul their asses in front of Congress anyway. Make their lives miserable. Make them produce copious amounts of documents.
Hey, if the Retrumplicans are going to burn down the Constitution for Donnie Shit for Brains, Dems might as well join the fucking party.
These roaches need to be dragged into the light and stomped. The more that is exposed during hearings, the better. The televised hearings are ultimately what brought nixon down, and we need the same thing to happen to donnie and his gang of miscreants.
superpatriotman
(6,257 posts)imanamerican63
(13,855 posts)This way Trump can't back out at the last second!
world wide wally
(21,762 posts)Before Mueller has his "air tight" case completed.
shanny
(6,709 posts)a Future Democratic President is a more "reasonable" fear for the pukes and so a bigger deterrent.
Srkdqltr
(6,421 posts)They are going to do unless or until the are ready. Too much is talked about ahead of time. Gives them time to block.
I pointed out that exact same thing earlier in another thread.
Poor tactics.
RVN VET71
(2,707 posts)Amoral, yes. Cold blooded, yes. Greedy, yes. But not stupid. They know exactly what can of worms our "president" would be opening if he fabricates a national emergency. And they're probably doing their best to prevent him from doing so.
Personally, I hope they fail and he does. But I'm praying that 2020 gives us a Dem President AND Senate so we don't have to counter with "emergencies" of our own.
AZ8theist
(5,554 posts)Traitor McTurtle just said he would support a National Emergency.
Anything to distract from treason with Russia.
RVN VET71
(2,707 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,162 posts)We have no idea who the next president will be - so it is telegraphing what some unnamed/unknown Democratic president will do.
But the thought of giving that much power to a single person should strike terror in Trump's heart - or, at least in the heart of the Republican senators who may be called on to override a presidential veto of a legislative declaration that there is no emergency.
No one. Regardless of party. Should have that much unchecked authority. But if Trump decides to grab it we need the support of Republicans who are scared of what some future Democratic president might do to make the power grab unsuccessful.
She's just making him squirm, and scaring the hell out of the future Senate minority.
reACTIONary
(5,801 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)Go for the gusto.
BigmanPigman
(51,717 posts)getagrip_already
(15,093 posts)other critical issues that aren't being addressed.
BigmanPigman
(51,717 posts)that needs to be dealt with immediately. It was a BS campaign issue turned propaganda to capitalize on the RW racism and hatred.
calimary
(81,645 posts)The climate crisis, Medicare for All, AND more stringent gun controls. An anniversary day like this (the Parkland shooting exactly one year ago) would be a perfect time to do that third one.
Fritz Walter
(4,294 posts)The climate crisis is global. So, drastic situation calls for drastic measures. No argument (except from the fossil fuel lobby, who should go suck on an exhaust pipe). YES
Having recently transitioned from the for-profit health insurance three-card-monte system to Medicare, I wish that everyone had this kind of coverage. And to those who point to the many thousands of health insurance companies' employees who would be suddenly unemployed, I'd suggest they divert their hand-wringing and pearl-clutching to our fellow citizens who are bankrupted by unforeseen medical expenses. Those employees with marketable job skills will do just fine. Life and property insurance policies are not threatened. Yet. YES.
And regarding gun control, recent intel about how Russia has been funneling money through the NRA into the dirty-money coffers of election campaigns will eventually turn the tide against them. But how many more school shootings will it take to wake people the fuck up? FUCK YES: a national emergency is warranted here too.
Traildogbob
(8,943 posts)I do not understand why that means insurance companies will vanish. I am on Medicare but still have to have a secondary insurance. Medicare only convers major medical needs. You STILL need primary coverage and drug plans. Those lesser medical care needs will not bankrupt an insurance company either. Am I missing something. Anything the GOP Corp rats do not like, they start screaming extremes, like no cows and the end of air travel to protect our climate. Where do they get all those strings of pearls to clutch?
ck4829
(35,100 posts)mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)And send them all to Nancy.
She is the fortress keeping us safe today.
God bless Speaker Pelosi.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)the border is a fake crisis
world wide wally
(21,762 posts)SunSeeker
(51,898 posts)rdking647
(5,113 posts)a dem president can
ban the sale and possession of semi auto rifles
lower the medicare age to birth
ban the construction of new fossil fuel plants
as a start
CloudWatcher
(1,852 posts)The man has committed dozens of impeachable offenses in plain sight. We do not have to wait for the Mueller report. The man is a Russian asset and every day he remains in office is an affront to our nation.
Do not wait for the GOP Senate to signal they will convict him. If they want to stand with this insane traitor that will be on their head.
He's a wannabe dictator. How long after declaring an emergency do you think it will be before he starts talking about declaring martial law?
oasis
(49,551 posts)Blue Owl
(50,664 posts)It's about goddamn time someone brought this up! And who better than Nancy???
Sedona
(3,772 posts)Medicare for all!
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I think they are completely deluded.
spin
(17,493 posts)What would that involve.
Would it allow the confiscation of all semiautomatic Assault Weapons or all civilian owned firearms?
DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,934 posts)Seizure of privately held firearms during a state of emergency is specifically barred by 42 USC 5207. The National Emergencies Act does not override that statute.
spin
(17,493 posts)I was concerned that if in the future a president declared gun violence an emergency and tried to confiscate firearms the result would ba dramatic increase in gun violence towards those trying to enforce the order. I also was worried the order could lead to several states seceding from the Union.
KayF
(1,345 posts)There are steps much less drastic than that which have a lot of public support but are blocked by the NRA.
spin
(17,493 posts)I fear attempting to confiscate firearms with a presidential emergency order could create far more problems than it might solve.
rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)BlueJac
(7,838 posts)the country is on our side for sure now... Oh yeah, fuck that 35%. This is our country, put on your war face and stare these GOP traitors down!!
uponit7771
(90,379 posts)unblock
(52,572 posts)We don't want to even appear to be allowing that it's ok for him to grab powers by pretending there's an emergency when there is none!
"Our side could do the same thing" is not a real deterrent. Inside the beltway, that logic works among congresspeople. But it doesn't work with people who cheat and steal elections.
they're at war with us and they already think America is completely lost if a democrat ever wins another election. Pelosi is threatening to do something narrow and specific when they already are imagining a complete disaster if we ever win.
We should denounce the power grab based on an obvious lie as authoritarian and unacceptable, not threaten to similarly misuse the office when and if we ever get our turn!
WheelWalker
(8,960 posts)there's a black hole there.
LuvNewcastle
(16,869 posts)This is escalating the situation. She should have made fun of the the whole thing and said that we'll see him in court. I don't like where this is going.
Takket
(21,753 posts)Doesnt the declaration only allow funds to be diverted to the problem? I dont see how money can solve the gun violence problem.
getagrip_already
(15,093 posts)The emergencies powers act is actually very broad. the potus can actually appoint military officers without any input from congress or the military. General Ivanka could take command of forces. That's an odd example, but its real.
A potus can do a whole lot more than just move money around.
Takket
(21,753 posts)DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,934 posts)The National Emergencies Act specifies about 135 statutes that can be used by the President during a declared emergency. They are broad in the sense that they cover a wide range of areas. They are limited in that only those specified statutes can be used, and in some cases, still require further Congressional action to use. For example, as you said, Trump could appoint military officers, however they can be no higher then a Major General or Rear Admiral. He could also seize land and property that was specified under the Tennessee Valley Authority Act, but only with a Congressional Declaration of War or Emergency.
What he can actually do in relation to the border and the wall is rather limited to some very specific statutes.
Future Presidents could declare emergencies for gun violence or health care, but after a quick look of the cited statutes that are available for use, I do not see much, if any, that would be relevant to either case.
getagrip_already
(15,093 posts)Interesting. Could he set up internment camps like they did in wwii or would that require congress to approve it?
DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,934 posts)Populate them, no. National emergencies grant some extra power to the President, but it doesnt suspend the Constitution or civil liberties.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I don't know what. Maybe ban mags with a lot of ammo in them, ban assault weapons?
liberal N proud
(60,355 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts),he sees that he is going to lose in 2020 ,,,,how he can declare an National Emergency and cancel the National Elections for teh good of teh nation. ,,,,,, mighty fine hair we are splitting,,,,,, and walking on
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I don't know that for a fact, but I doubt it.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)GOP is on the edge of Abyss looking in with Trump tellingn them teh only way to survive this is to cancel the elections
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The American public won't stand for it. Really. That would push things over the edge.
But there is no emergency that would call for it. Elections are not in the jurisdiction of the Executive Branch. Elections are handled by different branches and departments entirely. Elections go on in war time, recessions, depressions. Further, elections (even the Presidential election) is actually handled by the STATES and local districts...not by the federal government.
So there is no basis whatsoever for any President to even think he can reach his hand into the state of Louisiana or Florida or Connecticut or California, and stop the elections run by those states, any more than he can stop the states from requiring its citizens to file state income tax returns or to stop repairing its roads.
getagrip_already
(15,093 posts)At least there is no mechanism in the constitution for it.
The constitution specifically calls out how and when elections will be held, but there is no mention of a legitimate way to postpone or cancel them.
That doesn't mean he couldn't mess with them. Martial law in specific urban areas could have a devastating impact on vote totals, and could tip the election.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)That elections are handled by state and local govts. There is no mechanism for the executive branch to reach its hand into the powers of the states to conduct their elections or do anything else in accordance with their laws.
Hotler
(11,512 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)the states and local govt conduct elections.
But then we shouldn't be surprised by anything Trump has done.
The SCT is not likely to rule that the Presidential election can be canceled by the President. If there's something that Repubs cherish, it's state's rights.
Initech
(100,174 posts)And one I think we should not tread down. At least not yet.
Initech
(100,174 posts)That's what all the violent rhetoric and complete hell they've put us through is leading up to. That would probably be what sets them off.
LuvNewcastle
(16,869 posts)That's what they were stocking up for during the Obama years.
Duppers
(28,137 posts)She will not back down and doesn't give damn what they say and think.
LOVE HER.
C Moon
(12,228 posts)Gun violence is definitely a national emergency, but on the political level, I think the Dems need to take on the health care insurance industry. I wish she would have approached that as the National Emergencybut they are the pros, so I hope beyond hope, that it works.
subana
(586 posts)if you can call anything a nat'l emergency & get away with it, that should really put the fear of god in all republican's hearts & minds!!
Traildogbob
(8,943 posts)The most important fear they have is voting rights. A national emergency to our democracy is, gerrymandering, voter suppression and foreign influence. Take that on and GOP will never win another election, then we can tackle all the issues over 70% of the nation agree with. Take money from inflated pentagon budget for protecting our right to vote at every damn precinct in the nation.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Is no different them lying claiming you won the 2016 Presidential election without Russia's Putin's help now. Allowing an illegitimate president to falsely declare an emergency will only give him the ability to further abuse and undermine the government , and use this if allowed , to continue to many other issues he then can falsely declare a national emergency to hurt this country for putin even more with. The Republicans in Congress will regret this greatly if they do nothing to stop him now. Are they're for putin or the American people and our Constitution, and our rule of law? Trump is illegitimate. He's terrorizing this country and weakening it intentionally. This needs to be stopped , and he needs to go, now.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Gun rights, for what its worth, are expressly protected by the second amendment, and their usage and ownership are governed by a myriad of federal and state laws and Supreme Court decisions.
An emergency doesnt allow a president to just suspend any law he wants. I think most courts would have a very dim view of a politician suspending peoples rights without any kind of due process. What other rights could be suspended by an emergency?
If you took Pelosis expansive view of the Presidential Emergency power, then one could see Trump declaring an emergency and suspending broadcast rights for all news organizations except Fox News.
kcr
(15,333 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,966 posts)Voting rights, food insecurity, living wage, violence against women, lgbtq, dreamers affordable housing, just to name a few. In addition to gun violence!
Firestorm49
(4,044 posts)Paladin
(28,299 posts)ck4829
(35,100 posts)Aussie105
(5,536 posts)People can see clearly now:
1. That a political party without a social conscience or a moral compass can lead a country down the sewer, rather quickly.
2. That a whole bunch of non-voters need to wake up and realize apathy at voting time gets you going down the same sewer.
3. That there is a real difference between real national emergencies and fake ones.
Thanks Don, GOP! You are waking up the Silent Majority real good!
Pelosi is the Reality Check the country has to have. MANA! (Make America Normal Again!)
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