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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 05:41 PM Feb 2019

Va. Gov. Northam's medical school yearbook page shows men in blackface, KKK robe

A photograph on Gov. Ralph Northam (D)’s medical school yearbook page shows a man wearing blackface next to another person in Ku Klux Klan robe.

The image is in a 1984 yearbook from Eastern Virginia Medical School on a page with other photos of Northam and personal information about the future governor.

Northam, a pediatric neurologist, graduated from the Norfolk medical school in 1984 after earlier graduating from Virginia Military Institute.

The page is labeled Ralph Shearer Northam, along with pictures of him in a jacket and tie, casual clothes and alongside his restored Corvette.

It shows two people, one in plaid pants, bow tie and black faced, and the other in full Klan robes. Both men appear to be holding beer cans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/va-gov-northams-medical-school-yearbook-page-shows-men-in-blackface-kkk-robe/2019/02/01/517a43ee-265f-11e9-90cd-dedb0c92dc17_story.html
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Va. Gov. Northam's medical school yearbook page shows men in blackface, KKK robe (Original Post) oberliner Feb 2019 OP
Lt Gov. Justin Fairfax will be the new Governor if Northam steps down. He'll have to, won't he? octoberlib Feb 2019 #1
84? It is 35 years old for God's sake. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #8
That's a very lame excuse. onenote Feb 2019 #12
Honestly I don't give a damn. I doubt it was even considered bad then...thank God we have evolved. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #15
Also, a Republican would never resign over such nonsense...they must laugh themselves silly over Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #19
A Republican literally resigned just a couple weeks ago for this... Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #22
Was that 35 years old? No. Case closed. LBM20 Feb 2019 #48
lol no, no it's not case closed. Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #61
Yes you do. You don't go back in history and judge people based on evolved standards. wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #106
what is the statute of limitations of racism? Takket Feb 2019 #66
My guess is 50 years Polybius Feb 2019 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #60
That was after Katrina and he was a Katrina victim...and it as what 10 years ago. This is a 35 year Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #70
There's no statute of limitations on racism, sorry. Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #72
No I wouldnt. Eko Feb 2019 #82
This is why racism continues to exist... Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #91
15 years and 35 years is quite a difference. Eko Feb 2019 #92
You said 20 years you wouldn't care - what's a measly five years between that? Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #94
Yes it did. Eko Feb 2019 #95
You're not really comparing Obama's stance toward gay marriage to black face, right? Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #101
What?? Eko Feb 2019 #102
Nope. Not at all. Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #116
Give me a break. Eko Feb 2019 #124
Give me a break. Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #125
No where did I dismiss it. Eko Feb 2019 #126
Comparing it to Obama's stance on gay marriage is absolutely dismissing it. Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #130
I happen to think that Eko Feb 2019 #131
Obama never claimed gay people should not marry... Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #132
Well now way to change the goalposts in the same post. Eko Feb 2019 #135
The leaps you'll go to defend racism. Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #136
Where have I defended racism? Eko Feb 2019 #140
Of course I would especially if we had a Democratic legislature who would appoint a Democrat. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #118
I wouldn't go that far Polybius Feb 2019 #121
Robert Byrd's racism was an albatross around his neck for his entire political career. Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #122
This message was self-deleted by its author spooky3 Feb 2019 #84
of course they bdamomma Feb 2019 #115
It was costuming and goofing 35 damn years ago. EVERYONE has done something dumb in life. My god! LBM20 Feb 2019 #41
I am only a little bit younger snpsmom Feb 2019 #68
Good lord, black face is not "costuming". NYC Liberal Feb 2019 #71
Blackface isn't "costuming." EffieBlack Feb 2019 #76
Especially in 1984. sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #129
Uh, no. Not this crass and dumb. eom sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #127
Is this indicative of his current behavior? Bettie Feb 2019 #79
He wasn't even in the picture. Kill the year book editor. wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #105
The down side is that Justin's replacement as Lieutenant Governor will be picked by the legislature onenote Feb 2019 #13
Crap. octoberlib Feb 2019 #16
Northam isn't going to step down over a 35 year old picture...and why would we even consider it if Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #17
None of us know what, if anything, he had to do with it. onenote Feb 2019 #20
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #42
The lieutenant governor would then be appointed by the rightie legislature...very bad idea for Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #67
Eggs-actly. Not to mention the committee vote (Jan 28) in VA House on "abortion" kerfuffle bill, MFGsunny Feb 2019 #128
Would Fairfax be eligible for re-election? Renew Deal Feb 2019 #54
Unclear onenote Feb 2019 #81
Was Northam one of them? No? hmmm... hlthe2b Feb 2019 #2
Yep. octoberlib Feb 2019 #10
Please stop saying "conservative." They are RADICAL RIGHT WINGERS! LBM20 Feb 2019 #28
I didn't say it. It's from the article. octoberlib Feb 2019 #39
Good. The article's author should stop saying it. It is RIGHT WING SHIT! LBM20 Feb 2019 #45
Oh Ober - it's nothing more than a snapshot of race reconciliation! harumph Feb 2019 #3
The blackface picture is on his page so the ? is--was he one of those guys book_worm Feb 2019 #4
If this is real, he better step down. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #5
It was originally published by a right wing blog. I am suspicious, too. octoberlib Feb 2019 #7
That's my initial feeling. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #9
But the legislature (GOP) will chose the replacement for Northam's relacement. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #18
If GOP pick his replacement he CANT step down, to do so would be INSANE Eliot Rosewater Feb 2019 #26
The replacement would be Dem Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax. octoberlib Feb 2019 #40
I don't know how it works. I thought the LT Governor becomes Governor and the Lt Governor would Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #119
Even if Northam, it is costuming 35 years ago. Northam is no racist. No more right wing hit jobs!! LBM20 Feb 2019 #29
Again, why did it take this for long for this to come out? BlueStater Feb 2019 #34
Have you seen his statement? oberliner Feb 2019 #96
It's bad but I'd be surprised if he steps down. He doesn't have to run again underpants Feb 2019 #46
so who was responsible for the page layout and including any photos? nt msongs Feb 2019 #6
Calls for Northam to step down over this. OliverQ Feb 2019 #11
Oh FUCK the right wingers! It was 35 years ago. LBM20 Feb 2019 #31
Did we not do the same thing to Kavenaugh? Those accusations were old. AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #47
It was the lying about it and how he acted in the hearings, not dumb drinking in high school. LBM20 Feb 2019 #56
Actually it was about drinking in high school....did you watch the confirmation AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #64
Yes and high school kids do some dumb things. But the lying and the behavior at the hearing is what LBM20 Feb 2019 #85
Except....there is ZERO proof of impropriety. Your doubt not withstanding. AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #138
What Kavanaugh was accused of was a crime and his response was unacceptable EffieBlack Feb 2019 #59
As you said....Accused of, not charged or convicted of...these pictures are NOT accusations AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #65
Kavanaugh lied. Under oath. About committing a crime EffieBlack Feb 2019 #74
What crime was charged?..I don't recall a Criminal Charging document. Do you? AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #137
Looks like those snowybirdie Feb 2019 #14
Ah Sugarcoated Feb 2019 #38
Please don't compare this to 2016. John Fante Feb 2019 #107
"Racism has no place in Virginia," Jack Wilson, chairman of the Republican Party gratuitous Feb 2019 #21
Jack Wilson's party is FULL OF RACISTS. Fuck him! LBM20 Feb 2019 #32
I question why it took this long for this come out if there was any merit to it. BlueStater Feb 2019 #23
Good question. He's been in public office for 12 years underpants Feb 2019 #24
That's what I want to know. LuvNewcastle Feb 2019 #35
He has said it was him in the photo oberliner Feb 2019 #97
Oh, for Pete's sake maxsolomon Feb 2019 #25
This is over malaise Feb 2019 #27
Bullshit! 35 years ago. C'mon. Don't buy into right wing hitjobs. LBM20 Feb 2019 #36
If that is his photo he'll resign over the weekend malaise Feb 2019 #49
Well....you knew it was coming after the Kav deal. AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #52
Would you say that if it was a Republican's picture? Renew Deal Feb 2019 #55
This is the Democrat who admitted to voting for Bush and Cheney (twice!). We should have known he jalan48 Feb 2019 #30
My U.S. Senator Angus King voted for Bush the first time. He is quite progressive. C'mon. Enough. LBM20 Feb 2019 #37
Bush and Cheney authorized torture. So fuck "enough". jalan48 Feb 2019 #93
And Elizabeth Warren was a Republican until the 1990's. Enough. Please. LBM20 Feb 2019 #86
I want to see the actual book to make sure it was doctored Revanchist Feb 2019 #33
Washington Post verified the picture or else I'd think the same. octoberlib Feb 2019 #43
Northam already said it was him. bearsfootball516 Feb 2019 #77
You know, this *WOULD* be a good time Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #44
Really? EVMS? underpants Feb 2019 #50
Oh yeah, I've got a couple of stories Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #62
Northam's nickname at Virginia Military Institute was "Coonman" octoberlib Feb 2019 #73
No way he can stay now... Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #78
This was 35 years ago and he's had an excellent record ever since EffieBlack Feb 2019 #51
Northam's apology is here: FSogol Feb 2019 #57
Perfect statement. It was 35 years ago. Apologize and move on, that having been SO long ago.' LBM20 Feb 2019 #87
Exactly Owl Feb 2019 #90
Here's his response octoberlib Feb 2019 #58
Not awful, but not good enough. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #75
35 year old picture? Downtown Hound Feb 2019 #53
+1000 and folks here ignore the fact that a Republican legislature would appoint the new Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #69
How many ignore the photo because he is on the home team? Renew Deal Feb 2019 #98
It is not that. We would give the LT governor's seat to a Republican...a picture for 35 years ago Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #117
It's shameful that some people do not see the damage this causes. backabby-blue Feb 2019 #80
Go ahead and call me out Downtown Hound Feb 2019 #83
"Pussy Grabber" can be president, but a dumb costume from 35 years ago is going to sink a governor LBM20 Feb 2019 #89
Yes it was dumb. Yes it was wrong. Totally wrong. But who hasn't done something stupid in his or LBM20 Feb 2019 #88
Would you say that about a republican? Renew Deal Feb 2019 #99
Good Man! walkingman Feb 2019 #63
Do you think he should resign? oberliner Feb 2019 #100
When I was in grade school, the school sold licorice in the shape of a black baby. I even attended wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #103
Did you ever dress in a KKK costume or blackface? oberliner Feb 2019 #104
I suppose you did nothing in your life that if you ran for office Republican opposition research wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #111
Has your opinion changed on this? oberliner Feb 2019 #123
I'm willing to forgive Northam for this. John Fante Feb 2019 #108
Looks like he is digging in and not resigning oberliner Feb 2019 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #110
Looks like "locker room talk". keithbvadu2 Feb 2019 #112
Good job! dpibel Feb 2019 #113
Thanks oberliner Feb 2019 #114
I have questions... Catherine Vincent Feb 2019 #133
Is it normal to look for the medical school yearbook of candidates running for office? oberliner Feb 2019 #134
What's your opinion on that? Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #139

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
1. Lt Gov. Justin Fairfax will be the new Governor if Northam steps down. He'll have to, won't he?
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 05:47 PM
Feb 2019

Justin was elected Lieutenant Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia on November 7, 2017. Justin is only the second African-American in history, and the first in nearly 30 years since the tenure of Governor L. Douglas Wilder, to be elected to statewide office in Virginia. His Inauguration took place on January 13, 2018.

Justin, 39, has been recognized as one of the top young attorneys in the nation and a rising star in American politics. He is a prominent and highly successful lawyer, political figure, philanthropist, and a proud husband, father, and community leader. In 2013, at the age of 34, Justin was awarded the National Bar Association’s “Nation’s Best Advocates Award,” which recognizes 40 top attorneys nationwide under the age of 40. He currently works as a Litigation Partner in the Northern Virginia and Washington D.C. offices of the international law firm Morrison & Foerster LLP.

He previously served as an Assistant United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia in the Major Crimes and Narcotics Unit of the Alexandria Division. During his tenure as a federal prosecutor, he was appointed to serve as the Deputy Coordinator of the Northern Virginia Human Trafficking Task Force. Prior to his service as a federal prosecutor, he worked as a litigator at WilmerHale, LLP in Washington, D.C., following his stint as a federal law clerk to United States District Court Judge Gerald Bruce Lee in the Eastern District of Virginia, Alexandria Division.

Justin received a scholarship to attend Columbia Law School where he was selected to be a member of the Columbia Law Review and earned his Juris Doctorate in 2005. He also received a scholarship to attend Duke University where he graduated in 2000 with a degree in Public Policy Studies and was selected as the class graduation speaker for the Duke University Sanford School of Public Policy.

Fairfax Family
Justin went on to serve a three-year term on the Duke University Board of Trustees and is currently serving his third three-year term on the Board of Visitors of the Duke University Terry Sanford School of Public Policy.

https://www.ltgov.virginia.gov/

onenote

(42,702 posts)
12. That's a very lame excuse.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:18 PM
Feb 2019

He was 25 years old. A medical school graduate. Even in 1984, dressing up in blackface and KKK robes was dubious behavior at best.

I doubt you'd say the same thing if it was a Republican.

And for the record, I live in Virginia, donated to and voted for Ralph.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
15. Honestly I don't give a damn. I doubt it was even considered bad then...thank God we have evolved.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:23 PM
Feb 2019

I wonder who has a motive to discredit Northam? It won't work.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
19. Also, a Republican would never resign over such nonsense...they must laugh themselves silly over
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:31 PM
Feb 2019

our constant falling for their tricks.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
61. lol no, no it's not case closed.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:32 PM
Feb 2019

You don't get to decide the statute of limitations on being racist - whether it was 35 years ago or 15 years ago.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
106. Yes you do. You don't go back in history and judge people based on evolved standards.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:47 PM
Feb 2019

Purist in this thread make me sick. Go away with you pious righteousness.

Polybius

(15,411 posts)
120. My guess is 50 years
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 01:48 PM
Feb 2019

If he were older, and this was from 1969 it probably wouldn't have the same impact as 1984.

Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #22)

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
70. That was after Katrina and he was a Katrina victim...and it as what 10 years ago. This is a 35 year
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:51 PM
Feb 2019

old picture and would result in a Republican Lieutenant governor...it is nuts.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
72. There's no statute of limitations on racism, sorry.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:03 PM
Feb 2019

If this was a Republican governor, you all would be calling for his resignation.

Eko

(7,282 posts)
82. No I wouldnt.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:32 PM
Feb 2019

If it was 20 years ago I wouldn't. If it was 10 years ago then I might especially if there were more evidence that their stance has not changed. The world has changed for the better, that doesn't mean we have to go back and punish people for mistakes they made when they were young and the world was different.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
91. This is why racism continues to exist...
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:55 PM
Feb 2019

Because we excuse acts like this as 'just being young'. The same thing will happen to those MAGA kids.

I don't recall ever wearing black face and being photographed next to a KKK costume when I was young. But curious I find no posts from you defending Michael Ertel, who resigned last week, for something that happened 15 years ago...

Eko

(7,282 posts)
92. 15 years and 35 years is quite a difference.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:57 PM
Feb 2019

Pretty sure I also said the world was different then also, but you wanted to focus on one thing and then blame me for why racism continues to exist. Give me a break.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
94. You said 20 years you wouldn't care - what's a measly five years between that?
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:00 PM
Feb 2019

Did the world really change THAT much between 2000 and 2005?

No.

Eko

(7,282 posts)
95. Yes it did.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:02 PM
Feb 2019

Without a doubt. Did you ever call for President Obama to resign for his early views on same sex marriage?

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
101. You're not really comparing Obama's stance toward gay marriage to black face, right?
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:23 PM
Feb 2019

How offensive.

Eko

(7,282 posts)
102. What??
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:31 PM
Feb 2019

Yeah, i am. I cant believe you don't think that is just as important if not more. I mean, one is pretty bad, black face is just straight wrong but believing that people that love each other should be denied the same rights as others is really bad. Your lover is dying,, too bad you cant see them as you aren't family. Are you really saying they are not at least equal?

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
116. Nope. Not at all.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:38 PM
Feb 2019

Obama never supported any law that came out that would block gay marriage. He never said states shouldn't have the right to allowing for gay marriage. In 2008, when California was voting to block gay marriage, Obama came out against the measure. Equating that to black face, suggesting it's worse, is horrendous, racist, bigoted and shameful. Frankly, the fact you are so adamant about defending someone who wore black face, so actively got his photo taken standing next to a person in a KKK costume, tells me exactly what you think about racism in America. In fact, the fact you're so dismissing of this and are willing to put a fucking statute of limitations on someone's racism makes me wonder exactly what your feelings toward racism were twenty years ago.

They're nowhere near being equal. It's shameful that you'd even equate the two. But I'm sure in your warped mind, you probably don't find black face all that offensive anyway.

Eko

(7,282 posts)
124. Give me a break.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 07:18 PM
Feb 2019

I never defended him for wearing black face at all. Lets get that straight. In fact multiple times I have said how bad I think it is as in this " black face is just straight wrong ". "But I'm sure in your warped mind, you probably don't find black face all that offensive anyway. " What? Dude, you should apologize for that. At no point anywhere did I say it was ok, at no point anywhere on my long time on here have I ever done anything other than fight racism, bigotry, and sexism. I have said that what he did was racist, I never argued against that at all. My entire point is that we shouldn't judge someone for a isolated indecent that happened so long ago while someone was young and stupid while they have done so much good since then.The fact that you are insinuating that I am racist and have a warped mind is unbelievable and extremely insulting. I supported Joy Reid for the exact same reason that people make mistakes when they are young and and evolve into good people afterwards.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
125. Give me a break.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 07:42 PM
Feb 2019

Your dismissal of wearing black face by comparing it to Obama's personal objection to gay marriage in 2008 is offensive. It trivializes the racism by equating it to something not even remotely similar. I'm appalled you even thought that would be an acceptable defense.

Disgusting.

Eko

(7,282 posts)
131. I happen to think that
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 08:46 PM
Feb 2019

Someone running for office and they say gay people should not be able to get married because of their religion and someone wearing blackface are both pretty offensive. Apparently you don't think so and that is your opinion. Its interesting how easily you dismiss one as not offensive and it says a lot about you.
Thanks.
Eko.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
132. Obama never claimed gay people should not marry...
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 10:12 PM
Feb 2019

So, not only are you dismissing racism you're also a liar. Can you provide one quote where Obama said he wanted to ban gay marriage?

Eko

(7,282 posts)
135. Well now way to change the goalposts in the same post.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 11:32 PM
Feb 2019

From this "Obama never claimed gay people should not marry.." to this "Can you provide one quote where Obama said he wanted to ban gay marriage? ".
I never claimed that he wanted to ban gay marriage, ever. Only that "Someone running for office and they say gay people should not be able to get married because of their religion,,, is pretty offensive ".
As to where he said that?


On edit, you called me a liar! Will you now take that back and apologize?
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
136. The leaps you'll go to defend racism.
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 02:02 PM
Feb 2019

This is funny to me. So, you admit Obama never supported any type of ban or practice that would stop gay people from marrying and yet that's the exact same as wearing black face? Appalling. Tells me all I need to know about you.

To dismiss the racial history of Jim Crow-like character by equating it to Obama's stance on gay marriage, despite the fact he never advocated in any way for gays to not marry, is insulting to the racial injustice and history of black Americans. Shameful.

I'm done with this conversation. I'd hate to see what matter you dismiss next by stupidly comparing it to Obama - maybe the holocaust?

Eko

(7,282 posts)
140. Where have I defended racism?
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 06:09 PM
Feb 2019

I never said Obama supported any type of ban, all I said was "Did you ever call for President Obama to resign for his early views on same sex marriage?".
The fact that you keep strawmanning me is all I need to know. Im done with conversation also.
Good day.
Eko.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
118. Of course I would especially if we had a Democratic legislature who would appoint a Democrat.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 01:17 PM
Feb 2019

And that is what this is all about...the GOP gains a Republican Lt. Governor. Why would we do this...as for racism...I see no evidence that Northam is a racist now so let's be smart about this.

Polybius

(15,411 posts)
121. I wouldn't go that far
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 01:51 PM
Feb 2019

We forgave some really past racists before. George Wallace was disgusting in the 50's and 60's. By the mid to late 70's, he actually won with African American support.

Robert Byrd in the 40's wasn't a good guy either, to say the least.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
122. Robert Byrd's racism was an albatross around his neck for his entire political career.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 07:01 PM
Feb 2019

Truthfully, Byrd would have never been elected in today's environment - or supported by the party.

But the fact he was already an established senator in a time actually being a bigot was acceptable in politics, there was no reveal. It may seem hypocritical but it is what it is. Hell, in today's environment I doubt Bill Clinton would ever win the Democratic nomination. Look at what happened with John Edwards. Was Clinton's actions THAT much more acceptable?

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #70)

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
41. It was costuming and goofing 35 damn years ago. EVERYONE has done something dumb in life. My god!
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:06 PM
Feb 2019

snpsmom

(678 posts)
68. I am only a little bit younger
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:48 PM
Feb 2019

Than Northam, and I have never even considered dressing in a KKK hood or doing black face.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
71. Good lord, black face is not "costuming".
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:02 PM
Feb 2019

And no, not everyone has dressed in blackface and Klan robes.

sprinkleeninow

(20,246 posts)
129. Especially in 1984.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 08:05 PM
Feb 2019

Why did he issue an 'apology' and is now walking it back. 🤔 😏

He shoulda stuck with neither of those depicted is me.

Mb the other dude came forward and confirmed the photo.

I don't feel he is able to govern effectively after this.

Back in 1984 for God's sake.....

To the Lt. Gov.:-
"Step right up, Sir!" 😍

Bettie

(16,105 posts)
79. Is this indicative of his current behavior?
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:26 PM
Feb 2019

Or has he changed significantly since then?

35 years is a long time and if he has become a better person and is a good governor, then why should he have to resign?

Heck, I'd hate to be judged today on things I said and did in 1984 (which is when I graduated high school). I wasn't who I am today by a long shot.

Or am I really the only person here who wasn't born perfect?

onenote

(42,702 posts)
13. The down side is that Justin's replacement as Lieutenant Governor will be picked by the legislature
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:20 PM
Feb 2019

and the legislature is controlled by Republicans (albeit by a small margin).

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
17. Northam isn't going to step down over a 35 year old picture...and why would we even consider it if
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:25 PM
Feb 2019

ended up with a GOP type. Does it occur to you unless he was the editor he had nothing to do with it.

onenote

(42,702 posts)
20. None of us know what, if anything, he had to do with it.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:34 PM
Feb 2019

My statements reflect what is likely to happen if it turns out he was responsible for the photo being published.

And if he was, my bet is that he will step down, and quickly.

It won't result in a "GOP type" becoming governor. We'll still have a very good Democratic governor (current lieutenant governor Justin Fairfax) and a very good Democratic Attorney General, Mark Herring.

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #17)

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
67. The lieutenant governor would then be appointed by the rightie legislature...very bad idea for
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:48 PM
Feb 2019

a 35 year old picture. We don't need to give a Republican a job for a stupid picture that is 35 years old.

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
128. Eggs-actly. Not to mention the committee vote (Jan 28) in VA House on "abortion" kerfuffle bill,
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 08:00 PM
Feb 2019

especially when Northam gave a clear pro-choice position in his comments about that bill.

onenote

(42,702 posts)
81. Unclear
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:30 PM
Feb 2019

At least as far as I can tell, having quickly reviewed the state constitution and code provisions relating to filling a vacancy in the Governor's office.

It would create a rather large loophole in the "one term' only limitation on Virginia governors if a governor could resign a year into his/her term and be replaced by the Lt. Governor who could then run for re-election as an incumbent.

But it also would be absurd if a Governor resigned or died a month before the end of his/her term and in so doing disqualified the Lt Gov (assuming the Lt. Gov. didn't also resign to avoid becoming Governor).

Basically, it appears to be a mess.

hlthe2b

(102,265 posts)
2. Was Northam one of them? No? hmmm...
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 05:48 PM
Feb 2019

From the article:

The web site Big League Politics first posted the picture Friday afternoon.Big League Politics is a conservative website founded by Patrick Howley, a former writer for the Daily Caller and Breitbart. It is owned by Mustard Seed Media, an outfit headed by Reilly O’Neal, a political operative whose clients included former Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
10. Yep.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:01 PM
Feb 2019

Conservative news outlet Big League Politics first posted the photo at around 2:15 p.m. Friday with the headline “YEARBOOK: Ralph Northam In Blackface & KKK Photo”.

About an hour later, the Virginia GOP caucus Twitter page tweeted, “@governorva needs to explain this immediately.”

https://pilotonline.com/news/government/politics/virginia/article_67fdd682-2662-11e9-a7d1-c7ed70e09b50.html

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
4. The blackface picture is on his page so the ? is--was he one of those guys
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 05:50 PM
Feb 2019

in black face or the robe? I'm just surprised that this didn't come out during the campaign? I'll take a wait and see attitude to see what the Governor's response is.

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
5. If this is real, he better step down.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 05:53 PM
Feb 2019

I voted for him in the primary and the general election happly. Wouldn't have voted for him in the primary if this is real.

Do have to wonder why it's coming out now. Especially after the dust up about the abortion bill.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
7. It was originally published by a right wing blog. I am suspicious, too.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 05:57 PM
Feb 2019

They're trying to bring him down because of the abortion stuff . If he steps down there's another good Dem to replace him.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
18. But the legislature (GOP) will chose the replacement for Northam's relacement.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:26 PM
Feb 2019

Stop falling for the GOP nonsense. It was 35 years ago...so not worth getting another GOP.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
26. If GOP pick his replacement he CANT step down, to do so would be INSANE
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:53 PM
Feb 2019

Plus, wasnt this reported here in DU several times before this OP reported it?

This way the story is ALL OVER the site and maybe that is the point.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
119. I don't know how it works. I thought the LT Governor becomes Governor and the Lt Governor would
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 01:20 PM
Feb 2019

be replaced by the Rethugs...why anyone on our side think this is a good idea is beyond me.

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
29. Even if Northam, it is costuming 35 years ago. Northam is no racist. No more right wing hit jobs!!
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:58 PM
Feb 2019

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
34. Again, why did it take this for long for this to come out?
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:01 PM
Feb 2019

NONE of his opponents thought to look through his yearbook for something to use against him until NOW? Not when he was running for governor?

underpants

(182,802 posts)
46. It's bad but I'd be surprised if he steps down. He doesn't have to run again
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:10 PM
Feb 2019

No consecutive terms here in Va.

I think he comes out and apologizes and says it was stupid - which it was.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
47. Did we not do the same thing to Kavenaugh? Those accusations were old.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:10 PM
Feb 2019

What are the cut off dates for horrible behavior...accusations or actual behavior?
What time frame do we end responsibility?

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
85. Yes and high school kids do some dumb things. But the lying and the behavior at the hearing is what
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:38 PM
Feb 2019

should have sunk him. At least some of the high school age sexual impropriety surely happened. I have little doubt. But it was also sketchy and disputable stuff from decades ago. Notwithstanding, the CURRENT behavior of lying and acting like a total child in that hearing should have sunk him.

If Northam did something dumb 35 years ago, that was then and this is now. EVERYONE has done something stupid in his or her past. You too, no doubt. We have ALL said and done some dumb things when we were much younger, and for those us who are decades old, also in very different times.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
138. Except....there is ZERO proof of impropriety. Your doubt not withstanding.
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 02:59 PM
Feb 2019

I've done/said nothing racist...ever in my 5 decades...

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
59. What Kavanaugh was accused of was a crime and his response was unacceptable
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:26 PM
Feb 2019

This is bad, but it's not the same.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
65. As you said....Accused of, not charged or convicted of...these pictures are NOT accusations
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:44 PM
Feb 2019

He admitted it

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
137. What crime was charged?..I don't recall a Criminal Charging document. Do you?
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 02:53 PM
Feb 2019

You may see an accusation as a crime...thank God we have a justice system where an unproven accusation dosen't land you in jail most of the time

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
21. "Racism has no place in Virginia," Jack Wilson, chairman of the Republican Party
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:37 PM
Feb 2019

Not sure I'm ready to listen to a lecture on racism from a political party that insists on observing Lee-Jackson Day.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
23. I question why it took this long for this come out if there was any merit to it.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:47 PM
Feb 2019

Did Ed Gillespie's campaign do a totally half-ass job on their opposition research?

underpants

(182,802 posts)
24. Good question. He's been in public office for 12 years
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:49 PM
Feb 2019

Gillespie did run a completely half assed campaign.

LuvNewcastle

(16,845 posts)
35. That's what I want to know.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:01 PM
Feb 2019

If I was running a campaign, I would find everything out about the opponent(s). I'd have pictures of their colon cancer screening. How could this have been overlooked after all this time? It just doesn't add up.

maxsolomon

(33,342 posts)
25. Oh, for Pete's sake
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:50 PM
Feb 2019

if you have ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE THIS in your past, DON'T RUN FOR OFFICE.

I thought I had skeletons!

malaise

(268,993 posts)
49. If that is his photo he'll resign over the weekend
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:11 PM
Feb 2019

Virginia had an African-American governor in the 1980s. If this is his photo, he is history.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
52. Well....you knew it was coming after the Kav deal.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:13 PM
Feb 2019

When is the cut off time for piss poor behavior?

jalan48

(13,864 posts)
30. This is the Democrat who admitted to voting for Bush and Cheney (twice!). We should have known he
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 06:58 PM
Feb 2019

was problematic .

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
37. My U.S. Senator Angus King voted for Bush the first time. He is quite progressive. C'mon. Enough.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:02 PM
Feb 2019

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
33. I want to see the actual book to make sure it was doctored
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:00 PM
Feb 2019

If the info is from a right wing source I wouldn't put it past them

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
44. You know, this *WOULD* be a good time
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:08 PM
Feb 2019

for some eager reporter to start digging into the racist legacy of EVMS, which is something I've been wanting to read for years...

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
73. Northam's nickname at Virginia Military Institute was "Coonman"
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:14 PM
Feb 2019

To add to the shock, a page from Northam's yearbook at the Virginia Military Institute listed one of his nicknames as "Coonman," a racial slur. Story from @Grace_Segers https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ralph-northams-yearbook-page-shows-man-in-kkk-costume-and-another-apparently-in-blackface/
https://archive.org/details/bomb1981virg/page/90

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
78. No way he can stay now...
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:24 PM
Feb 2019

Even Maduro is watching CNN International saying "Holy fuck that dude's in serious trouble!"

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
51. This was 35 years ago and he's had an excellent record ever since
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:12 PM
Feb 2019

So I will reserve judgement on this until I hear his response. If he shows sincere contrition, offers a real apology, this can be not a big deal since people screw up but grow and change. But if he gives some half-assed "I didn't mean it the way it looks but I'm sorry if anyone was offended" or, God forbid, goes into Kavanaugh territory on us, that would be an entirely different sichyashon.

That said, I do find the timing on this to be very odd and wonder why this never came up before.

And, Boo - I must say it's nice to see you finally found some apparently racist behavior that you're not "whatabouting" or demanding we need more information to find suspicious. Could it be I'm finally starting to rub off on you? Or is there something different about this particular matter?

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
87. Perfect statement. It was 35 years ago. Apologize and move on, that having been SO long ago.'
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:44 PM
Feb 2019
 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
75. Not awful, but not good enough.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:19 PM
Feb 2019

He has a narrowing window of opportunity to address this satisfactorily. If he doesn't, he'll need to go.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
53. 35 year old picture?
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:13 PM
Feb 2019

Sorry. It was a stupid thing to do but I'm done sacrificing our people over old stuff like this when the right continues to support people like Trump and King.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
69. +1000 and folks here ignore the fact that a Republican legislature would appoint the new
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 07:50 PM
Feb 2019

lieutenant governor. This is madness.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
117. It is not that. We would give the LT governor's seat to a Republican...a picture for 35 years ago
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 01:14 PM
Feb 2019

does not warrant such a thing. They ran a neo-confederate for the governor's race so let's not dance to their tune.

 

backabby-blue

(144 posts)
80. It's shameful that some people do not see the damage this causes.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:27 PM
Feb 2019

I was around 35 years ago. This was NOT ok. He needs to step down. We can not for any reason allow this to stay. People need to see the seriousness of this or be called out.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
83. Go ahead and call me out
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:35 PM
Feb 2019

We're in a battle for our very survival and already sacrificed too many good people like Al Franken. Enough. It was 35 years ago. People change.

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
89. "Pussy Grabber" can be president, but a dumb costume from 35 years ago is going to sink a governor
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:49 PM
Feb 2019

who is in no way racist and who is a good man? My goodness. Where are we?

PS: Former Senator Robert Byrd was a good Democrat but who was in the KKK many years prior to being in the Senate. People change. People deserve forgiveness. We have ALL done some dumb things in life.

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
88. Yes it was dumb. Yes it was wrong. Totally wrong. But who hasn't done something stupid in his or
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:47 PM
Feb 2019

her past? Who? Let those without sin cast the first stone. He is NOT a racist. This dumb moment from 35 years ago should not define the man's entire life. My goodness.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
103. When I was in grade school, the school sold licorice in the shape of a black baby. I even attended
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:39 PM
Feb 2019

a showing of "Song of the South" with a tar baby. I ate at Sambo's.

I should resign from everything.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
104. Did you ever dress in a KKK costume or blackface?
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:41 PM
Feb 2019

If so, did you include a photo of you doing that in your graduate school yearbook?

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
111. I suppose you did nothing in your life that if you ran for office Republican opposition research
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:13 PM
Feb 2019

could find to hurt you with?


We are eating our own. I am sick of it!

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
108. I'm willing to forgive Northam for this.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 09:56 PM
Feb 2019

But there's no way he can credibly govern the state of Virginia now. He needs to step down.

Response to oberliner (Original post)

dpibel

(2,831 posts)
113. Good job!
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 10:19 PM
Feb 2019

You were, as is so often the case with similar items, first out of the box with this story.

Your diligence is amazing!

Catherine Vincent

(34,489 posts)
133. I have questions...
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 10:22 PM
Feb 2019

This guy has been in politics for a while, am I right? All those time he ran for office, how come his opponents had never found this photo before? That should have been easy to dig up.

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